RE: [ZION] Lies about Iraqi museum just tip of iceberg

2003-06-17 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 10:32 PM 6/16/2003, Jim wrote:

Steven,

I suppose the problem is not newspapers, but those who read them.

If the vast majority of people were not prepared to believe at first
glance everything fed to them by the news media, journalists with an
agenda would be wholly frustrated in their attempts to lead public
opinion.
How many saw the news reports about looting in Iraq, and immediately
believed the stories?  Why are we so gullible and naive?
Same reason that Utah is the fraud capital of the United States?



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nation.  We owe our very existence as a people in great part to classical 
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RE: [ZION] Lies about Iraqi museum just tip of iceberg

2003-06-16 Thread Jim Cobabe

Steven,

I suppose the problem is not newspapers, but those who read them.

If the vast majority of people were not prepared to believe at first 
glance everything fed to them by the news media, journalists with an 
agenda would be wholly frustrated in their attempts to lead public 
opinion.

How many saw the news reports about looting in Iraq, and immediately 
believed the stories?  Why are we so gullible and naive?

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Re: [ZION] Lies about Iraqi museum just tip of iceberg

2003-06-15 Thread Steven Montgomery



 It took only 48 hours for the museum to be destroyed, with at least
170,000 artifacts carried away by looters.
  — New York Times, April 13
You'd have to go back centuries, to the Mongol invasion of Baghdad in
1258, to find looting on this scale.
  — British archaeologist Eleanor Robson, New York Times, April 16
  WASHINGTON — Well, not really. Turns out the Iraqi National Museum
lost not 170,000 treasures but 33. Baghdad Bob was more accurate.
The New York Times has had a credibility problem for years. This particular 
news item is only the tip of the iceberg. Walter Duranty was one of the 
worst lie-mongers at the Times. Right now there is a real effort by several 
Ukrainian-American groups to revoke his Pulitzer prize for lying about 
Stalin's man-made famine (claiming there wasn't one when he clearly from 
the evidence knew there was), in the Ukraine which killed at least 10 
million Kulaks. Other errors made by the Times was that Fidel Castro was 
the George Washington of Cuba and not a communist, and that Mao was merely 
an agrarian reformer and not the committed Marxist-Leninist that he was.



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Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper . . The real 
extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in a 
situation to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the 
day. I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow 
citizens, who reading newspapers, live and die in the belief, that they 
have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time . 
. . General facts may indeed be collected from them, such as that Europe is 
now at war . . . but no details can be relied on. (Thomas Jefferson, Letter 
to John Norvell, June 11, 1807)

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