RE: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-18 Thread Jim Cobabe
The gathering at the city council meeting last night was a zoo. I got there about 6:00. The public comment session was supposed to begin at 7:00, but the crowd had already filled up two overflow rooms and was winding down the corridors, and there were already many hundreds of people

RE: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-18 Thread Jim Cobabe
Day of Heckling on Plaza Thrusts Issues to Forefront The scene earlier today on the Main Street plaza included street preachers carrying placards and screaming their beliefs, sometimes through bullhorns. December 17, 2002 KSL News Specialist Carole Mikita reporting Salt Lake City Council

Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Many thanks for the first-hand account. The story of what happened on the easement, as reported on KSL is making the rounds of the Internet. Odd (well, maybe not) that it takes idiots like Kurt Van Gordon to p*** in their own manger, as my uncle used to say . KVG was the instigator behind most of

RE: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-17 Thread Chet
John W. Redelfs wrote: Where are you Orrin Porter Rockwell, now that we need you? --JWR There's a one-panel cartoon which sums up my weaknesses. A fellow is saying I thought - what would Jesus do? And I tried to forgive him. Then I thought - what would Porter Rockwell do? And I punched

RE: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-17 Thread Chet
Stacy Smith wrote: Can I call from out of state? I did. The human answering the line after you press 2 (they were getting more calls than their computer could handle, I guess) did ask me if I was calling from out of state - and from where. *jeep! --Chet Start by doing what's necessary,

Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
, December 16, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal Jim Cobabe (the REAL babe) wrote: My cynical bent detects that Mayor Rocky felt the tide of public opinion turning against him in his legalistic maneuvering, and felt that it was time to do some lawyerly wheeling

Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
Marc A. Schindler favored us with: There's one particular troublemaker named Kurt Van Gorden who will likely try to get himself arrested, and have the ACLU back his legal defence (he tends to work this way -- he sues everyone, into bankruptcy, if he can, but has no assets to speak of himself).

Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
George Cobabe favored us with: It ends up costing the Church again for that which they/we already paid for. I hope that the good citizens of Salt Lake see the hypocrisy in the Mayors action - but I do not hold out hope. Thanks to public education and television most people will believe

Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread Stacy Smith
Message - From: Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal Jim Cobabe (the REAL babe) wrote: My cynical bent detects that Mayor Rocky felt the tide of public opinion turning against him in his