RE: [ZION] The September Six Today
Jon Spencer: [on Gileadi] My understanding of Isaiah expanded tremendously when I read his first book ... Isn't it interesting that it was he and he alone who humbled himself. ___ It is my understanding that, though part of his writing was considered controversial by some, there were other issues involved in his departure from the Church which he resolved, resulting in his return. His link to the "September Six" may well be tenuous. I do not mention this to start a discussion about him, because he is not on this list and I do no plan to talk about it. I would simply like to echo your comment about the difference between his experience and the experience of the others, which was quite noticeable in the article John quoted. There is much to say for listening to our priesthood leaders and being humble, no matter what the circumstances. Larry Jackson The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The September Six Today
At 07:08 AM 8/20/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: At 07:44 PM 8/19/2003, Jon wrote: What I find interesting is that of those whose works I have read, I found only Gileadi to be inspired, long before I knew that he had been ex'ed. My understanding of Isaiah expanded tremendously when I read his first book (well, the first one of his that I read). The others left me cold. Isn't it interesting that it was he and he alone who humbled himself. Jon Avraham Gileadi's best and most inspired book, in my opinion, was, _The Book of Isaiah: A New Translation with Interpretative Keys from the Book of Mormon_. But more specifically, the 93 page introduction where one is introduced to the various interpretative keys. Whatever Gileadi's past mistakes might have been, I too am impressed by his humility. I, too, have the utmost respect for Brother Gileadi's insights into such an important work as Isaiah. I refuse to go the route of speculating. By his works I will know him. The others that were talked about gave me feelings of having pushed my hand into a warm bucket of 3 month old milk. ELF // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The September Six Today
At 07:44 PM 8/19/2003, Jon wrote: What I find interesting is that of those whose works I have read, I found only Gileadi to be inspired, long before I knew that he had been ex'ed. My understanding of Isaiah expanded tremendously when I read his first book (well, the first one of his that I read). The others left me cold. Isn't it interesting that it was he and he alone who humbled himself. Jon Avraham Gileadi's best and most inspired book, in my opinion, was, _The Book of Isaiah: A New Translation with Interpretative Keys from the Book of Mormon_. But more specifically, the 93 page introduction where one is introduced to the various interpretative keys. Whatever Gileadi's past mistakes might have been, I too am impressed by his humility. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ". . . in the future the opposition from Satan will be both more subtle and more open. While in some ways it may be more blatant, it will be masked with greater sophistication and cunning. We will need greater spirituality to perceive all the forms of evil and greater strength to resist it." (President James E. Faust, CR, April 2003) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The September Six Today
John - This was a very interesting article. It is certainly true that there are fallible men in our Church, and at all levels. I have my own stories of the actions of these men. However, this article was written as if all that was said is the truth. When I am irked at someone in the Church, I always ask myself the question "Which commandment is it that I am having a problem keeping?" I always find it, and peace follows. When others I know have left the Church (a very small number), I ask the same question. I usually know the answer. These people in general have a problem with their egos. They generally have a problem submitting for reasons they don't understand, when they should know that they will come to understand them. Those who have been to the temple have covenanted to keep the law of consecration. There is much more to this than just worldly goods, in my opinion. But I guess that is fodder for a different thread. What I find interesting is that of those whose works I have read, I found only Gileadi to be inspired, long before I knew that he had been ex'ed. My understanding of Isaiah expanded tremendously when I read his first book (well, the first one of his that I read). The others left me cold. Isn't it interesting that it was he and he alone who humbled himself. Jon - Original Message - From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:34 PM Subject: [ZION] The September Six Today > Read this today, and thought there might be some here who are interested in > this news story by Peggy Fletcher Stack from the Sunstone Symposium. > > --- > Exiles in Zion > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The September Six Today
I recall my father teaching me that those who turn from the church will sow seeds of confusion. I have a few comments . . . 1) I can't say this read was enlightening, but it was interesting. I feel pity for these folks. Look how many different places some have looked to try and find peace. This is what they are looking for--they just don't know it. They may be very surprised when Christ comes again, except perhaps Quinn. He wants a star. 2) The people of the church are NOT perfect--we are, after all, human. The church, however IS perfect. It is Christ's church. These people are so confused they cannot seem to distinguish betwixt the two. 3) Whiteside's comment "The absence of the feminine not only makes a home lonely," she said. "It's damaging to everybody in the house." was especially interesting to me. I have always believed that as the woman, it was my job to make my home warm and inviting. It is my calling in life, as a woman, to make my home "soft and comfortable" and yet, she blames the church because her's was not?? How warped is that?? 4) When all is said and done, I hear the words, "I will teach these people the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture" and I am grateful for my simple testimony of the church, the gospel, Jesus Christ and the prophets who have led and continue to lead us. I've always been blessed, not with the "burning", but with a sure knowledge whenever I ask. I used to think there was something wrong with me because I didn't feel that, until I realized I didn't need it. I knew. end of my tidbits val .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The September Six Today
Something that interests me is the common perception of these malcontents that their disaffection from the church is a punishment. The doctrine of the church regarding disfellowshipment and excommunication is that these actions represent the church's protection against apostasy, and the individual's opportunity to start on the road to repentance. While I suspect the first cause is well served, it seems that except for Brother Gileadi, they lacked the right attitude to approach repentance. There is probably an element of hypocrisy in any observations we might make on this matter. I hope I never have to face the decision between loyalty to an intellectual cause and loyalty to my faith in Heaven Father. May we prosper together and ever try to lift each other up. --- Jim Cobabe // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The September Six Today
Ick. I mean - really - ICK! Guess we should be glad they've found acceptance somewhere -- I wouldn't think it would be easy for someone who betrays their spouse and abandons their family to find acceptance. (Oh wait! That's if a HUSBAND betrays their WIFE and abandons their family. I forgot how this works.) Gosh, I should just shut my mouth now. After all, I'm so oppressed by a dictatorial church which robs me of my agency at every step and doesn't even permit me to disagree with church leaders or (snicker!) make fun of them. I'll just go sit in my corner now. *jeep! ~~Chet "If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong." Gus Segar via Popeye PS: Have I ever expressed my admiration for the courage and humility it took Avraham Gilligansisland for successfully going through repentance and pleasing the Lord? // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
