Re: [ZION] War with Saddam

2002-10-15 Thread John W. Redelfs

After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
As Latter-day Saints, we need to continue to support individual members 
of the
armed forces (of all the countries where we live) and their families. 
However, we
should also make our voices heard loudly and clearly: war is madness, and we
repudiate Babylon.   (Is there such a thing as a 'moral war', Dialogue, 
24/4,
Winter 1991: 160.)

And without meaning to be prideful or boastful, I do think that sounds an 
awful
lot like what Elder Nelson just taught us in General Conference.

This is exactly what I heard him say.  But then maybe I'm reading my own 
prejudices into it.  Then again, perhaps others are reading their own 
prejudices into it.  scratching head  --JWR

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Re: [ZION] War With Saddam

2002-10-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler

I trust everyone's heard about the terrible tragedy in Bali. A car bomb exploded
outside a nightclub favoured mostly by Australian tourists, although some Swedes,
Germans and Canadians have also been identified amongst the 139 killed and 174
injured so far (only a few victims have been identified at this point). Australia has
called it a national tragedy.

Just so you know that it's not the U.S. per se that's under attack here -- it's the
western world, and it's not a single nation-state that is attacking us. It's a
movement, not a country.

--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland

The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling
short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark.
--Michelangelo Buonarroti

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Re: [ZION] War With Saddam

2002-10-13 Thread Marc A. Schindler

Update as of 14:00 Sunday 13/10/02: 180 dead, over 300 injured. It's been blamed on
Islamic terrorists based on Java and is the largest terrorist attack in Indonesia's
history. The organization being blamed is called Jamal al-Islamiyya and the Australian
government believes it has links to al-Qaeda (al-Qaeda isn't a single organization
anyway, but more of a kind of movement; it's just the Arabic word for the base as in
the base of operations).

Marc A. Schindler wrote:

 I trust everyone's heard about the terrible tragedy in Bali. A car bomb exploded
 outside a nightclub favoured mostly by Australian tourists, although some Swedes,
 Germans and Canadians have also been identified amongst the 139 killed and 174
 injured so far (only a few victims have been identified at this point). Australia has
 called it a national tragedy.

 Just so you know that it's not the U.S. per se that's under attack here -- it's the
 western world, and it's not a single nation-state that is attacking us. It's a
 movement, not a country.

 --
 Marc A. Schindler
 Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland

 The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling
 short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark.
 --Michelangelo Buonarroti

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--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland

The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling
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--Michelangelo Buonarroti

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RE: [ZION] War With Saddam

2002-10-13 Thread larry . jackson

Marc Schindler:

It's been blamed on Islamic terrorists based on Java ...

___

And that gets right to the heart of the issue.  When it 
becomes personal, my interest really climbs.

And Java is a personal issue for me -- I have had more 
trouble with Java viruses in the past two weeks than I have 
had trouble with viruses in my entire experience with 
computers.  If the terrorists are now using Java, I may 
never survive this war.

Oddly and sadly enough, this may even turn out to be a 
true problem, rather than just the humor it is intended to 
be at present.

Larry Jackson
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