Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: Do we wait until Islam engulfs the nations and becomes a giant threat,before we encourage it to stand down and live peacefully among the nations of the world? John: Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become a giant threat that engulfs the nations? That seems rather unlikely to me regardless of we do or don't do. Dan: IIRC, there is a cleric in England that has declared his intention of making that country Islamic using whatever means necessary. Whether or not he succeeds is one thing, but part of my recollection is that he also spoke out justifying the 9/11 attacks. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam
At 23:18 11/8/2002 -0800, Stacey wrote: Where do the Mexicans align themselves? Certainly not at a border crossing! Till the ever-watchful / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
At 17:42 11/9/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote: Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Munther Unes. A very fine gentleman if ever I have met one. Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] War against all of Islam
I know an entire family that would fit that description. Their 8-year-old daughter is in my daughter's class at school. We became friends when both girls were in kindergarten together. Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 17:42 11/9/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote: Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Munther Unes. A very fine gentleman if ever I have met one. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the Temple Mount. Paul Osborne wrote: JWR asked: Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become a giant threat that engulfs the nations? That seems rather unlikely to me regardless of we do or don't do. You better believe it. The Islamic fundies are the ones that are going to bring to pass Armageddon as the rest of the world charges into the great final battle. Those Muslims are going to attack the Jews and the Jews will have no choice but to launch all of their nuclear weapons. The whole thing can be laid squarely on the shoulders of the Muslims. They are going to be the cause of WWIII. IMO, of course. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam
I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's ironic that you're showing this particular kind of ignorance on the topic -- it was precisely because the Saudis allowed foreign, non-Moslem soldiers on its soil that set bin Laden off. You started off politically, first with the Saudis, to get permission to move some of the things that couldn't be airlifted in (like most of the tanks your army uses). Light infantry were only brought in when the infrastructure was in place. And Canadian, Australian and British ships can't sail any faster than their U.S. counterparts -- they headed for the Gulf months ahead of time, just like the U.S. forces did. Jon Spencer wrote: Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally over a several month period before ever establishing an international coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that that is not an international coalition. Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore your memory! :-) Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of this post.) Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, Saudi, Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, and ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in Chief of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam
They did not take part in the Gulf War and are against any unilateral moves against Iraq, but voted with the rest of the Security Council in unanimously adopting the most recent resolution regarding Iraq. The most current information I could find on the Mexican Foreign Affairs site are links to two documents, but the documents apparently are mislinked or are not on the server, but the descriptions give you the general idea: http://www.sre.gob.mx/ayuda/comunicados.search (type in Irak and it will return 2 documents. For indirect (press) statements, see: http://www.thenewsmexico.com/noticia.asp?id=39264 (Mexico currently has one of the 10 seats reserved for countries other than the permanent members [US, Russia, Britain, China and France] on a rotating basis) Stacy Smith wrote: Where do the Mexicans align themselves? Stacy. At 02:01 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally over a several month period before ever establishing an international coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that that is not an international coalition. Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore your memory! :-) Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of this post.) Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, Saudi, Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, and ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in Chief of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/10/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the Temple Mount. Well, anything is possible. But--you have to consider that the Jews had their chance and still do--but they don't overstep their bounds by attacking that disgusting dome. The Muslims are a force that can't be trusted. Remember what they did in Iran when Carter was President? The religion of Islam is a dangerous threat to the whole world and it is antichrist for sure. God will destroy all the millions of Muslims who come up against Judah in the last days at Armageddon. Islam will fall by a mighty hand and will not survive into the millennium. That is my prediction. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the Islamist factions? Stacy. At 12:09 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the Temple Mount. Well, anything is possible. But--you have to consider that the Jews had their chance and still do--but they don't overstep their bounds by attacking that disgusting dome. The Muslims are a force that can't be trusted. Remember what they did in Iran when Carter was President? The religion of Islam is a dangerous threat to the whole world and it is antichrist for sure. God will destroy all the millions of Muslims who come up against Judah in the last days at Armageddon. Islam will fall by a mighty hand and will not survive into the millennium. That is my prediction. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam
You make some interesting points there. But I have another question which I think is very relevant. It seems wrong to me even in the face of oil interests to consider Saudi Arabia on our side. Why can't we stop treating them as allies, especially in light of their Islamist tendencies? Stacy. At 11:06 AM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: Stacy, here's another link I found. While Mexico has been traditionally neutral and non-interventionist (which, in the Wall Street Journal's eyes makes it leftist), they have, as previously stated, agreed, along with the rest of the Security Council on this last week's resolution on Iraq. This link is useful because it makes some of the points we Canadians try to make, too; namely, that allies are supposed to be treated as equals, not condescended to (as Pat Buchanan, who appeals to the trailer park trash counterpart to Howard Stern's demographic, did): http://www.hispanicvista.com/html2/110302thompson.htm Stacy Smith wrote: Where do the Mexicans align themselves? Stacy. -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam
By the way, I had quite a discussion in Gospel Doctrine last week on the Zionist movement. I saw the original Zionist movement in 1948 as quite improper and that the Jews had no business coming back to the Holy Land until the Messiah, Jesus, should come the second time. Stacy. At 11:06 AM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: Stacy, here's another link I found. While Mexico has been traditionally neutral and non-interventionist (which, in the Wall Street Journal's eyes makes it leftist), they have, as previously stated, agreed, along with the rest of the Security Council on this last week's resolution on Iraq. This link is useful because it makes some of the points we Canadians try to make, too; namely, that allies are supposed to be treated as equals, not condescended to (as Pat Buchanan, who appeals to the trailer park trash counterpart to Howard Stern's demographic, did): http://www.hispanicvista.com/html2/110302thompson.htm Stacy Smith wrote: Where do the Mexicans align themselves? Stacy. -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam
To my understanding, Saudia Arabia is the next most Islamist state around next to Iraq now. They seem to be the most strict observers. Stacy. At 10:23 AM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's ironic that you're showing this particular kind of ignorance on the topic -- it was precisely because the Saudis allowed foreign, non-Moslem soldiers on its soil that set bin Laden off. You started off politically, first with the Saudis, to get permission to move some of the things that couldn't be airlifted in (like most of the tanks your army uses). Light infantry were only brought in when the infrastructure was in place. And Canadian, Australian and British ships can't sail any faster than their U.S. counterparts -- they headed for the Gulf months ahead of time, just like the U.S. forces did. Jon Spencer wrote: Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally over a several month period before ever establishing an international coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that that is not an international coalition. Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore your memory! :-) Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of this post.) Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, Saudi, Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, and ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in Chief of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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My suggestion is to FIRST elect GBH and THEN get rid of Bush. Jon Let's get rid of Bush and elect Hinckley. I should have written his name in. Stacy. At 01:31 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: But we have both! Jon I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush. Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam
There are Jewish fundamentalist groups who are planning to do exactly that, actually. Fortunately they're kept in check, but every now and then one of them gets loose and does something stupid, like the shooting in Hebron at the Tomb of the Patriarchs a few years ago. Paul Osborne wrote: If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the Temple Mount. Well, anything is possible. But--you have to consider that the Jews had their chance and still do--but they don't overstep their bounds by attacking that disgusting dome. The Muslims are a force that can't be trusted. Remember what they did in Iran when Carter was President? The religion of Islam is a dangerous threat to the whole world and it is antichrist for sure. God will destroy all the millions of Muslims who come up against Judah in the last days at Armageddon. Islam will fall by a mighty hand and will not survive into the millennium. That is my prediction. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam
Marc, you just have to slow down and READ posts before you respond. I'll let you reread my post (that you included in your response), then read your response, and then apologize :-) Jon - Original Message - From: Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's ironic that you're showing this particular kind of ignorance on the topic -- it was precisely because the Saudis allowed foreign, non-Moslem soldiers on its soil that set bin Laden off. You started off politically, first with the Saudis, to get permission to move some of the things that couldn't be airlifted in (like most of the tanks your army uses). Light infantry were only brought in when the infrastructure was in place. And Canadian, Australian and British ships can't sail any faster than their U.S. counterparts -- they headed for the Gulf months ahead of time, just like the U.S. forces did. Jon Spencer wrote: Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally over a several month period before ever establishing an international coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that that is not an international coalition. Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore your memory! :-) Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of this post.) Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, Saudi, Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, and ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in Chief of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on - Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the author's employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the Islamist factions? Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would you change your mind? Paul Osborne wrote: I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the Islamist factions? Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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Possibly, but I doubt it. You see, I'm not happy with the way in which the modern Israel was created. It's my contention that the gathering of spiritual Israel began before the political figures got involved and the gathering of the Jews to their homeland wasn't supposed to be happening until Jesus came back. Stacy. At 07:42 PM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would you change your mind? Paul Osborne wrote: I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the Islamist factions? Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way that modern Israel as a nation came into existence. Stacy. At 05:42 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the Islamist factions? Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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No. I would say that person wasn't a true Muslim. Are not the Jews infidels? Paul O On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 19:42:45 -0700 Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would you change your mind? Paul Osborne wrote: I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the Islamist factions? Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way that modern Israel as a nation came into existence. He doesn't count. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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No, they're beni Israel (the title of one of the Suras of the Qur'an), meaning by way of connotation that they, along with Christians, are children of the Book and are to be treated with respect. It's not just Christians who are hypocrites and misread their own scriptures. True infidels are actually those who do not believe in a form of monotheism, according to pure Islam. Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. The vast majority of Sunni and Ismaili Muslims, which are the branches I'm most familiar with, and to which persuasions most of the Moslems I have met belong to, are more tolerant by far than our media portrays. There's no news to ordinariness. I've only ever known well one Iranian, and he was from a Turkmen minority group who are Sunni, so I'm not sure if I even know any Shiites. Many Moslems are like Christians, too -- they are really Muslim in name only, and tend to be rather secular (most Egyptians and Palestinians I have met, let alone Turks, are like that). But Palestinians are in a difficult position, as we all know, and there is a lot of polarization going on there. That's what happened in Chechnya. There has never been any love lost between the Chechens and the Russians, dating back to when Peter the Great conquered the Caucasus's northern slopes for the Empire, but Chechens have mostly been secular, and are using Islam as a means of militarizing their nationalism. Paul Osborne wrote: No. I would say that person wasn't a true Muslim. Are not the Jews infidels? Paul O On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 19:42:45 -0700 Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would you change your mind? Paul Osborne wrote: I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the Islamist factions? Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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That's the problem with universal statements. They're like balloons -- it only takes one pin to burst them. Paul Osborne wrote: Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way that modern Israel as a nation came into existence. He doesn't count. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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Why doesn't he count? He claims as a Muslim he didn't hate Jews either, only the way modern Israel came into being. I'll name another one who claims to have loved all people. He even married a Christian woman while he was Muslim, namely my sister. He is from Turkey. His name is Tahir Sozutek. Need other examples? Stacy. At 09:14 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way that modern Israel as a nation came into existence. He doesn't count. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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There are other sections of the Qur'an, it is true, that tell the soldiers to slaughter unbelievers, but when one talks to most Muslims they claim that this was during the first wars in self-defense from Christian and Jewish opposition and that this has not always held true. At times Christians, Jews and Muslims lived in harmony with one another. It is mostly the Palistinians who want all Jews out of Israel, not destroyed, just out of the Holy land. If one talks to American Muslims, Turkish Muslims, etc., one gets an entirely different picture. The first name I mentioned was someone who practiced Islam devoutly from age 15 to, well, about 12 years. He fulfilled a semi-pilgrimage to Mecca during that time and studied in Saudi Arabia. Stacy. At 09:10 PM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: No, they're beni Israel (the title of one of the Suras of the Qur'an), meaning by way of connotation that they, along with Christians, are children of the Book and are to be treated with respect. It's not just Christians who are hypocrites and misread their own scriptures. True infidels are actually those who do not believe in a form of monotheism, according to pure Islam. Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. The vast majority of Sunni and Ismaili Muslims, which are the branches I'm most familiar with, and to which persuasions most of the Moslems I have met belong to, are more tolerant by far than our media portrays. There's no news to ordinariness. I've only ever known well one Iranian, and he was from a Turkmen minority group who are Sunni, so I'm not sure if I even know any Shiites. Many Moslems are like Christians, too -- they are really Muslim in name only, and tend to be rather secular (most Egyptians and Palestinians I have met, let alone Turks, are like that). But Palestinians are in a difficult position, as we all know, and there is a lot of polarization going on there. That's what happened in Chechnya. There has never been any love lost between the Chechens and the Russians, dating back to when Peter the Great conquered the Caucasus's northern slopes for the Empire, but Chechens have mostly been secular, and are using Islam as a means of militarizing their nationalism. Paul Osborne wrote: No. I would say that person wasn't a true Muslim. Are not the Jews infidels? Paul O On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 19:42:45 -0700 Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would you change your mind? Paul Osborne wrote: I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the Islamist factions? Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either Russia or China have secret, mutual defense treaties with Saddam Hussein. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Which votes? France and Russia voted in favour of the new US resolution at the Security Council where they, along with the US, hold permanent seats. Jon Spencer wrote: It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either Russia or China have secret, mutual defense treaties with Saddam Hussein. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. So you are absolutely sure that if we attack Iraq that no other country will get involved against us, is that right? --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Dreamer! Stacy. At 07:43 AM 11/08/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. So you are absolutely sure that if we attack Iraq that no other country will get involved against us, is that right? --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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What do you mean? Did you read what I typed, or are you, too, going blind, like Ryan and myself? I will restate my sentence in different terms for you: It would not matter if Russia and/or China had an existing mutual defense treaty with Iraq [sidebar: the mere thought is extremely funny!]. Neither the Russians nor the Chinese would honor such a treaty even if it existed. This view is certainly strengthened by the UN SC vote today, where both Russia and China voted to support the US resolution. OK? Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Which votes? France and Russia voted in favour of the new US resolution at the Security Council where they, along with the US, hold permanent seats. Jon Spencer wrote: It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either Russia or China have secret, mutual defense treaties with Saddam Hussein. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Quite a jump there, JWR! You mentioned Russia and China, and I shot them down. That's all. And yes, I am quite certain, especially after today's UN vote, that not a single solitary country will join Iraq against us. That is absolutely correct. Jon John W. Redelfs asked: After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. So you are absolutely sure that if we attack Iraq that no other country will get involved against us, is that right? --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Don't forget that when we started WW II we were pretty much a righteous nation. I frankly don't see how we can really carry on our battles with these people when they aren't any more righteous than the majority of the nation. Stacy. At 04:36 PM 11/08/2002 -0500, you wrote: Ah, but I would (be so sure of that)! You see, unlike some on this list, I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest and sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take everything as gospel, and I don't agree with some of what he wants to do, but he will not lead us into untenable situations. He has reached agreements with the Ruskies and the French and the Chinese and the Syrians and other interested parties, all behind the scenes. Saddam is toast. By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of this post.) Jon Dan R Allen wrote: Jon: It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. Dan: I wouldn't be so sure of that... / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Jon: Ah, but I would (be so sure of that)! You see, unlike some on this list, I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest and sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take everything as gospel, and I don't agree with some of what he wants to do, but he will not lead us into untenable situations. Dan: As do I, although I'm not so sure that won't lead us into untenable situations - mainly because his decisions are only going to be as good as his sources. Jon: By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of this post.) Dan: What do you consider as first? IIRC, we did start troop movements, but the first bombs didn't drop until after the coalition was in place. Also, regarding the Russians; they agreed not to attack us outright, but did leave Russian owned anti-air equipment in Iraq for Saddam to use. True, it didn't help him much, but their compliance with the agreement was kinda halfhearted. I'm not suggesting that they will renege on their votes, but they are pretty skilled at skirting along the edges. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush. Stacy. At 03:23 PM 11/08/2002 -0700, you wrote: Jon: Ah, but I would (be so sure of that)! You see, unlike some on this list, I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest and sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take everything as gospel, and I don't agree with some of what he wants to do, but he will not lead us into untenable situations. Dan: As do I, although I'm not so sure that won't lead us into untenable situations - mainly because his decisions are only going to be as good as his sources. Jon: By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of this post.) Dan: What do you consider as first? IIRC, we did start troop movements, but the first bombs didn't drop until after the coalition was in place. Also, regarding the Russians; they agreed not to attack us outright, but did leave Russian owned anti-air equipment in Iraq for Saddam to use. True, it didn't help him much, but their compliance with the agreement was kinda halfhearted. I'm not suggesting that they will renege on their votes, but they are pretty skilled at skirting along the edges. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: Quite a jump there, JWR! You mentioned Russia and China, and I shot them down. That's all. And yes, I am quite certain, especially after today's UN vote, that not a single solitary country will join Iraq against us. You have no idea how that puts my mind at ease. I cannot tell you how glad I am that I live in a day when wars are carefully controlled events. It used to be that at the beginning of a war not even the top generals knew how it was going to progress. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis. --Jack Handy === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Jon Spencer wrote: Quite a jump there, JWR! You mentioned Russia and China, and I shot them down. That's all. And yes, I am quite certain, especially after today's UN vote, that not a single solitary country will join Iraq against us. That is absolutely correct. I don't think that was ever in question. The issue was who would *join* with you. That still remains to be seen. But I still have this prognostication hanging out there which says that once the mid-term elections were over, the pressure would ease, and there'll be no war. We'll see if I'm right, I guess. Jon John W. Redelfs asked: After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. So you are absolutely sure that if we attack Iraq that no other country will get involved against us, is that right? --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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Jon Spencer wrote: By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of this post.) Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, Saudi, Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, and ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in Chief of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. Jon -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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Ah, but I would (be so sure of that)! You see, unlike some on this list, I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest and sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take everything as gospel, and I don't agree with some of what he wants to do, but he will not lead us into untenable situations. Amen. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: Do we wait until Islam engulfs the nations and becomes a giant threat,before we encourage it to stand down and live peacefully among the nations of the world? Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become a giant threat that engulfs the nations? That seems rather unlikely to me regardless of we do or don't do. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Laurie got offended that I used the word puke. But to me, that's what her dinner tasted like. --Jack Handy === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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It might surprise many to hear this, because of what we hear in the popular press, but actually Christianity is growing faster than Islam is. It's growing in 3rd world countries with high birth rates, though, so it's centre of gravity as it were, is moving away from Canterbury, the Vatican, and even SLC. John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: Do we wait until Islam engulfs the nations and becomes a giant threat,before we encourage it to stand down and live peacefully among the nations of the world? Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become a giant threat that engulfs the nations? That seems rather unlikely to me regardless of we do or don't do. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Laurie got offended that I used the word puke. But to me, that's what her dinner tasted like. --Jack Handy === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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JWR asked: Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become a giant threat that engulfs the nations? That seems rather unlikely to me regardless of we do or don't do. You better believe it. The Islamic fundies are the ones that are going to bring to pass Armageddon as the rest of the world charges into the great final battle. Those Muslims are going to attack the Jews and the Jews will have no choice but to launch all of their nuclear weapons. The whole thing can be laid squarely on the shoulders of the Muslims. They are going to be the cause of WWIII. IMO, of course. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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I want to assure you that not all Muslims want this but I believe the Islamists do. Stacy. At 11:12 PM 11/08/2002 -0600, you wrote: JWR asked: Do you really think there is any danger that Islam could become a giant threat that engulfs the nations? That seems rather unlikely to me regardless of we do or don't do. You better believe it. The Islamic fundies are the ones that are going to bring to pass Armageddon as the rest of the world charges into the great final battle. Those Muslims are going to attack the Jews and the Jews will have no choice but to launch all of their nuclear weapons. The whole thing can be laid squarely on the shoulders of the Muslims. They are going to be the cause of WWIII. IMO, of course. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Dan R Allen wrote: Dan: As do I, although I'm not so sure that won't lead us into untenable situations - mainly because his decisions are only going to be as good as his sources. True, but I think that he is fairly wide about which sources to trust. At least, that's how it appears to me at this point. Jon: By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of this post.) Dan: What do you consider as first? IIRC, we did start troop movements, but the first bombs didn't drop until after the coalition was in place. That's my point. it was a LOOONNGGG time between the two events. We are not even near the point where bombs would drop, and President Bush seems to be building his coalition much better than most anyone thought. of course, only time will tell. The big election wins didn't hurt his efforts one bit. Also, regarding the Russians; they agreed not to attack us outright, but did leave Russian owned anti-air equipment in Iraq for Saddam to use. True, it didn't help him much, but their compliance with the agreement was kinda halfhearted. Yep. I sort of made that point a bit earlier in my comments about the trade issues. Old hatreds die hard, and the end of the cold war is hard for some on both sides to accept. I'm not suggesting that they will renege on their votes, but they are pretty skilled at skirting along the edges. This I will definitely grant you! Jon / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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I am happy and humbled to have been of such great service to you! Let me know, and I will repeat my performance for you. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: You have no idea how that puts my mind at ease. I cannot tell you how glad I am that I live in a day when wars are carefully controlled events. It used to be that at the beginning of a war not even the top generals knew how it was going to progress. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally over a several month period before ever establishing an international coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that that is not an international coalition. Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore your memory! :-) Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of this post.) Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, Saudi, Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, and ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in Chief of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Where do the Mexicans align themselves? Stacy. At 02:01 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put people into the area immediately, and then built up our forces unilaterally over a several month period before ever establishing an international coalition. Now just as then, we had some instant allies such as the British Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that that is not an international coalition. Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore your memory! :-) Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: By the way, to offset all the history revisionists, if you remember, under Bush 41 we acted FIRST, and then built a coalition, not the other way around. Does anyone need the history lesson, or do you remember now? (Dan, I'm not saying you said this, it just popped into my mind as a result of this post.) Really? Then how did all those British, Canadian, Australian, Egyptian, Saudi, Omani, UAE-ese, Turkish, French, lessee, Qatari, Yemeni troops, planes, and ships get there along with the US forces? Do you know who the Commander in Chief of Desert Storm was? I have the whole order of battle on my bookshelf. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/10/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Let's get rid of Bush and elect Hinckley. I should have written his name in. Stacy. At 01:31 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: But we have both! Jon I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush. Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us. This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either Russia or China have secret, mutual defense treaties with Saddam Hussein. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
