Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-08 Thread George Cobabe
I have not got to that part yet.  I am only to the initial baptism section.
So far though, I find it very good, although sometimes not as deep in
background quotes as I might have expected.  He is on another list I
participate in and I may yet have some questions for him.

George

- Original Message -
From: Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [ZION] A reading list


 I have Barry's book. It is very good, with one exception. I think the
 Baptism for the Dead section is a little weak. But that isn't through
 any fault of his. The reality is, there isn't much ancient information
 whatsoever on baptisms for the dead. His stuff on an anthropomorphic God
 is excellent, but I would have included a little bit more information
 from his sources in that area.
 Gary

 George Cobabe wrote:
 
  Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions.
 
  I just finished reading By the Hand of Mormon by Terryl Givens.  A
  excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of
  Mormon
  from historical as well as non-mormon perspective.  Chapter Eight on
  Dialogic Revelation and the Book of Mormon's application of the
  principles
  was truly eye-opening.
 
  I have just started Restoring the Ancient Church, Joseph Smith and
  Early
  Christianity  By Barry Bickmore.  It looks at the early Christian
  Church
  and describes how it was corrupted and then how the early doctrines
  compare
  so favorably with our current doctrines.  It looks very good.
 
  George
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: ZION [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:01 AM
  Subject: [ZION] A reading list
 
 
   I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade.  I see that many people
   enjoy discussing the gospel.  I do not qualify to join such
   discussions.  I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has.
   So I decided to start a new thread.  In the past, my efforts have
   had mixed results.  At times I have started threads that have
   lasted weeks.  Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I
   suppose it could not even be called a thread.  We shall see how
   this one works out.  Please forgive the lightheartedness.
  
   I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days.  I'm
   currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy.  I had
   decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too
   far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to
   go with that.  My little brain just doesn't function that well.
   Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to
   pick it up then.  I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan
   next.  I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone
   having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life
   out there beyond the confines of the earth.
  
   So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
   Or their thoughts on life in outer space?  I'm kind of angry at
   myself.  Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail
   address.  I also have a new computer.  I downloaded the SETI
   program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total
   they asked for my password.  I have no idea, and since they only
   send the password to the old address (which has since been
   cancelled), I'm out of luck.  I had over 400 completed work
   units, and had to start over.  I'm at about 90 now.  One good
   thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two
   and three times as fast as my old computer.
  
   Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading?
  
   Cousin Bill
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Our country, right or wrong.  When
   right, to be kept right.  When wrong,
   to be put right. -- Carl Schurz
  
  
 

 
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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread George Cobabe
Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions.

I just finished reading "By the Hand of Mormon" by Terryl Givens.  A
excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of Mormon
from historical as well as non-mormon perspective.  Chapter Eight on
"Dialogic Revelation" and the Book of Mormon's application of the principles
was truly eye-opening.

I have just started "Restoring the Ancient Church, Joseph Smith and Early
Christianity"  By Barry Bickmore.  It looks at the early Christian Church
and describes how it was corrupted and then how the early doctrines compare
so favorably with our current doctrines.  It looks very good.

George


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From: "Cousin Bill" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "ZION" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:01 AM
Subject: [ZION] A reading list


 I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade.  I see that many people
 enjoy discussing the gospel.  I do not qualify to join such
 discussions.  I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has.
 So I decided to start a new thread.  In the past, my efforts have
 had mixed results.  At times I have started threads that have
 lasted weeks.  Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I
 suppose it could not even be called a thread.  We shall see how
 this one works out.  Please forgive the lightheartedness.

 I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days.  I'm
 currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy.  I had
 decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too
 far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to
 go with that.  My little brain just doesn't function that well.
 Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to
 pick it up then.  I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan
 next.  I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone
 having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life
 out there beyond the confines of the earth.

 So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
 Or their thoughts on life in outer space?  I'm kind of angry at
 myself.  Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail
 address.  I also have a new computer.  I downloaded the SETI
 program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total
 they asked for my password.  I have no idea, and since they only
 send the password to the old address (which has since been
 cancelled), I'm out of luck.  I had over 400 completed work
 units, and had to start over.  I'm at about 90 now.  One good
 thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two
 and three times as fast as my old computer.

 Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading?

 Cousin Bill
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 "Our country, right or wrong.  When
 right, to be kept right.  When wrong,
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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Thomas VALLETTA
From: Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: ZION [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ZION] A reading list
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:01:36 +0900
So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
Read Ann Coulter _Treason_ and _Slander_... Read _Shut Up and Sing!_ by 
Laura Ingraham.  Read When Character was King, by Noonan.  In gospel books: 
_Joseph Smith_ by Remini and the new edition of _Joseph Smith's New England 
Heritage_ by Anderson... It's tough to say this, because it sounds so trite 
-- I loved them all.

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RE: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
I'm currently reading this note you sent.  ;-)

I'm also involved in how to write science fiction and fantasy by our 
own Orson Scott Card; and The Book of J edited by Harold Bloom.
Gary


Cousin Bill wrote:
 
 I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade.  I see that many people
 enjoy discussing the gospel.  I do not qualify to join such
 discussions.  I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has.
 So I decided to start a new thread.  In the past, my efforts have
 had mixed results.  At times I have started threads that have
 lasted weeks.  Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I
 suppose it could not even be called a thread.  We shall see how
 this one works out.  Please forgive the lightheartedness.
 
 I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days.  I'm
 currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy.  I had
 decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too
 far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to
 go with that.  My little brain just doesn't function that well.
 Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to
 pick it up then.  I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan
 next.  I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone
 having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life
 out there beyond the confines of the earth.
 
 So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
 Or their thoughts on life in outer space?  I'm kind of angry at
 myself.  Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail
 address.  I also have a new computer.  I downloaded the SETI
 program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total
 they asked for my password.  I have no idea, and since they only
 send the password to the old address (which has since been
 cancelled), I'm out of luck.  I had over 400 completed work
 units, and had to start over.  I'm at about 90 now.  One good
 thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two
 and three times as fast as my old computer.
 
 Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading?
 
 Cousin Bill
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Our country, right or wrong.  When
 right, to be kept right.  When wrong,
 to be put right. -- Carl Schurz
 
 



Gerald (Gary) Smith
geraldsmith@ juno.com
http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom

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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:28 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, St George wrote:
Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions.

I just finished reading By the Hand of Mormon by Terryl Givens.  A
excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of Mormon
from historical as well as non-mormon perspective.  Chapter Eight on
Dialogic Revelation and the Book of Mormon's application of the principles
was truly eye-opening.
I have just started Restoring the Ancient Church, Joseph Smith and Early
Christianity  By Barry Bickmore.  It looks at the early Christian Church
and describes how it was corrupted and then how the early doctrines compare
so favorably with our current doctrines.  It looks very good.


Cool.  Terry and his wife Fiona were in our ward years ago.  I ran into her 
at Education week in '02.  She was buying a copy of his latest book. 8))

Till

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RE: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
I have Barry's book. It is very good, with one exception. I think the 
Baptism for the Dead section is a little weak. But that isn't through 
any fault of his. The reality is, there isn't much ancient information 
whatsoever on baptisms for the dead. His stuff on an anthropomorphic God 
is excellent, but I would have included a little bit more information 
from his sources in that area.
Gary

George Cobabe wrote:
 
 Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions.
 
 I just finished reading By the Hand of Mormon by Terryl Givens.  A
 excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of 
 Mormon
 from historical as well as non-mormon perspective.  Chapter Eight on
 Dialogic Revelation and the Book of Mormon's application of the 
 principles
 was truly eye-opening.
 
 I have just started Restoring the Ancient Church, Joseph Smith and 
 Early
 Christianity  By Barry Bickmore.  It looks at the early Christian 
 Church
 and describes how it was corrupted and then how the early doctrines 
 compare
 so favorably with our current doctrines.  It looks very good.
 
 George
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ZION [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:01 AM
 Subject: [ZION] A reading list
 
 
  I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade.  I see that many people
  enjoy discussing the gospel.  I do not qualify to join such
  discussions.  I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has.
  So I decided to start a new thread.  In the past, my efforts have
  had mixed results.  At times I have started threads that have
  lasted weeks.  Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I
  suppose it could not even be called a thread.  We shall see how
  this one works out.  Please forgive the lightheartedness.
 
  I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days.  I'm
  currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy.  I had
  decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too
  far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to
  go with that.  My little brain just doesn't function that well.
  Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to
  pick it up then.  I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan
  next.  I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone
  having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life
  out there beyond the confines of the earth.
 
  So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
  Or their thoughts on life in outer space?  I'm kind of angry at
  myself.  Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail
  address.  I also have a new computer.  I downloaded the SETI
  program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total
  they asked for my password.  I have no idea, and since they only
  send the password to the old address (which has since been
  cancelled), I'm out of luck.  I had over 400 completed work
  units, and had to start over.  I'm at about 90 now.  One good
  thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two
  and three times as fast as my old computer.
 
  Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading?
 
  Cousin Bill
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  right, to be kept right.  When wrong,
  to be put right. -- Carl Schurz
 
 
 
 
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RE: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
Gerald Smith wrote:
I'm currently reading this note you sent.  ;-)

I'm also involved in how to write science fiction and fantasy by our
own Orson Scott Card; and The Book of J edited by Harold Bloom.
Gary
This is really a coincidence.  I'm reading THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Bloom, 
and he makes a lot of references to THE BOOK OF J.  Also, I own the Card 
book and have recently put it back on my reading schedule because I just 
started a SF novel a few weeks ago.  --JWR

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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
Cousin Bill wrote:
I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days.  I'm
currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy.  I had
decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too
far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to
go with that.  My little brain just doesn't function that well.
Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to
pick it up then.  I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan
next.  I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone
having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life
out there beyond the confines of the earth.
So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days?
Or their thoughts on life in outer space?  I'm kind of angry at
myself.  Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail
address.  I also have a new computer.  I downloaded the SETI
program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total
they asked for my password.  I have no idea, and since they only
send the password to the old address (which has since been
cancelled), I'm out of luck.  I had over 400 completed work
units, and had to start over.  I'm at about 90 now.  One good
thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two
and three times as fast as my old computer.
Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading?
I've been reading THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Harold Bloom and discussing it 
some online both here and on some of the other lists.  Recently I finished 
reading a western by Ralph Compton entitled THE VIRGINIA CITY TRAIL.  Also, 
I'm trying to finish up reading THE TEACHINGS OF GORDON B. HINCKLEY, but I 
have quite a way to go.  It is a pretty big book and not exactly fast reading.

John W. Redelfs   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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must never be disagreeable. We must be friendly,
soft-spoken, neighborly, and understanding. (President
Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2003)
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All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR 

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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Steven Montgomery


I'm currently reading:

_The Moral Basis of a Free Society_, by H. Verlan Andersen.

Lysistrata, by Aristophanes.

_The Hound of the Baskervilles_, by Arthur Conan Doyle.

The play by Aristophanes is book two of a Great Books of the Western 
World reading plan (See: http://www.io.com/~beckerdo/books/gb195210.html ) 
that I have embarked upon. There are many such plans available. Many of the 
books (Or selections) I have already read so I might skip them and replace 
them with others. What books would you (Or should I) include in a ten-year 
reading list?

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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
Steven Montgomery wrote:
The play by Aristophanes is book two of a Great Books of the Western 
World reading plan (See: http://www.io.com/~beckerdo/books/gb195210.html 
) that I have embarked upon. There are many such plans available. Many of 
the books (Or selections) I have already read so I might skip them and 
replace them with others. What books would you (Or should I) include in a 
ten-year reading list?
There have been 15 Presidents of the Church in this dispensation.  Have you 
read the standard compilation of the sermons of each?  If not, they should 
be on a ten year reading list.  --JWR

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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 01:11 PM 11/7/2003, you wrote:
Steven Montgomery wrote:
The play by Aristophanes is book two of a Great Books of the Western 
World reading plan (See: http://www.io.com/~beckerdo/books/gb195210.html 
) that I have embarked upon. There are many such plans available. Many of 
the books (Or selections) I have already read so I might skip them and 
replace them with others. What books would you (Or should I) include in a 
ten-year reading list?
There have been 15 Presidents of the Church in this dispensation.  Have 
you read the standard compilation of the sermons of each?  If not, they 
should be on a ten year reading list.  --JWR
Let's see, if I recall correctly, I've read the Teachings of President 
Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Howard W. Hunter and Gordon B. 
Hinckley. I've also read the Journal of Discourses. I have also read the 
complete (to my knowledge, at least) published works of, Spencer W. 
Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson,  Bruce R. McConkie, and Gordon B. Hinckley. In 
addition I've read much of the writings of every other Prophet of this 
dispensation. As well as many other books, biographies and histories.



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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
Steven Montgomery wrote:
Let's see, if I recall correctly, I've read the Teachings of President 
Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Howard W. Hunter and Gordon B. 
Hinckley. I've also read the Journal of Discourses. I have also read the 
complete (to my knowledge, at least) published works of, Spencer W. 
Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson,  Bruce R. McConkie, and Gordon B. Hinckley. In 
addition I've read much of the writings of every other Prophet of this 
dispensation. As well as many other books, biographies and histories.
Next time you are by my place drop in.  I will give you a chocolate covered 
attaboy.  --JWR

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Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Grampa Bill in Savannah
John W. Redelfs wrote:

There have been 15 Presidents of the Church in this dispensation.  
Have you read the standard compilation of the sermons of each?  If 
not, they should be on a ten year reading list.  --JWR 

Grampa Bill comments:
   Sounds to me like a shameless plug for http://www.zionsbest.com .

Love y'all,
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