RE: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-14 Thread Jim Cobabe
Paul Osborne wrote: --- This is outdated counsel and no longer meets with the necessary needs and requirements of many saints in a changing world that places new demands on families. I see President Hinckley has been slowly superseding this counsel at a rate that is not too far behind the

RE: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-14 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stacy Smith wrote: --- The implications are that people from the far East are better? --- I implied no such thing, but since you asked, perhaps you could please instruct us on the subject of Far Eastern culture and marriage customs. Are their marriages better or worse than ours? How and why?

RE: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-14 Thread Stacy Smith
I don't know if they can just throw their wives away, abuse them, etc. I suppose so, since it seems that I heard on 20/20 once that there are American pedofiles who just love the Far East for their lack of surveillance on the sexual activities of American men with practically children. The

RE: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-14 Thread Stacy Smith
P.S.: Sorry about that. I forgot about the list charter. Maybe mentioning that these guys merely exist is a violation. Stacy. At 02:11 PM 09/14/2003 +, you wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: --- The implications are that people from the far East are better? --- I implied no such thing, but

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-11 Thread Paul Osborne
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:06:26 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps we could conduct a survey of views on importance of following President Benson's counsel about mothers not working outside the home. Or perhaps we could find some statistics regarding women married in the

RE: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-11 Thread Stacy Smith
The implications are that people from the far East are better? Stacy. At 02:06 AM 09/11/2003 +, you wrote: I wish I could understand why the contemporary western view is that our women are so transcendingly enlightened. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most contemporary western

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-10 Thread Paul Osborne
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:32:31 -0400 Chet Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since Joseph noted that Paul had been mistranslated -- what Paul (not Paul Osborne) actually advised was that it wasn't correct for women to RULE in church. If you read the rest of Paul's letter, it's pretty obvious

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-10 Thread George Cobabe
] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:32:31 -0400 Chet Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since Joseph noted that Paul had been mistranslated -- what Paul (not Paul Osborne) actually advised was that it wasn't correct for women to RULE in church. If you read the rest

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-10 Thread Paul Osborne
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:55:36 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul, before you go through a tirade like that you really ought to Well, I've looked at the subject and from what I have read about the Jews they treated their woman like second class citizens. Don't the scriptures bear

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-10 Thread Stacy Smith
: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:32:31 -0400 Chet Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since Joseph noted that Paul had been mistranslated -- what Paul (not Paul Osborne) actually advised was that it wasn't correct for women to RULE in church. If you read

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-10 Thread George Cobabe
Subject: Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:55:36 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul, before you go through a tirade like that you really ought to Well, I've looked at the subject and from what I have read about the Jews they treated

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
desired relationship with Christ. George - Original Message - From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:55:36 -0600 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-10 Thread Jim Cobabe
I wish I could understand why the contemporary western view is that our women are so transcendingly enlightened. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most contemporary western women have no regard for the correct principles of the gospel as they pertain specifically to women. Perhaps

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-09 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:09:57 GMT Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stacy Smith: Are you suggesting that not all of Paul's guidance should be taken as from the Lord on these matters? ___ Of course not. I think it is perfectly alright for the sisters to speak at

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-09 Thread John W. Redelfs
Paul Osborne wrote: Are you suggesting that not all of Paul's guidance should be taken as from the Lord on these matters? ___ Of course not. I think it is perfectly alright for the sisters to speak at Church. Larry Jackson Classic example of how Bible culture can be out of

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-09 Thread Chet Cox
Since Joseph noted that Paul had been mistranslated -- what Paul (not Paul Osborne) actually advised was that it wasn't correct for women to RULE in church. If you read the rest of Paul's letter, it's pretty obvious that men shouldn't RULE in church either. *jeep! --Chet Start by doing

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
More to the point, those Scriptures in and of themselves speak nothing about those who have repented of fornication being all right to be fellowshipped. Why not? Stacy. At 11:21 PM 09/07/2003 -0800, you wrote: I am fascinated by Church members disagreeing with the scriptures. This morning

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread Rick Mathis
At 11:21 PM 9/7/2003 -0800, The BLT wrote: . . . in the Church we shouldn't associate with unrepentant fornicators. Was Paul a self-righteous bigot, or what? What did Jesus do? Did he refuse to associate with sinners? According to what we have in the New Testament, Paul definitely had his own

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Are you suggesting that not all of Paul's guidance should be taken as from the Lord on these matters? Stacy. At 07:34 AM 09/08/2003 -0700, you wrote: At 11:21 PM 9/7/2003 -0800, The BLT wrote: . . . in the Church we shouldn't associate with unrepentant fornicators. Was Paul a self-righteous

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stacy Smith wrote: More to the point, those Scriptures in and of themselves speak nothing about those who have repented of fornication being all right to be fellowshipped. Why not? Those who have repented of fornication are no longer fornicators. --JWR

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread John W. Redelfs
Rick Mathis wrote: What did Jesus do? Did he refuse to associate with sinners? According to what we have in the New Testament, Paul definitely had his own set of issues, including bragging about correcting the President of the Church at that time. He was a product of his culture and

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Good point. When Jesus was associating with these people they were definitely outsiders. The general complaint was that he was associating with the lowest class of people. Stacy. At 08:25 AM 09/08/2003 -0800, you wrote: Rick Mathis wrote: What did Jesus do? Did he refuse to associate with

RE: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread Larry Jackson
Stacy Smith: Are you suggesting that not all of Paul's guidance should be taken as from the Lord on these matters? ___ Of course not. I think it is perfectly alright for the sisters to speak at Church. Larry Jackson

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread hkpage
will react, but at the same time, I can understand why she's having such a hard time with this. Any suggestions as to how to help her? Heidi the fair [Original Message] From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/8/2003 11:49:10 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Confusion

RE: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread Larry Jackson
Heidi Page: ... I've got one for you. Any suggestions as to how to help her? ___ [sick humor alert] Well, according to this discussion, she was obviously living in sin since she was still with her husband, and she should go to her bishop and repent. [end sick humor] Now,

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class Rick Mathis wrote: What did Jesus do? Did he refuse to associate with sinners? According to what we have in the New Testament, Paul definitely had his own set of issues, including bragging about correcting the President of the Church at that time. He

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-08 Thread Jon Spencer
. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class Rick Mathis wrote: What did Jesus do? Did he refuse to associate with sinners? According to what we have in the New Testament, Paul definitely had