Re: Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)
At 01:11 PM 7/11/2003, Mark Gregson wrote: IIRC one of the very early (perhaps the first) Sherlock Holmes novels had a very anti storyline. Anyone out there who can either confirm or refute? Yep, and I've read the novel. A Study in Scarlet (1887). The anti-Mormon stuff is not the focus of the book but prominence is given to the notion of avenging angels i.e. members who kill selected gentiles and apostates (cf. our earlier discussion about Danites). Arthur Conan Doyle was merely reflecting current beliefs about the Church. This website, http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_110.html wants its readers to know that we are just as dangerous as we were in those scarlet times. Sensationalism and gullibility are still best sellers. = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Hmmm. Somehow, even though I love books and am a voracious reader, Sir (he was knighted for his literary achievements some time after his first novel) Arthur Conan Doyle's works managed to escape my attention. So, with my curiosity thoroughly piqued I attempted to rectify that gap (at least partially) and read, _A Study In Scarlet: Being a Reprint from the Reminiscences of John H. Watson , M.D. , Late of the Army Medical Department_. An electronic text version is available here: http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=DoyScar.sgmimages=images/modengdata=/texts/english/modeng/parsedtag=publicpart=all In spite of its obvious antagonism against Brigham Young, polygamy and the Mormons, I greatly loved this novel. A delightfully easy read (it is apparently geared towards young readers, whatever that may be) but with enough intellectual stimulation to keep it interesting. I have to confess though that my interest waned somewhat when the story shifted from London to the Great Basin and Salt Lake City. Even though Doyle used a common literary technique similar to the flashback, I found myself wishing that Doyle had used a more fluid method to connect the reader from the events in London to the events in the Great Basin. At any rate, my interest again picked up and I enjoyed the rest of the story. I can see why Doyle's works became so popular. He has a way of writing which keeps your interest. As for Doyle's anti-Mormonism, apparently Doyle apologized in later years for his obvious errors. Levi Edgar Young claimed that Doyle had apologized and that he had been misled by writings of the time about the Church. An interesting article about Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, his work, _A Study In Scarlet, and his apologetic attitude towards the Church can be found here: http://www.adherents.com/lit/article_Doyle.html -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The overall performance of the college graduates in the Convention of 1787 speaks forcefully for the proposition that Latin, rhetoric, philosophy, and mathematics can be a healthy fare for political heroes.Clinton Rossiter // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)
At 02:49 PM 7/15/2003, Chet wrote: *ASIS* didn't affect me nearly as much as the follow-up novel, *Sign of Four* -- a rollicking adventure as well as a good mystery. But if you think that Conan Doyle later put his prejudices aside, you'll find he had another set of scapegoats in the Masons. Regardless, the Conan Doyle Holmes stories are epitomes of exciting detective stories -- and I highly recommend *Hound of the Baskervilles* as the best of the lot, a story that succeeds on several levels. *jeep! --Chet Ok, I'll read both of them and then report back grin. I need to read more fiction. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Editor, The Constitutional Broadside Newsletter http://www.thecbn.net // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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At 09:07 AM 7/11/2003, JWR wrote, regarding the book by Jon Krakauer called, _Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith: I doubt if I will buy the book, but apparently a great many others will. It isn't going to do our missionary work any good. I don't know John. I find that when the Devil and all his minions rage against righteousness that rather than hurt, it actually attracts the honest in heart to the gospel. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Editor, The Constitutional Broadside Newsletter http://www.thecbn.net // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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Is it a novel or nonfiction? Is there such a thing as an anti-Mormon novel? Probably not, come to think of it. Stacy. At 07:07 AM 07/11/2003 -0800, you wrote: Boy, this list is really dead, only 23 messages since June and none in the last three days. I've never seen anything like it since the list was created in November of 1993. Do any of you read Meridian Magazine? My wife reads it religiously. The latest big news is the destruction by fire of the temple in Samoa. Has anyone read anything about the new book by Jon Krakauer called UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN: A STORY OF VIOLENT FAITH. It is already on the Amazon Top 100 list just on the basis of preorders. The Church has published a highly negative response to it written by Richard E. Turley, Jr. at http://lds.org/newsroom/showpackage/0,15367,3881-1---2-748,00.html Apparently the book paints Mormons as latent killers because of their tendency towards religious extremism. I doubt if I will buy the book, but apparently a great many others will. It isn't going to do our missionary work any good. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph. --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 06/10/2003 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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Stacy Smith wrote: Is it a novel or nonfiction? Is there such a thing as an anti-Mormon novel? Probably not, come to think of it. = Grampa Bill comments: IIRC one of the very early (perhaps the first) Sherlock Holmes novels had a very anti storyline. Anyone out there who can either confirm or refute? Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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At 09:07 AM 7/11/2003, JWR wrote, regarding the book by Jon Krakauer called, _Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith: I doubt if I will buy the book, but apparently a great many others will. It isn't going to do our missionary work any good. Steven Mongomery replied: I don't know John. I find that when the Devil and all his minions rage against righteousness that rather than hurt, it actually attracts the honest in heart to the gospel. Grampa Bill comments: An old saying in show-biz goes, Bad publicity is better than no publicity! Love y'all, Gramp Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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At 07:07 AM 7/11/2003 -0800, The BLT wrote: Apparently the book paints Mormons as latent killers because of their tendency towards religious extremism. If the guy really believed the premise of his own book, he wouldn't have published it in the first place. Just think of all those millions of latent killers out there just waiting for a trigger (like his book) to send them over the edge. Rick Mathis // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)
IIRC one of the very early (perhaps the first) Sherlock Holmes novels had a very anti storyline. Anyone out there who can either confirm or refute? Yep, and I've read the novel. A Study in Scarlet (1887). The anti-Mormon stuff is not the focus of the book but prominence is given to the notion of avenging angels i.e. members who kill selected gentiles and apostates (cf. our earlier discussion about Danites). Arthur Conan Doyle was merely reflecting current beliefs about the Church. This website, http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_110.html wants its readers to know that we are just as dangerous as we were in those scarlet times. Sensationalism and gullibility are still best sellers. = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)
Speaking of interesting reading, what about the recently discovered Truman Diary. . .this morning a quote was read where he basically lambasted Jews, saying they had nothing on Hitler or Stalin when it comes to harming other people. Then he went on to say that any underdog who rises to power forgets where he came from--including Jews, Russians, Mormons etc. . . val in Mishawaka, Indiana On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:11:56 +0800 Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IIRC one of the very early (perhaps the first) Sherlock Holmes novels had a very anti storyline. Anyone out there who can either confirm or refute? Yep, and I've read the novel. A Study in Scarlet (1887). The anti-Mormon stuff is not the focus of the book but prominence is given to the notion of avenging angels i.e. members who kill selected gentiles and apostates (cf. our earlier discussion about Danites). Arthur Conan Doyle was merely reflecting current beliefs about the Church. This website, http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_110.html wants its readers to know that we are just as dangerous as we were in those scarlet times. Sensationalism and gullibility are still best sellers. = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)
I'm surprised there isn't more anti-Mormon fiction, given all the nonfiction stuff there is out there. Well, technically I guess it's all a fiction but it's not in a fictional form which would be quite interesting and laughable. Stacy. At 03:11 AM 07/12/2003 +0800, you wrote: IIRC one of the very early (perhaps the first) Sherlock Holmes novels had a very anti storyline. Anyone out there who can either confirm or refute? Yep, and I've read the novel. A Study in Scarlet (1887). The anti-Mormon stuff is not the focus of the book but prominence is given to the notion of avenging angels i.e. members who kill selected gentiles and apostates (cf. our earlier discussion about Danites). Arthur Conan Doyle was merely reflecting current beliefs about the Church. This website, http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_110.html wants its readers to know that we are just as dangerous as we were in those scarlet times. Sensationalism and gullibility are still best sellers. = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 06/10/2003 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
