RE: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark
What a great idea! Let's set a date for May sometime, maybe? It will be a little warmer, and my wife will be done with her semester of school (taking the summer off). I'm sure we could get Heidi Page and husband to come up from Kintucky, just a few hours from the Evansville Stake, etc. Who all would be interested in a gathering of the Central State saints? Gary Val wrote: Gee Chet, It is never easy to find out someone has been suffering. It is very easy for folks to stand on the outside and tell those in the inner-depths of depression and heartache to snap out of it, or pull yourself together. But unfortuately for some of us, it requires much more than strong will. It has been two years ago today that my husband died. It has been a tulmultuous two years. I have gone from mere moments of understanding God's plan to weeks and months of anguishing over the loss and wanting to turn back the hands of time. It has been compounded by the change in income (much less) and having to rely on other sources to keep my house. It would be easier to face these difficulties with my husband, but he is not here to comfort me. I have yet to totally accept it, but just in the last couple of weeks I feel I've finally turned a corner. Medication helps, but it doesn't fix. In my case, it has helped me to maintain a strong enough will not to do something foolish, but I have still had to find my way out of the hole. Fortunately, I am not alone in the quest for a way out--I have the Savior who has been by my side, even when I didn't want to acknowledge Him. My heart goes out to you, and I will keep you and your family in my prayers. And, Chet, if you are close enough to drive to Indy, perhaps we could get Gary to host a small bash for some Zionisti and their kin. It's only a 3 hour drive for the average person (2 1/2 for me) to Indy. I could go down and back in the same day! your sister in Zion val -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven, I can't tell you how much your posts of Elders Clark Skousen helped me today. It's been a terrible year for us, and I'd completely hit bottom - went so far as to drive up to the Indy VA hospital and turn myself in as depressed and a clinical loser. Whap! - Here's a bottle of new meds, we'll get you a real appointment in 2 or 3 weeks. Started to feel a little better, but was still feeling helpless in a hopeless world. You (and Elders Clark Skousen) reminded me that it's far from hopeless and I'm far from helpless. (I may still be unemployed, heavily in debt, and flat broke -- but I'm far from helpless.) And you reminded me of something I should never have forgotten: that all this was forseen and actions were taken long ago to save us all. (You'd think I'd have learned this lesson when I read about the missing 116 pages and the Plates of Nephi.) So I'm feeling better, if still weary. I think a good night's rest, and a morning re-reading of you three elders' post, will enable me to face tomorrow and continue the fight. Thanks again! *jeep! --Chet // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark
Talked me into it. The last face-to-face Zion List Convention (so officially named by no one in particular) was when I met with -- uh, a fellow named Dave who, with Dave Crockett, started a good news list which was assimilated by InfoBases -- and another bearded fellow whose name also escapes me.. With my memory, I'm not sure if I'd remember to show up -- or if I'd remember whether I'd been there or not. *jeep! ---Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. --Gus Segar via Popeye - Original Message - From: Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark What a great idea! Let's set a date for May sometime, maybe? // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark
Excellent! Since it was Val's idea, we'll let her set up a few possible dates when we can have this, etc; then we can all work toward doing it. Another option is to all meet at a local temple (Louisville, Nauvoo, etc), with lunch/dinner afterward. Gary mormonyoyoman wrote: Talked me into it. The last face-to-face Zion List Convention (so officially named by no one in particular) was when I met with -- uh, a fellow named Dave who, with Dave Crockett, started a good news list which was assimilated by InfoBases -- and another bearded fellow whose name also escapes me.. With my memory, I'm not sure if I'd remember to show up -- or if I'd remember whether I'd been there or not. *jeep! ---Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. --Gus Segar via Popeye - Original Message - From: Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark What a great idea! Let's set a date for May sometime, maybe? Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark
At 03:43 PM 3/16/2004, you wrote: --- W. Cleon Skousen --- But the Lord isn't going to allow this government to be destroyed. Although administrations may destroy themselves, systems may destroy themselves, this country's going to survive. J. Reuben Clark knew how it would survive: build track two. Don't get in front of that train on track one, it will just run over you. You quietly build track two. --- Steve, thanks also for posting this. It was a very interesting read. But just what did Bro. Skousen mean by track two? Was this a reference to the Church, to a parallel government of some sort, or to both? /Sandy/ -- The Rabinowitz Family -- http://www.firstnephi.com Spring Hill, Tennessee I don't know what Skousen meant. My best guess though is that when and if the U.S. Government and the Constitution fail, those properly educated in constitutional matters will be able to restore it. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our leisure, even our play, is a matter of serious concern. There is no neutral ground in the universe: every square inch, every split second, is claimed by God and counter-claimed by Satan. C. S. Lewis // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark
Gee Chet, It is never easy to find out someone has been suffering. It is very easy for folks to stand on the outside and tell those in the inner-depths of depression and heartache to snap out of it, or pull yourself together. But unfortuately for some of us, it requires much more than strong will. It has been two years ago today that my husband died. It has been a tulmultuous two years. I have gone from mere moments of understanding God's plan to weeks and months of anguishing over the loss and wanting to turn back the hands of time. It has been compounded by the change in income (much less) and having to rely on other sources to keep my house. It would be easier to face these difficulties with my husband, but he is not here to comfort me. I have yet to totally accept it, but just in the last couple of weeks I feel I've finally turned a corner. Medication helps, but it doesn't fix. In my case, it has helped me to maintain a strong enough will not to do something foolish, but I have still had to find my way out of the hole. Fortunately, I am not alone in the quest for a way out--I have the Savior who has been by my side, even when I didn't want to acknowledge Him. My heart goes out to you, and I will keep you and your family in my prayers. And, Chet, if you are close enough to drive to Indy, perhaps we could get Gary to host a small bash for some Zionisti and their kin. It's only a 3 hour drive for the average person (2 1/2 for me) to Indy. I could go down and back in the same day! your sister in Zion val -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven, I can't tell you how much your posts of Elders Clark Skousen helped me today. It's been a terrible year for us, and I'd completely hit bottom - went so far as to drive up to the Indy VA hospital and turn myself in as depressed and a clinical loser. Whap! - Here's a bottle of new meds, we'll get you a real appointment in 2 or 3 weeks. Started to feel a little better, but was still feeling helpless in a hopeless world. You (and Elders Clark Skousen) reminded me that it's far from hopeless and I'm far from helpless. (I may still be unemployed, heavily in debt, and flat broke -- but I'm far from helpless.) And you reminded me of something I should never have forgotten: that all this was forseen and actions were taken long ago to save us all. (You'd think I'd have learned this lesson when I read about the missing 116 pages and the Plates of Nephi.) So I'm feeling better, if still weary. I think a good night's rest, and a morning re-reading of you three elders' post, will enable me to face tomorrow and continue the fight. Thanks again! *jeep! --Chet // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
RE: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark
--- W. Cleon Skousen --- But the Lord isn't going to allow this government to be destroyed. Although administrations may destroy themselves, systems may destroy themselves, this country's going to survive. J. Reuben Clark knew how it would survive: build track two. Don't get in front of that train on track one, it will just run over you. You quietly build track two. --- Steve, thanks also for posting this. It was a very interesting read. But just what did Bro. Skousen mean by track two? Was this a reference to the Church, to a parallel government of some sort, or to both? /Sandy/ -- The Rabinowitz Family -- http://www.firstnephi.com Spring Hill, Tennessee // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark
Sander J. Rabinowitz wrote: ...just what did Bro. Skousen mean by track two? Was this a reference to the Church, to a parallel government of some sort, or to both? /Sandy/ == Grampa Bill asks: The Council of the Fifty? Love Y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
Re: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark
At 10:36 AM 3/16/2004, you wrote: Thought you might like this excerpt of a talk given by W. Cleon Skousen in Granstville Utah on September 1, 1990, regarding the life of J. Reuben Clark--A Prophet to the Prophets: Oops. The year the talk was given was 1992, not 1990. -- Steven Montgomery html a href=http://www.stoptheftaa.org/?af=linktous3; img border=0 src=http://www.stoptheftaa.org/_images/linktous/sftaalogosmall.jpg; width=406 height=100/a /html http://www.stoptheftaa.org // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^
