Re: [ZION] Miracles (was: Mars
Chet Cox wrote: What miracles seem miraculous to you? I was reminded today during Gospel Doctrine of an event which happened to me. Was it miraculous? I guess that depends upon your definition. Did it impact my testimony? I'll let you guess. I received my endowments on 1994 Sep 23. During that Fall, although I had to travel a lot for business, I was blessed to be able to attend about 20 endowment sessions. One of these was in the Portland Temple. I had a red eye back to the east coast that evening, and so I had time to attend at least 2 sessions. However, after I had completed my first session, I felt that I had to leave the temple; I was almost literally chased out! So, being one to take a hint, I left. I drove (what I remember to be) across the street to eat at Denny's. On the way in, I encountered a man in the parking lot who said that he and his father had not had anything to eat. I gave him $5. He then asked for money to take the bus down to Maryville (does that even exist? - you'll see later). I told him No, as I wasn't going to keep giving out money, but I told him I had sufficient time to drive them down. The man went in to Jack in the Box to get his father, and off we went. The man, who was about 30 and quite well muscled, kept giving me different directions as we drove south. It soon became apparent to me that his true intent was to rob me. For some reason, I was not afraid. I can't tell you to this day why I wasn't. Soon after I had this feeling, I felt the Spirit as strongly as I have ever felt it. Within about 1/2 second, the man said that he wanted to be let out of the car, and spotting a 7-11, asked to be let out there. As he went to get out of the car, he said Weren't you scared? Why he asked that, I don't know. For some reason, I replied No. I have the Priesthood. I must have been prompted to say that, for otherwise, I have no idea where it came from. Anyway, the three of us talked for about 15 minutes, and we parted on very friendly terms. Was this event for me? For them? For all of us? Was it a miracle? I think that many would think that this manifestation of the Spirit, which was observable and confirmed by both believer and non-believer, falls into that class of events. All I know is that I received proof positive, after I already knew what the truth was. To me, that is a miracle. Jon // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Miracles (was: Mars
Jon, I think this is beautiful, and a perfect example of a miracle. I think that all too often we think that we have to be able to watch water convert to wine before we will believe in miracles. There is a new show coming this fall, Joan of Arcadia. In one of the previews, God appears to Joan and she wants a miracle. He points to a tree and says, There you go. Her answer is That's just a tree. and he says, Then let's see you do it. [roughly paraphrased] Miracles exist in what we all too often view as mundane, everyday things. It's a miracle I breathe, that I wake up every morning, that the sun actually rises [no we won't go into whether the sun rises--we all know better]. Thank you for sharing this most personal experience. val On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:27:33 -0400 Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was reminded today during Gospel Doctrine of an event which happened to me. Was it miraculous? I guess that depends upon your definition. Did it impact my testimony? I'll let you guess. I received my endowments on 1994 Sep 23. During that Fall, although I had to travel a lot for business, I was blessed to be able to attend about 20 endowment sessions. One of these was in the Portland Temple. I had a red eye back to the east coast that evening, and so I had time to attend at least 2 sessions. However, after I had completed my first session, I felt that I had to leave the temple; I was almost literally chased out! So, being one to take a hint, I left. I drove (what I remember to be) across the street to eat at Denny's. On the way in, I encountered a man in the parking lot who said that he and his father had not had anything to eat. I gave him $5. He then asked for money to take the bus down to Maryville (does that even exist? - you'll see later). I told him No, as I wasn't going to keep giving out money, but I told him I had sufficient time to drive them down. The man went in to Jack in the Box to get his father, and off we went. The man, who was about 30 and quite well muscled, kept giving me different directions as we drove south. It soon became apparent to me that his true intent was to rob me. For some reason, I was not afraid. I can't tell you to this day why I wasn't. Soon after I had this feeling, I felt the Spirit as strongly as I have ever felt it. Within about 1/2 second, the man said that he wanted to be let out of the car, and spotting a 7-11, asked to be let out there. As he went to get out of the car, he said Weren't you scared? Why he asked that, I don't know. For some reason, I replied No. I have the Priesthood. I must have been prompted to say that, for otherwise, I have no idea where it came from. Anyway, the three of us talked for about 15 minutes, and we parted on very friendly terms. Was this event for me? For them? For all of us? Was it a miracle? I think that many would think that this manifestation of the Spirit, which was observable and confirmed by both believer and non-believer, falls into that class of events. All I know is that I received proof positive, after I already knew what the truth was. To me, that is a miracle. Jon / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Miracles (was: Mars
And Chet - what was the effect of the miracles you cited on the faith you enjoy? I suspect that your faith was strengthed by the manifestations of Gods love and interest in your daughter. Mine is when I read or am involved in a manifestation of the power of God and His interest in me and mine. George - Original Message - From: Chet Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: [ZION] Miracles (was: Mars Continuing the line of discussion that George nicely began: Classic miracles, in my bumble opinion, are less impressive to the 21st century human. There was a hilarious re-telling of a 1960 comic story (the JLA origin, if anyone's interested) in which one of the main characters, a Martian, finds his cover blown. Instead of the 1959/1960 panic from the crowd, the 1990 version crowd wondered if Spielberg was making a movie. The miracles which impress me, even after 13 years in the Church, aren't the ones which can be reproduced with technology. It's when I see a human heart softened, a mind opened. If any of you knew how stubborn I was in opposition to organized religion (and there's some debate whether we behave as if we're organized) you'd think I had a personality transplant -- as many of my old friends DO think. These sort of things leave me more awestruck than, for example, seeing my daughter's twisted back straightened by 40+% (with no medical treatment) right after she received her endowments. (Mind you, I'm extremely grateful and impressed.) What miracles seem miraculous to you? *jeep! --Chet Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible, and suddenly you are doing the impossible. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
