Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:01:04 -0500 Valerie Nielsen Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You made me smile, Paul. When I read your comment, my mind raced to > Mormon Doctrine 20+ years ago, when McConkie said that the great > and > abominable church was the Catholic church, and how he had to soften > his > blow and retract that in later editions. Maybe the JW's did the > same > thing. Or else it isn't listed in the pamphlet for public school > teachers ;-) > On that topic, does anyone think that maybe McConkie was on the > right > track? What with all the scandal in the Catholic church today?? > Just wondering ;-) The Church is pretty sugar coaty these days and won't say anything bad about other churches or any one for that matter, except for child molesters and wife abusers. You have to go to the Book of Mormon to get the dirt on the Catholic church. Bruce R. McConkie was right about the Catholic church and with it goes all the rest. I suppose when President Monson becomes Church President (we have so many Presidents in this Church) that the sugar coating will get a lot thicker. Thicker and thicker until you can lick em like lolly pop. :-)) What do you think JWR? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays
No, I'm not sure about that. For one thing, they weren't the ones who started it. The Apostasy grew and they were one of its offshoots. Stacy. At 05:01 PM 08/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: You made me smile, Paul. When I read your comment, my mind raced to Mormon Doctrine 20+ years ago, when McConkie said that the great and abominable church was the Catholic church, and how he had to soften his blow and retract that in later editions. Maybe the JW's did the same thing. Or else it isn't listed in the pamphlet for public school teachers ;-) On that topic, does anyone think that maybe McConkie was on the right track? What with all the scandal in the Catholic church today?? Just wondering ;-) val On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:24:39 -0500 Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:10:05 -0500 Valerie Nielsen Williams > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Well Paul, I had not heard the one about evil kings celebrating > > birthdays > > vis a vis birthdays are bad, but I have had a couple of students > in > > my > > Well, That is what I read in a JW pamphlet over 20 years ago. > > Paul O > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 08/19/2003 -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays
You made me smile, Paul. When I read your comment, my mind raced to Mormon Doctrine 20+ years ago, when McConkie said that the great and abominable church was the Catholic church, and how he had to soften his blow and retract that in later editions. Maybe the JW's did the same thing. Or else it isn't listed in the pamphlet for public school teachers ;-) On that topic, does anyone think that maybe McConkie was on the right track? What with all the scandal in the Catholic church today?? Just wondering ;-) val On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:24:39 -0500 Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:10:05 -0500 Valerie Nielsen Williams > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Well Paul, I had not heard the one about evil kings celebrating > > birthdays > > vis a vis birthdays are bad, but I have had a couple of students > in > > my > > Well, That is what I read in a JW pamphlet over 20 years ago. > > Paul O > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:10:05 -0500 Valerie Nielsen Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well Paul, I had not heard the one about evil kings celebrating > birthdays > vis a vis birthdays are bad, but I have had a couple of students in > my Well, That is what I read in a JW pamphlet over 20 years ago. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays
Well Paul, I had not heard the one about evil kings celebrating birthdays vis a vis birthdays are bad, but I have had a couple of students in my classes who are JW. They actually have a pamphlet to give to teachers of public schools on having a JW child in a classroom. The reason listed there is that they only celebrate Jehovah/Jesus--but not at Christmas. It is supposed to be an all-the-time thing. The young man I have right now will stand for the pledge, but will not say it. He looks at something else while he is standing there. One gal was in my g/t classes for 3 years, and any party the kids wanted to have, she could not participate in. We made turkey cookies once for Thanksgiving, and she, instead, made a brown and orange flower. When she was in 6th grade, her mother wouldn't let her even stay in my LA class as we read Dickens' "A Christmas Carol"--simply because it had the word Christmas in the title. Her parents lavished gifts on her all the time, but she was so screwed up in the head, they finally had to send her to private school. She was in counseling most of her middle school years. She wanted so bad to be a part of the "norm". I always felt sorry for her. Still do. On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:38:37 -0500 Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:52:13 -0500 Stacy Smith > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > > Hi. This is something I wasn't taught by the missionaries. I > guess > > they > > didn't feel it was necessary to mention it. I'm curious why the > > Jehovah's > > Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays but we feel it is okay. > > Apparently > > they claim they have a Biblical reason not to do so. Yet we > > celebrate > > them. I noticed this because the latest news always says when > > President > > Hinckley or Thomas S. Monson, etc., celebrate their birthdays. > I'm > > really > > curious about justifications or the lack of for celebrations of > > birthdays. > > > > Stacy. > > > Two fold. Accounts of birthday celebrations in the Bible are Pharoah > & > Harod and since they were wicked-- birthdays are bad! > > Also, there is a Bible verse that talks about how we should only > honor > God. Birthdays are bad because they honor people when all honor > should > only go to God. > > Isn't that just stupid? > > Paul O > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > / / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > > .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays
How stupid? I'm not sure of your point. Stacy. At 03:38 PM 08/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:52:13 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi. This is something I wasn't taught by the missionaries. I guess > they > didn't feel it was necessary to mention it. I'm curious why the > Jehovah's > Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays but we feel it is okay. > Apparently > they claim they have a Biblical reason not to do so. Yet we > celebrate > them. I noticed this because the latest news always says when > President > Hinckley or Thomas S. Monson, etc., celebrate their birthdays. I'm > really > curious about justifications or the lack of for celebrations of > birthdays. > > Stacy. Two fold. Accounts of birthday celebrations in the Bible are Pharoah & Harod and since they were wicked-- birthdays are bad! Also, there is a Bible verse that talks about how we should only honor God. Birthdays are bad because they honor people when all honor should only go to God. Isn't that just stupid? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 08/19/2003 -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:52:13 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi. This is something I wasn't taught by the missionaries. I guess > they > didn't feel it was necessary to mention it. I'm curious why the > Jehovah's > Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays but we feel it is okay. > Apparently > they claim they have a Biblical reason not to do so. Yet we > celebrate > them. I noticed this because the latest news always says when > President > Hinckley or Thomas S. Monson, etc., celebrate their birthdays. I'm > really > curious about justifications or the lack of for celebrations of > birthdays. > > Stacy. Two fold. Accounts of birthday celebrations in the Bible are Pharoah & Harod and since they were wicked-- birthdays are bad! Also, there is a Bible verse that talks about how we should only honor God. Birthdays are bad because they honor people when all honor should only go to God. Isn't that just stupid? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
