Re: Wargaming (was Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated)

2002-10-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 18:33 10/3/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: There's a real-life precedent for your scenario: Napoleon's invasion of Russia, and that was just the Priepsky Marshes that he had to navigate. Territory and weather were major causes of the Nazi failure in their attempt at invading Russia, too. Yes,

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-04 Thread Scott McGee
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:06:31 -0600, Tom Matkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: virtual breath. Anyway I'm guessing the acronym is Masticate your own beans. No! Were we not discussing food storage and such? It goes with that: Make Your Own Bread! It is good advice for those who stored a lot of wheat,

Re: Wargaming (was Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated)

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Scott McGee wrote: Mark, Sorry, I misread your post. You said a list of countries who could, and I read it as a list of countries who would like to. My apologies. I was repeatedly interupted yesterday while trying to read my mail (ok, I was trying to read my mail while working on

Re: Wargaming (was Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated)

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: Actually, I think that there is a realistic way for Mexico to invade Canada, to see if Canada's entire 55,000 member armed forces could beat the Mexican army. Since the US already lets the Mexican army come onto Indian lands in Arizona to protect the drug smugglers, the

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Although, with Stephen's caricaturism in mind, I should admit that being every bit as human as you all are, if we could, we'd be every bit as well, whatever you want to call it, as you are, if you get my drift. It's just human nature, the natural man at work. John W. Redelfs wrote: At 12:15

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Who cares. What I want to know is if we'll ever find out what really happened to Elvis. Is that covered by the 9th AoF? John W. Redelfs wrote: At 06:43 PM 10/2/02 -0500 Paul Osborne favored us with: I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all on this list who think

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Stephen Beecroft wrote: -Stephen- Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them! -Marc- Your caricature does not accurately represent what I wrote. I think it does, more or less. Your implication has been that Canada's problems originate with the US, More

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them! -Marc- Your caricature does not accurately represent what I wrote. -Stephen- I think it does, more or less. Your implication has been that Canada's problems originate with the US, -Marc- More accurate: your

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:25 10/2/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy problems. Make your own beer Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 18:02 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: But we're vastly outnumbered by caribou. I'm thinking that if the aliens are really smart, they'll assume that caribous are the sentient species, and we're just advanced prairie dogs. Besides, they'd be looking for Elvis, and Wawa, Ontario, is the last

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 07:36 AM 10/3/02 -0400 Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy problems. Make your own beer Mind Your Own Business --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER:

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 05:16 10/3/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: Mind Your Own Business --JWR Sorry! 8)) Till the penitent / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-John- A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy problems. Make your own beer Mind Your Own Business --JWR Seems unnecessarily harsh. Poor Till was just trying to clarify the meaning of the acronym -- and this is a discussion list, after all. Stephen the

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Tom Matkin
-John- A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy problems. Make your own beer Mind Your Own Business --JWR Seems unnecessarily harsh. Poor Till was just trying to clarify the meaning of the acronym -- and this is a discussion list, after all.

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Mark Gregson
Canada would beg for US assistance if their country was under attack by aliens from outer space. It could happen. I don't think you are trying to be serious, but if aliens ever attacked, it would be the US asking Canada for a safe place to hide. If Canada were being attacked there'd be

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:06 10/3/2002 -0600, Uncle Presidente wrote: On the other hand, and it pains me to say this because no one is more to be admired than the venerable Till, but still, I have to say it... Wasn't it the Till who first introduced alcohol into the discussion? That never helps in civil discourse.

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Mark Gregson
list consists of exactly no one. It used to consist of the Soviet Union, which would absolutely have loved to own Canada the way it owned eastern Europe, and would doubtless have invaded had they believed they had any chance whatsoever of success. --- That's just the point. Had

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Scott McGee
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:41:02 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: At 11:24 10/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: Oh, they have wolves in Provo, too. They stand at the bottom of the long ramp up to southern campus and hand out anti-Mormon tracts. Till thought the wolves in Provo were

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Mark Gregson
Currently, I think you're probably correct. For now. Will that be the situation tomorrow? Are Canadians righteous and God-fearing enough to stand alone against the world, if it comes to that? Will God fight your battles for you? -- No, I'm afraid the Canadians are not

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Stephen Beecroft wrote: You are my perception. Hey, that could be a Carly Simon song... So far as I know, the entire world and all its people don't even exist, except in my fevered imagination. But I think my perception is at least reasonably justified in this case, based on exchanges

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Dan R Allen
Mark: If, however, you are making an oblique reference to the fall of nukes, well, what good would it do to ask for US assistance? The damage would already be done. And the US couldn't stop the missiles in any case. NMD will not work and will not be built. Dan: Actually, it would work,

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Dan R Allen
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:41:02 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: At 11:24 10/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: Oh, they have wolves in Provo, too. They stand at the bottom of the long ramp up to southern campus and hand out anti-Mormon tracts. Till thought the wolves in Provo were

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I dunno, I kind of like the North Korean translation, Stim-kim-ah-lim-boh, which phonentically spells out an acronym meaning fragrant asparagus stem of revenge against running dog imperialists Stephen Beecroft wrote: -John- A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Scott McGee
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:37:27 +, Stephen Beecroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: -Marc- Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. NEWS: Canada kills enemies in

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Newfound is chock full of names like this, the best example of which I can't give because it would break the charter (but it's an ironic name, given that a former Playmate, Shannon Tweed, comes from this town). But some other examples I can think of are Channel-port-aux-Basques, Rose Blanche

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. -Stephen- NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. NEWS: Canada kills enemies in Afghanistan, supports Iraq invasion MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Scott McGee
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 06:35:09 +0800, Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all on this list who think that Canada needs the US to protect it: Please send me a list of Canada's enemies who could invade Canada. Your list will

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Thanks, Scott -- you've summarized my views very well, and succinctly. Scott McGee wrote: Hmm, he did agree with John that there was NO honorable nation on earth, so that implies that Canada is corrupt too. In fact, he criticized Canada for following the same policies he disagrees with the

Re: Wargaming (was Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated)

2002-10-03 Thread Dan R Allen
Mark: But that's just what I refuse to do: concede that any country can do an overseas invasion of Canada. You have heard of wargaming. I mean the real stuff done by the military, not the Saturday afternoon fantasies of teenage boys. Do a wargame of an overseas invasion of Canada. You

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Dan R Allen wrote: Mark: If, however, you are making an oblique reference to the fall of nukes, well, what good would it do to ask for US assistance? The damage would already be done. And the US couldn't stop the missiles in any case. NMD will not work and will not be built.

Re: Wargaming (was Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated)

2002-10-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
There's a real-life precedent for your scenario: Napoleon's invasion of Russia, and that was just the Priepsky Marshes that he had to navigate. Territory and weather were major causes of the Nazi failure in their attempt at invading Russia, too. Mark Gregson wrote: So, in conclusion, I

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 19:02 10/1/2002 -0800, JWR wrote: Yeah, its real nice to know that you Canadians are real killers slaughtering people half way around the word. It must make you feel great. --JWR Just rogue wolves wandered from the Boreal Forest, eh? Till

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 07:01 AM 10/2/02 -0400 Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: Yeah, its real nice to know that you Canadians are real killers slaughtering people half way around the word. It must make you feel great. --JWR Just rogue wolves wandered from the Boreal Forest, eh? I love and have a deep

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Mark Gregson
Yuko? How long have you been posing as Marc? In any case, I'm glad to see it really was the US's fault, after all. For a brief moment, I feared that perhaps some other country besides the US had to grapple with possible failings in moral matters. --- We are a peaceful,

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Jon Spencer
Yea, John, give them thar Canadians a break, eh? Frankly, I would rather that they slaughter the criminals over there, rather than have more come over here and slaughter more of us. Besides, with the mighty armed services that Canada has (a TOTAL of 55,000), they couldn't even muster up another

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 12:14 PM 10/2/02 -0400 Jon Spencer favored us with: I guess Canada is just dependent upon the US to protect them if anyone is ever wacked out enough to attack Canada. Cretan (I meant it that way) must believe that we will protect him even after he badmouths us as he does, and he must depend

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Jon Spencer
John W. Redelfs wrote: I'll bet they could whip the Mexican army if they were to invade. grin --JWR Now perhaps here is where you and I may agree. However, given that the Mexican army is invading Arizona quite successfully on an ongoing basis, maybe they might night win. Jon

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Paul Osborne
I'll bet they could whip the Mexican army if they were to invade. grin --JWR Boy, you are really on a roll these days. grin I thought I was really bad at kicking the beehive. I guess I've met my match! Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:24 10/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: Oh, they have wolves in Provo, too. They stand at the bottom of the long ramp up to southern campus and hand out anti-Mormon tracts. Till thought the wolves in Provo were the RM's prowling for mates .

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. Let me put it this way, though: we pay a higher cost for the moral high ground -- look at the reaction of people like Cousin Bill to Chr├ętien's caution about going to war with Iraq. It's a simple fact of geopolitics that the US has substantial

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: Yea, John, give them thar Canadians a break, eh? Frankly, I would rather that they slaughter the criminals over there, rather than have more come over here and slaughter more of us. We know the feeling. At least we don't give immigration visas to dead applicants like

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Dan R Allen
Dan writes, The Church is certainly _trying_ to make this easier; Have they started talking about the prepackaged food kits in your area yet? --- Sandy: I've heard of pre-packaged food kits, especially along the lines of MRE's, but they're usually produced or distributed by a third party

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. NEWS: Canada kills enemies in Afghanistan, supports Iraq invasion MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. Now

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Stephen Beecroft wrote: -Marc- Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. NEWS: Canada kills enemies in Afghanistan, supports Iraq invasion MARC: Just goes to

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Mark Gregson
I get it, but as I explained, it's not a level playing field, morally speaking. No part of Zion has lived up to the contract in Ether and we're all corrupt. Much as we would love to take a higher ground, it is too expensive for us. We *could* do it, but your government's actions make it more

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Mark Gregson wrote: I get it, but as I explained, it's not a level playing field, morally speaking. No part of Zion has lived up to the contract in Ether and we're all corrupt. Much as we would love to take a higher ground, it is too expensive for us. We *could* do it, but your

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Paul Osborne
I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all on this list who think that Canada needs the US to protect it: Canada would beg for US assistance if their country was under attack by aliens from outer space. It could happen. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- No part of Zion has lived up to the contract in Ether and we're all corrupt. Much as we would love to take a higher ground, it is too expensive for us. Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them! -Marc- My reasoning is that we are being hammered enough by US

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
But we're vastly outnumbered by caribou. I'm thinking that if the aliens are really smart, they'll assume that caribous are the sentient species, and we're just advanced prairie dogs. Besides, they'd be looking for Elvis, and Wawa, Ontario, is the last place they'd think of looking. Paul Osborne

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Stephen Beecroft wrote: -Marc- No part of Zion has lived up to the contract in Ether and we're all corrupt. Much as we would love to take a higher ground, it is too expensive for us. Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them! Your caricature does not

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 12:15 PM 10/2/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with: We don't paint targets on our chest like the US has a tendency to do. That is exactly what the USA does, and I don't understand it. Why deliberately make enemies around the world unnecessarily? A little MYOB would go a long way to

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 06:43 PM 10/2/02 -0500 Paul Osborne favored us with: I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all on this list who think that Canada needs the US to protect it: Canada would beg for US assistance if their country was under attack by aliens from outer space. It could

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them! -Marc- Your caricature does not accurately represent what I wrote. I think it does, more or less. Your implication has been that Canada's problems originate with the US, and that any of Canada's perhaps

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-01 Thread Dan R Allen
This should be a simple commandment to keep, like tithing Paul: It may be a simple commandment but it is NOT easy for all of us. Some of us really struggle with the law of tithing. I think you know that. I was just being picky. ;-) Dan: The Church is certainly _trying_ to make this easier;

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-01 Thread hkpage
By the way, Paul...it is GREAT to see you back on the list! Heidi the fair [Original Message] From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/30/2002 8:40:26 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated Why are we (I include myself in that) latter-day

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-01 Thread Paul Osborne
Dan: The Church is certainly _trying_ to make this easier; Have they started talking about the prepackaged food kits in your area yet? Nope. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-01 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 06:05 PM 10/1/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Maybe better food is why our special forces killed more Taliban than your special forces did in Afghanistan over the past six months even though your group is 4 times the size of ours (1300 vs 300)* ;-) Yeah, its real nice to know

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-01 Thread Rick Mathis
At 05:11 PM 10/1/2002 -0500, Paul wrote: Dan: The Church is certainly _trying_ to make this easier; Have they started talking about the prepackaged food kits in your area yet? Nope. Our branch had a food storage party at the Medford cannery last month. For $27.22 (that's US dollars, Marc)

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-01 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I never know whether to feel proud or ashamed. Our problem these days is we are gradually losing our sovereignty to the U.S. and are becoming prisoners of your foreign policy. We don't have a lot of choice -- sometimes you just have to play a bad hand the best you can. That's why I was so

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-09-30 Thread Paul Osborne
Why are we (I include myself in that) latter-day saints so reluctant to get our year's supply of food? Not JWR. I have seen his stash. He is loaded with grain! When I visited him in Alaska I told him he may need a gun to protect his stock but he said he has so much he is willing to feed his