Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-28 Thread George Cobabe
Paul, I have never really been active on the message boards.  It is the
closed FAIR list where I spend most of my time.  I am not aware of when or
how you were kicked off or brought back, but I do know there is some
discussion of the value of the message boards, but more because of the
anti's that get on and cause disenstion among the participants.

George
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Subject: Re: [ZION] error?


>
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:18:44 -0600 (GMT-06 George Cobabe
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > Paul, I have not seen anyone on the FAIR list called truth.
> > Everyone that posts there uses a real (???) name rather than some
> > sort of code word.  Are you sure you are speaking of the FAIR list
> > or the FAIR message boards.  The one is open to all the other is a
> > closed list.  I suspect you are referring to the message boards,
> > rather than the FAIR list.
> >
> > George
>
>
> Oh, of course, it's the FAIR message board where I first met you, George.
> After I got booted several people begged to have me brought back and
> there was really quite a discussion about it. Since I have 4 computers in
> my house and two internet servers it wasn't much problem getting back on.
> I've been nice and am trying to learn new ways in dealing with people.
>
> Paul O
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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-28 Thread Stacy Smith
I decided to add an addendum reply onto this message.  I am indeed sorry to 
hear that the church is just announcing or seeming to announce that the 
papyri was indeed a funeral text.  I also understand that not all the 
papyri can be traced because some of it was burned.  It could be that 
Joseph Smith was translating from that, right?  But this may indeed stir up 
anti-Mormon sentiment.

Stacy.

At 08:51 AM 09/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:


On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 06:36:22 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I thought you were an apologist.
>
> Stacy.
Yes, in a manner of speaking. I do have website called, "My Attack on
antiMormonism"  http://www.myegyptology.net/file/home.htm which I do just
for fun.
I mainly concentrate on BofA apologetics and have had many debates and
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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-28 Thread Stacy Smith
Hey, I like your site and will continue to look at it when I have 
time.  For the article on blood atonement I would also suggest adding 
passages from the Old Testament where it was commanded to kill the 
offenders.  Talk about Korah, Dathan and Abiram.  (Excuse spelling.)  Talk 
about other incidents.  Also remind people that the law of capital 
punishment is in effect in some states still and was definitely 
countenanced by God in the Bible.

Stacy.

At 08:51 AM 09/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:


On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 06:36:22 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I thought you were an apologist.
>
> Stacy.
Yes, in a manner of speaking. I do have website called, "My Attack on
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for fun.
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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-28 Thread Paul Osborne

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 06:36:22 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I thought you were an apologist.
> 
> Stacy.

Yes, in a manner of speaking. I do have website called, "My Attack on
antiMormonism"  http://www.myegyptology.net/file/home.htm which I do just
for fun.

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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-28 Thread Stacy Smith
I thought you were an apologist.

Stacy.

At 08:10 AM 09/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:


On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:01:07 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Nothing yet.  I only read chapter 1 and 2 of SHADOW OR REALITY and I
> wasn't
> too impressed with their arguments but I admit it would have been
> difficult
> to exactly write a response.  Most of it sounded rather silly to
> me.
>
> Stacy.
The only antiMormon book I have read in its entirety is Charles Larson's
"by his own hand upon papyrus" which I thought was pretty well done and I
don't blame his position at all due to the controversial problems
associated with the coming forth of the Book of Abraham translation.
Other than that, I've poked around a little bit with some anti junk-- but
not too much.
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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-28 Thread Paul Osborne

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:18:44 -0600 (GMT-06 George Cobabe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Paul, I have not seen anyone on the FAIR list called truth.  
> Everyone that posts there uses a real (???) name rather than some 
> sort of code word.  Are you sure you are speaking of the FAIR list 
> or the FAIR message boards.  The one is open to all the other is a 
> closed list.  I suspect you are referring to the message boards, 
> rather than the FAIR list.
> 
> George


Oh, of course, it's the FAIR message board where I first met you, George.
After I got booted several people begged to have me brought back and
there was really quite a discussion about it. Since I have 4 computers in
my house and two internet servers it wasn't much problem getting back on.
I've been nice and am trying to learn new ways in dealing with people.

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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-28 Thread Paul Osborne

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:01:07 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Nothing yet.  I only read chapter 1 and 2 of SHADOW OR REALITY and I 
> wasn't 
> too impressed with their arguments but I admit it would have been 
> difficult 
> to exactly write a response.  Most of it sounded rather silly to 
> me.
> 
> Stacy.


The only antiMormon book I have read in its entirety is Charles Larson's
"by his own hand upon papyrus" which I thought was pretty well done and I
don't blame his position at all due to the controversial problems
associated with the coming forth of the Book of Abraham translation. 

Other than that, I've poked around a little bit with some anti junk-- but
not too much.

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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread George Cobabe

Paul, I have not seen anyone on the FAIR list called truth.  Everyone that posts there 
uses a real (???) name rather than some sort of code word.  Are you sure you are 
speaking of the FAIR list or the FAIR message boards.  The one is open to all the 
other is a closed list.  I suspect you are referring to the message boards, rather 
than the FAIR list.

George

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Sent: Sep 27, 2003 8:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ZION] error?


On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:47:14 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I don't remember.  Are you on FAIR or affiliated with them?
> 
> Stacy.
> 

I got booted from FAIR but have since returned under the name of Truth
and they are allowing me too stay because I am being nicer and not
shoving Bruce R. McConkie down their throats.

FAIR doesn't like me because I don't follow the paradigm set up by FARMS
scholars about the controversies of the Book of Abraham papyrus and have
set up my own website that comprehensively establishes a new paradigm
with a fresh approach. My site, Symbolism of the Book of Abraham has just
reached the 5,000 hit mark!

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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Stacy Smith
Nothing yet.  I only read chapter 1 and 2 of SHADOW OR REALITY and I wasn't 
too impressed with their arguments but I admit it would have been difficult 
to exactly write a response.  Most of it sounded rather silly to me.

Stacy.

At 10:33 PM 09/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:


On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:25:24 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Well, can you answer me another question which I am very curious
> about?
I have not read either of the Godmaker books. I'm careful not to read to
much antiMormon material because it is depressing and does not edify at
all.
What specifically are you asking, referring to the Tanners?

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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Paul Osborne

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:25:24 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Well, can you answer me another question which I am very curious 
> about?  

I have not read either of the Godmaker books. I'm careful not to read to
much antiMormon material because it is depressing and does not edify at
all. 

What specifically are you asking, referring to the Tanners? 

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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Stacy Smith
Well, can you answer me another question which I am very curious 
about?  You know that many years ago the book and film THE GOD MAKERS was 
aptly refuted by the book THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GOD MAKERS.  I liked the way 
in which this author did his refutation, even though I found fault with 
some of his arguments.  I liked the fact that he was willing to answer the 
book and film in detail rather than giving a superficial answer.  Why 
haven't the Tanners, to my knowledge, been refuted in exactly the same way, 
since probably every known anti-Mormon seems to get around to referring to 
them?

Maybe they have been in THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE but I haven't been able 
to read those books, which I think is a travesty, because I may never learn 
what is in those books.

Help me out here, please.

Stacy.

At 09:55 PM 09/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:


On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:47:14 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I don't remember.  Are you on FAIR or affiliated with them?
>
> Stacy.
>
I got booted from FAIR but have since returned under the name of Truth
and they are allowing me too stay because I am being nicer and not
shoving Bruce R. McConkie down their throats.
FAIR doesn't like me because I don't follow the paradigm set up by FARMS
scholars about the controversies of the Book of Abraham papyrus and have
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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Paul Osborne

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:47:14 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I don't remember.  Are you on FAIR or affiliated with them?
> 
> Stacy.
> 

I got booted from FAIR but have since returned under the name of Truth
and they are allowing me too stay because I am being nicer and not
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FAIR doesn't like me because I don't follow the paradigm set up by FARMS
scholars about the controversies of the Book of Abraham papyrus and have
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reached the 5,000 hit mark!

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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Stacy Smith
I don't remember.  Are you on FAIR or affiliated with them?

Stacy.

At 09:21 PM 09/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:


On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:16:56 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> This is very interesting.  It implies that God doesn't always correct
> error
> for his purposes.
>
> Stacy.
Something like that. I had to come up with something for my website. I've
been deep into this stuff for a good many years and this is one facet
that has been allusive to me but finally I have an answer that seems to
work for me. I thought I would share it although I generally don't
discuss these matters on this list because I need a place to go where I
don't have to mess with this stuff.  :-)
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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Paul Osborne

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:16:56 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> This is very interesting.  It implies that God doesn't always correct 
> error 
> for his purposes.
> 
> Stacy.

Something like that. I had to come up with something for my website. I've
been deep into this stuff for a good many years and this is one facet
that has been allusive to me but finally I have an answer that seems to
work for me. I thought I would share it although I generally don't
discuss these matters on this list because I need a place to go where I
don't have to mess with this stuff.  :-)

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Re: [ZION] error?

2003-09-27 Thread Stacy Smith
This is very interesting.  It implies that God doesn't always correct error 
for his purposes.

Stacy.

At 08:26 PM 09/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:

How does the lonely Mormon apologist, Paul Osborne, square with the fact
(based on evidence) that the prophet Joseph Smith incorrectly thought the
papyrus roll was genuine Abrahamic material when in fact it was not?
A fresh new perspective regarding this matter is now available for your
consideration and opponents of Mormonism need to keep up with the latest
arguments as also believing LDS need to consider alternative ways in
solving some of the more difficult questions with answers hanging
somewhere in limbo outside of the box. The Book of Abraham is true and
Joseph Smith was a prophet.
Could Joseph Smith been in Error?

http://www.myegyptology.net/file/id539.htm

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