Re: Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)

2003-07-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 01:11 PM 7/11/2003, Mark Gregson wrote:

 IIRC one of the very early (perhaps the first) Sherlock Holmes
 novels had a very anti storyline. Anyone out there who can either
 confirm or refute?
Yep, and I've read the novel.  A Study in Scarlet (1887).  The 
anti-Mormon stuff is not the focus of the book but prominence is given to 
the notion of avenging angels i.e. members who kill selected gentiles 
and apostates (cf. our earlier discussion about Danites).  Arthur Conan 
Doyle was merely reflecting current beliefs about the Church.

This website, http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_110.html
wants its readers to know that we are just as dangerous as we were in 
those scarlet times.  Sensationalism and gullibility are still best sellers.

=  Mark Gregson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  =
Hmmm. Somehow, even though I love books and am a voracious reader, Sir (he 
was knighted for his literary achievements some time after his first novel) 
Arthur Conan Doyle's works managed to  escape my attention. So, with my 
curiosity thoroughly piqued  I attempted to rectify that gap (at least 
partially) and read, _A Study In Scarlet: Being a Reprint from the 
Reminiscences of John H. Watson , M.D. , Late of the Army Medical 
Department_.  An electronic text version is available here:

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=DoyScar.sgmimages=images/modengdata=/texts/english/modeng/parsedtag=publicpart=all

In spite of its obvious antagonism against Brigham Young, polygamy and the 
Mormons, I greatly loved this novel.  A delightfully easy read (it is 
apparently geared towards young readers, whatever that may be) but with 
enough intellectual stimulation to keep it interesting.

I have to confess though that my interest waned somewhat when the story 
shifted from London to the Great Basin and Salt Lake City.  Even though 
Doyle used a common literary technique similar to the flashback, I found 
myself wishing that Doyle had used a more fluid method to connect the 
reader from the events in London to the events in the Great Basin.

At any rate, my interest again picked up and I enjoyed the rest of the 
story. I can see why Doyle's works became so popular. He has a way of 
writing which keeps your interest.

As for Doyle's anti-Mormonism, apparently Doyle apologized in later years 
for his obvious errors. Levi Edgar Young claimed that Doyle had apologized 
and that he had been misled by writings of the time about the Church. An 
interesting article about Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, his work, _A Study In 
Scarlet, and his apologetic attitude towards the Church  can be found here:

http://www.adherents.com/lit/article_Doyle.html



--
Steven Montgomery
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The overall performance of the college graduates in the Convention of 1787 
speaks forcefully for the proposition that Latin, rhetoric, philosophy, and 
mathematics can be a healthy fare for political heroes.Clinton Rossiter

//
///  ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at  ///
///  http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html  ///
/
==^
This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2
Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html
==^



Re: Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)

2003-07-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 02:49 PM 7/15/2003, Chet wrote:

*ASIS* didn't affect me nearly as much as the follow-up novel, *Sign of
Four* -- a rollicking adventure as well as a good mystery.  But if you
think that Conan Doyle later put his prejudices aside, you'll find he had
another set of scapegoats in the Masons.
Regardless, the Conan Doyle Holmes stories are epitomes of exciting
detective stories -- and I highly recommend *Hound of the Baskervilles*
as the best of the lot, a story that succeeds on several levels.
*jeep!
   --Chet
Ok, I'll read both of them and then report back grin. I need to read more 
fiction.



--
Steven Montgomery
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Senior Editor, The Constitutional Broadside Newsletter
http://www.thecbn.net
//
///  ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at  ///
///  http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html  ///
/
==^
This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2
Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html
==^



Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)

2003-07-11 Thread Mark Gregson

IIRC one of the very early (perhaps the first) Sherlock Holmes 
novels had a very anti storyline. Anyone out there who can either 
confirm or refute?
Yep, and I've read the novel.  A Study in Scarlet (1887).  The anti-Mormon stuff is not the focus of the book but prominence is given to the notion of avenging angels i.e. members who kill selected gentiles and apostates (cf. our earlier discussion about Danites).  Arthur Conan Doyle was merely reflecting current beliefs about the Church. 

This website, http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_110.html
wants its readers to know that we are just as dangerous as we were in those scarlet 
times.  Sensationalism and gullibility are still best sellers.
=  Mark Gregson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  =

--

http://www.operamail.com
Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year
Powered by Outblaze

//
///  ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at  ///
///  http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html  ///
/
==^
This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2
Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html
==^


Re: Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)

2003-07-11 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Speaking of interesting reading, what about the recently discovered
Truman Diary. . .this morning a quote was read where he basically
lambasted Jews, saying they had nothing on Hitler or Stalin when it comes
to harming other people.  Then he went on to say that any underdog who
rises to power forgets where he came from--including Jews, Russians,
Mormons etc. . .

val
in Mishawaka, Indiana
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:11:56 +0800 Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 
  IIRC one of the very early (perhaps the first) Sherlock Holmes 
 
  novels had a very anti storyline. Anyone out there who can either 
 
  confirm or refute?
 
 Yep, and I've read the novel.  A Study in Scarlet (1887).  The 
 anti-Mormon stuff is not the focus of the book but prominence is 
 given to the notion of avenging angels i.e. members who kill 
 selected gentiles and apostates (cf. our earlier discussion about 
 Danites).  Arthur Conan Doyle was merely reflecting current 
 beliefs about the Church. 
 
 This website, 
 http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_110.html
 wants its readers to know that we are just as dangerous as we were 
 in those scarlet times.  Sensationalism and gullibility are still 
 best sellers.
 
 =  Mark Gregson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  =
 
 -- 
 
 http://www.operamail.com
 Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year
 
 
 Powered by Outblaze
 

/
/
 ///  ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at  ///
 ///  http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html  ///

/

 
 
 


.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.
«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤


The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

//
///  ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at  ///
///  http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html  ///
/
==^
This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2
Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html
==^



Re: Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)

2003-07-11 Thread Stacy Smith
I'm surprised there isn't more anti-Mormon fiction, given all the 
nonfiction stuff there is out there.  Well, technically I guess it's all a 
fiction but it's not in a fictional form which would be quite interesting 
and laughable.

Stacy.

At 03:11 AM 07/12/2003 +0800, you wrote:


 IIRC one of the very early (perhaps the first) Sherlock Holmes
 novels had a very anti storyline. Anyone out there who can either
 confirm or refute?
Yep, and I've read the novel.  A Study in Scarlet (1887).  The 
anti-Mormon stuff is not the focus of the book but prominence is given to 
the notion of avenging angels i.e. members who kill selected gentiles 
and apostates (cf. our earlier discussion about Danites).  Arthur Conan 
Doyle was merely reflecting current beliefs about the Church.

This website, http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_110.html
wants its readers to know that we are just as dangerous as we were in 
those scarlet times.  Sensationalism and gullibility are still best sellers.

=  Mark Gregson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  =

--

http://www.operamail.com
Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year
Powered by Outblaze

//
///  ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at  ///
///  http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html  ///
/


---
Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 06/10/2003
//
///  ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at  ///
///  http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html  ///
/
==^
This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2
Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE!
http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html
==^