Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Jerry Jelinek
Devin Ceartas wrote: Yikes! Seriously, no sparse zones? That wasn't in the Bible book I don't think. This is a pretty big deal! Is this list the best place to follow to learn such things? Yes, this has been discussed on this alias in the past. Also, Dan Price blogged about this here:

Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Jerry Jelinek
gz wrote: Double Yiekes!!. All my customers use an SOE of sparce zones (With Solaris 10 of course) so if that is really the case it will be a problem for them to migrate to OpenSolaris if/when that becomes neccessary. Something like this could have serious concequences down the track and

Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Hung-Sheng Tsao
guess is that the memory sharing benefits of sparse zones are relatively small in most cases. May be I am wrong here, it seems that with sparse zone and single binary for all zone there must be same memory sharing!!! On 05/18/09 09:59, Jerry Jelinek wrote: Devin Ceartas wrote: The problems

Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Jerry Jelinek
Hung-Sheng Tsao wrote: guess is that the memory sharing benefits of sparse zones are relatively small in most cases. May be I am wrong here, it seems that with sparse zone and single binary for all zone there must be same memory sharing!!! I don't know what single binary you are talking

Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Casper . Dik
I don't know what single binary you are talking about. If all of the sparse zones are running the same applications then there would sharing. If they are running different applications or even running common apps at different times, then there would be little sharing. The core OS daemons

Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Christine Tran
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Jerry Jelinek gerald.jeli...@sun.com wrote: Thanks for the write-up. It is helpful for us to know what peoples concerns are for the sparse vs. whole root configurations. Our application make and destroy zones as needed. We've built up a set of tools to

Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Jerry Jelinek
Steffen Weiberle wrote: I have been doing all on Solaris next testing using Nevada, as all the tools I know work, and my understanding of installation and configuration applies to that as well as Solaris 10. Now I am playing with 2009.06 and some 'simple' things don't work as expected. I

Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Jerry Jelinek
Christine Tran wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Jerry Jelinek gerald.jeli...@sun.com wrote: Thanks for the write-up. It is helpful for us to know what peoples concerns are for the sparse vs. whole root configurations. Our application make and destroy zones as needed. We've built up

Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Christine Tran
Installing from a repo is orthogonal to the sparse vs. whole root discussion. That is tracked as: 1947 Offline zone creation is impossible I'm not complaining, just describing what's important to me (and my shop) re:zones going forward. This thread started out as no sparse zone on OS, sorry

Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Steffen Weiberle
On 05/18/09 11:31, Jerry Jelinek wrote: Steffen Weiberle wrote: I have been doing all on Solaris next testing using Nevada, as all the tools I know work, and my understanding of installation and configuration applies to that as well as Solaris 10. Now I am playing with 2009.06 and some

Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Jerry Jelinek
Steffen Weiberle wrote: I originally could only imagine the reason for not doing the mounts when the zone is not booted is to avoid a huge set of ZFS mounts for zones that are not running. However, I see three ZFS file systems for a zone, and this is without any Live Upgrade (beadm) operation.

Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Devin Ceartas
Exactly the question I'm trying to answer. My current solution is multiple OpenBSD instanced in VMWare, and it works great, just wish I could get more instances per physical host. - devin On May 18, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Peter Tribble wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Jerry Jelinek

Re: [zones-discuss] pkg install AMP in a sparse zone

2009-05-18 Thread Bob Netherton
Solaris 10 with sparse root zones provides an excellent virtualization solution. If you want systems that are largely identical (but perhaps with different applications) then it's pretty much optimal, and very resource efficient. Agreed. The most efficient form of application stacking with

[zones-discuss] Upgrading solaris10 branded zones

2009-05-18 Thread Jerry Jelinek
I've been spending some time researching ideas for how we could upgrade Solaris 10 once its installed in a solaris10 branded zone on S.next. We won't need this capability until S10u9 is released, but I want to make sure we do whatever we need to do now in order to enable this for the future. I