Re: [zones-discuss] Somewhat unusual exclusive-IP type configuration needed

2008-11-12 Thread Joe Barbey
Steffen Weiberle wrote:
 On 10/20/08 10:58, Joe Barbey wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've got a situation that doesn't seem to be really covered in the 
 various docs I've read up to now.  I have a number of servers where I 
 want to do something like the following, if possible.  Any help would 
 be greatly appreciated.

 I would like to host a number of zones on a server, let's say an 
 m4000, but I want those zones to be on a different subnet than the 
 global.  So far, no problem: use exclusive-IP.  However, currently I 
 don't have enough NICs to give one each to all zones.  One thought I 
 had was a sort of mix of shared-IP and exclusive-IP.  Give a couple 
 of different zones the same NIC in exclusive-IP mode.  I haven't 
 tried it, but I'm fairly certain this won't work, as each zone will 
 try to control the NIC itself.

 http://blogs.sun.com/stw/entry/using_ip_instances_with_vlans

 This is with Solaris 10 8/07, to take advantage of IP Instanced 
 delivered in that update.

 Steffen

I'm responding to Steffen, but it really applies to you all.  Thanks!  
Using VLANs worked perfectly.  We ended up buying some quad gig NICs, 
but still had one or two zones that were without connection.  As they 
were QA or expected to be low bandwidth servers, I used VLANs an had 
them share a connection with the global. A quick re-config on the switch 
port, and all was well.

Thanks again for the suggestions!

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Re: [zones-discuss] Somewhat unusual exclusive-IP type configuration needed

2008-10-21 Thread Steffen Weiberle
On 10/20/08 10:58, Joe Barbey wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I've got a situation that doesn't seem to be really covered in the 
 various docs I've read up to now.  I have a number of servers where I 
 want to do something like the following, if possible.  Any help would be 
 greatly appreciated.
 
 I would like to host a number of zones on a server, let's say an m4000, 
 but I want those zones to be on a different subnet than the global.  So 
 far, no problem: use exclusive-IP.  However, currently I don't have 
 enough NICs to give one each to all zones.  One thought I had was a sort 
 of mix of shared-IP and exclusive-IP.  Give a couple of different zones 
 the same NIC in exclusive-IP mode.  I haven't tried it, but I'm fairly 
 certain this won't work, as each zone will try to control the NIC itself.

http://blogs.sun.com/stw/entry/using_ip_instances_with_vlans

This is with Solaris 10 8/07, to take advantage of IP Instanced 
delivered in that update.

Steffen

 My major concern is to get the global zone on one subnet, while the 
 non-globals will be at least one other subnet, possibly others.  Using 
 shared-IP, I know we had routing issues.  I can't remember if it was on 
 the global side or the local, but I know there were issues.  Perhaps 
 this has been fixed in more recent releases?
 
 We are currently running Solaris 10 08/2007.  At this point there 
 wouldn't really be time to move up to the latest release, though we use 
 UCE to patch the global up to date before we start building zones.
 
 Thanks for your help!
 

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Re: [zones-discuss] Somewhat unusual exclusive-IP type configuration needed

2008-10-20 Thread James Carlson
Joe Barbey writes:
 I would like to host a number of zones on a server, let's say an m4000, 
 but I want those zones to be on a different subnet than the global.  So 
 far, no problem: use exclusive-IP.  However, currently I don't have 
 enough NICs to give one each to all zones.

Use VLANs.  It'll work if you give each exclusive IP instance a
separate VLAN on an interface (or a small group of interfaces).

  One thought I had was a sort 
 of mix of shared-IP and exclusive-IP.  Give a couple of different zones 
 the same NIC in exclusive-IP mode.  I haven't tried it, but I'm fairly 
 certain this won't work, as each zone will try to control the NIC itself.

No, that won't work.  We discussed it during the development of the IP
Instances (exclusive stack) feature, but the project team considered
it to be too complex at least for the initial version.  Exclusive is
just that: exclusive of all other zones on the system.

 My major concern is to get the global zone on one subnet, while the 
 non-globals will be at least one other subnet, possibly others.  Using 
 shared-IP, I know we had routing issues.  I can't remember if it was on 
 the global side or the local, but I know there were issues.  Perhaps 
 this has been fixed in more recent releases?

As long as you have distinct destinations for the traffic, that can be
made to work with shared stack instances, but you're right that it's
always been a bit problematic.  It wasn't the design center for the
original Kevlar/Zones project: all zones were expected to go on a
common set of subnets.

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Re: [zones-discuss] Somewhat unusual exclusive-IP type configuration needed

2008-10-20 Thread Nicolas Dorfsman

Le 20 oct. 08 à 16:58, Joe Barbey a écrit :

 I've got a situation that doesn't seem to be really covered in the
 various docs I've read up to now.  I have a number of servers where I
 want to do something like the following, if possible.  Any help  
 would be
 greatly appreciated.

It's not so unusual. But it's not correctly covered.

 My major concern is to get the global zone on one subnet, while the
 non-globals will be at least one other subnet, possibly others.  Using
 shared-IP, I know we had routing issues.  I can't remember if it was  
 on
 the global side or the local, but I know there were issues.  Perhaps
 this has been fixed in more recent releases?

The only answer today is exclusive-IP.  As James suggest, you may use  
VLANs if you switch is able to let you send tagged packet to it.

I didn't experience the new default route option in zone  
configuration...anyway it's only beginning with u5 and you're using u4.

Anyway, if you have multiple subnet used for you local zone, the best  
bet is is to use VLAN-tagging.  Default routers and circular use of  
them in the global zone become quickly a nightmare.


Nicolas
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