Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-13 Thread Jerry Jelinek
Mike Gerdts wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Jerry Jelinek gerald.jeli...@sun.com wrote: Mike Gerdts wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Jerry Jelinek gerald.jeli...@sun.com wrote: The native brand installer will accept the following new arguments: -a {path} - specifies a

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-13 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Jerry Jelinek gerald.jeli...@sun.com wrote: Mike Gerdts wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Jerry Jelinek gerald.jeli...@sun.com wrote: Mike Gerdts wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Jerry Jelinek gerald.jeli...@sun.com wrote: The native brand

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-12 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Jerry Jelinek gerald.jeli...@sun.com wrote: The native brand installer will accept the following new arguments: -a {path} - specifies a path to an archive to unpack into the zone -d {path} - specifies a path to a tree of files as the source for the

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-12 Thread Jerry Jelinek
Mike Gerdts wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Jerry Jelinek gerald.jeli...@sun.com wrote: The native brand installer will accept the following new arguments: -a {path} - specifies a path to an archive to unpack into the zone -d {path} - specifies a path to a tree of files as

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-12 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Jerry Jelinek gerald.jeli...@sun.com wrote: Mike Gerdts wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Jerry Jelinek gerald.jeli...@sun.com wrote: The native brand installer will accept the following new arguments: -a {path} - specifies a path to an archive

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread James Carlson
Jerry Jelinek writes: 1) SMF services that are not usable within a zone should be deleted or disabled as necessary (for S8 and S9 we dealt with rc scripts instead). 2) Network configuration must be adjusted depending on if the zone is shared-stack or exclusive.

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Bill Walker
Tjere are some SMF services known to break when moving into a zone from a physical server. Things like sysevent, FMA-ish stuff, ldom manager, etc. (I don't have my notes in front of me, but I seem to remember around 4-5 from a SUNWall vanilla installation). Mostly stuff tied to the hardware

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Jerry Jelinek
Bill Walker wrote: Tjere are some SMF services known to break when moving into a zone from a physical server. Things like sysevent, FMA-ish stuff, ldom manager, etc. (I don't have my notes in front of me, but I seem to remember around 4-5 from a SUNWall vanilla installation). Mostly

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Jerry Jelinek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SUMMARY: This fast-track enhances the Solaris Zones [1] subsystem to address an existing RFE [2] requesting a physical to virtual (or p2v) capability for installing native-branded zones based on an existing

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread James Carlson
Jerry Jelinek writes: Can a user predict what these automatic changes will be? After import, is there a log of the changes or adjustments made? I assume you really mean which SMF services will be off, since the other changes are listed here in the case? Exactly. We can describe which

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Jerry Jelinek
Mike, Mike Gerdts wrote: The image modifications fall into the following areas: 1) SMF services that are not usable within a zone should be deleted or disabled as necessary (for S8 and S9 we dealt with rc scripts instead). This implies that the source system can be S8, S9,

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 10:14:26AM -0700, Jerry Jelinek wrote: Yes, not everything that runs in the global zone works in a non-global zone. NFS serving or non-global zones are the most obvious examples. For SMF services, the services to be deleted are the the ones delivered in SVr4 pkgs

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Jerry Jelinek
Nico, Nicolas Williams wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 10:14:26AM -0700, Jerry Jelinek wrote: Yes, not everything that runs in the global zone works in a non-global zone. NFS serving or non-global zones are the most obvious examples. For SMF services, the services to be deleted are the the

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:37:48PM -0500, James Carlson wrote: I am not planning on making any automated changes to the privileges available to the zone. If this turns out to be an important issue, then we could look at that as a possible future enhancement. The problem I see is that

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread James Carlson
Jerry Jelinek writes: Mike Gerdts wrote: This implies that the source system can be S8, S9, or S10. I don't see anywhere else in the proposal that explicitly states that S8 and S9 can be attached and upgraded, so I suspect I am reading my wishes into your words. That was not my

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Jerry Jelinek
James, James Carlson wrote: Jerry Jelinek writes: Mike Gerdts wrote: This implies that the source system can be S8, S9, or S10. I don't see anywhere else in the proposal that explicitly states that S8 and S9 can be attached and upgraded, so I suspect I am reading my wishes into your words.

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread James Carlson
Nicolas Williams writes: On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:37:48PM -0500, James Carlson wrote: I suppose it'd be possible to look through the SMF 'privileges' for the services that are still enabled, and then attempt to union those into the zone privileges ... but it's unclear if that's really the

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread James Carlson
Jerry Jelinek writes: James Carlson wrote: Update on attach just means apply saved patches, if any are needed, right? Not really. We see what pkgs are out of sync, either because of the pkg version of because of patches applied to those pkgs, then we do something similar to uninstalling

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Jerry Jelinek
James, James Carlson wrote: Jerry Jelinek writes: James Carlson wrote: Update on attach just means apply saved patches, if any are needed, right? Not really. We see what pkgs are out of sync, either because of the pkg version of because of patches applied to those pkgs, then we do

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:37 PM, James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think answering that would answer the previous poster's question about the difference between doing an upgrade before flar creation and just importing a flar from S9: the former results in a native zone using this new

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Jerry Jelinek
Mike, Mike Gerdts wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:37 PM, James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think answering that would answer the previous poster's question about the difference between doing an upgrade before flar creation and just importing a flar from S9: the former results in a

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread James Carlson
Jerry Jelinek writes: We can handle 'update on attach' from s10 to nv, although nv isn't an official release yet and something might happen which breaks this (maybe IPS?). We don't support 'update on attach' of s8 or s9, although I have played around with that and it kind of works. There

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Jerry Jelinek
James, James Carlson wrote: Jerry Jelinek writes: We can handle 'update on attach' from s10 to nv, although nv isn't an official release yet and something might happen which breaks this (maybe IPS?). We don't support 'update on attach' of s8 or s9, although I have played around with that

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread James Carlson
Jerry Jelinek writes: Since we (intentionally?) make branded zones available only for minor releases -- and not for individual KUs -- this means that the user should expect that he's forced into an upgrade of some sort that emulates patching when importing an S10 zone onto an S10 system.

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Jerry Jelinek
James, James Carlson wrote: Presumably, as a non-native zone, if such a thing existed, it would be expected to result in no upgrade-on-attach behavior. Right? Right, although the behavior is really dictated by the brand definition, so some sort of behavior could be defined for zone

Re: [zones-discuss] zone p2v proposal

2008-12-08 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 01:30:18PM -0500, James Carlson wrote: Nicolas Williams writes: On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:37:48PM -0500, James Carlson wrote: I suppose it'd be possible to look through the SMF 'privileges' for the services that are still enabled, and then attempt to union those