Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Oleg Broytmann wrote: Where do you intend on going? If there was something better out there you'd be humping its leg already. Thanks goodness, I am not using Zope on production servers. I use Zope only to experiments and understand the technology. Looked good until yesterday. This is

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martijn Pieters wrote: [snip] Now, please, can we stop this whole silly argument? Can't we talk about old terminal types or something, instead? That invocation only works on comp.lang.python. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-29 Thread Martijn Faassen
Paul Everitt wrote: [snip] As the person that made the decision, I can at least testify that no ulterior motives were behind it. Still, Zope is a community thing, and we here at DC need our heads bopped on a regular basis, lest we ever forget it. Consider our heads bopped. :^) And this

RE: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-26 Thread John Chandler
Actually, I'd like to see Zope interface with "more" languages (Java, C++ etc.) There are a number of areas that Python performs poorly (I'd prefer to write encryption algorithms in C, personally) and there are areas where Python performs very well (OO modelling). I think if people are

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-26 Thread Bill Anderson
Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote: [...] The sad fact of the matter is that there is more concern for people's personal welfare, than that of the project as a whole. When in fact, what is good for Zope is good for the community. Zope is open source, if you don't like Perl, and it morally

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-26 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On 25 May 2000, Roman Milner wrote: Here is why I'm bummed about this. Like other people who have posted - after years of coding perl for money, I have vowed never to do it again. (I find that it produces encourages unmaintainable code.) Also, I think my main marketable skill now is Zope.

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-26 Thread Andrew Kenneth Milton
+[ Oleg Broytmann ]- | | So, I believe this is enough reason for me to start considering other | web technologies for me, and my company. | |I am considering dismounting the Zope bandwagon, too :( It was good | techonology, but what will

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-26 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Sat, 27 May 2000, Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote: | So, I believe this is enough reason for me to start considering other | web technologies for me, and my company. | |I am considering dismounting the Zope bandwagon, too :( It was good | techonology, but what will come? Where do

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-26 Thread Karl Anderson
Ken Manheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 25 May 2000, Roman Milner wrote: Well, my point is that I don't think you will be able to ignore it. Your boss will give you a product to maintain that includes someone else's perl code - sooner or later. My boss isn't going to suddenly tell

[Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-25 Thread Roman Milner
Here is why I'm bummed about this. Like other people who have posted - after years of coding perl for money, I have vowed never to do it again. (I find that it produces encourages unmaintainable code.) Also, I think my main marketable skill now is Zope. So, were I to want to find a different

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-25 Thread Kevin Dangoor
- Original Message - From: "Roman Milner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:48 PM Subject: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed Here is why I'm bummed about this. Like other people who have posted - after years

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-25 Thread Roman Milner
"KD" == Kevin Dangoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: KD I think Zope offers a ton of features that I wouldn't want to KD give up. (And I've been watching what the other servers out KD there are doing, and I still appreciate the power given by KD Zope.) I don't question at all that

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-25 Thread Hannu Krosing
Kevin Dangoor wrote: I haven't heard of anyone standing up and saying "I'm not going to use Linux, because people might write tools in perl [or awk, or C, or lisp, or sh, or yacc or postscript, or ...]" Perhaps that's a better way to look at Zope... not as a python web application, but as

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-25 Thread Ken Manheimer
On 25 May 2000, Roman Milner wrote: Well, my point is that I don't think you will be able to ignore it. Your boss will give you a product to maintain that includes someone else's perl code - sooner or later. Since it is "part of zope" and you clearly "know zope" you should be able to

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-25 Thread Roman Milner
"KM" == Ken Manheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: KM I have some misgivings with this outlook. It sounds like KM people who seek job security by having expertise with a system KM that closes out unfamiliar options - whether the options are KM better or worse. I'm not in any way

RE: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-25 Thread Michael Oas
Actually, I'd like to see Zope interface with "more" languages (Java, C++ etc.) There are a number of areas that Python performs poorly (I'd prefer to write encryption algorithms in C, personally) and there are areas where Python performs very well (OO modelling). I think if people are upset

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-25 Thread Ken Manheimer
On 25 May 2000, Roman Milner wrote: "KM" == Ken Manheimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: KM I have some misgivings with this outlook. It sounds like KM people who seek job security by having expertise with a system KM that closes out unfamiliar options - whether the options are

Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: Perl For Zope - why I'm bummed

2000-05-25 Thread mindlace
Roman Milner wrote: For zope, you will just have to "know zope" - employers will see "zope" and a language just like parents see "understanding computers" as knowing how to fix their windows boxes :) I feel like I "know zope", but I don't have a deep understanding of python, or a