Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-09 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: The question is: what is easier to learn and to understand - DTML or ZPT? The correct answer is, of course, Twiddler ;-) http://www.simplistix.co.uk/software/python/twiddler Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting -

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-09 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 9. Januar 2007 07:47:28 + Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: The question is: what is easier to learn and to understand - DTML or ZPT? The correct answer is, of course, Twiddler ;-) http://www.simplistix.co.uk/software/python/twiddler Yes, you

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-09 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-1-8 19:08 +0100: ... The question is: what is easier to learn and to understand - DTML or ZPT? Can you explain the nonsense of the _ namespace in DTML to a newbie? Sure. There is only one caveat: that two positional arguments need to be passed for recursive calls of

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-09 Thread Maciej Wisniowski
As for me, I am lazy. ZPT does things in a way that few other frameworks do, although Ruby's Amrita2 sort of resembles ZPT. Displaying phantom text in a static page which will not be there dynamically is not superior to DTML. It is just more confusing. I have never learned ZPT well and I

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Winkler
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 08:31:29PM +0100, Maciej Wisniowski wrote: As for me, I am lazy. ZPT does things in a way that few other frameworks do, although Ruby's Amrita2 sort of resembles ZPT. Not really. It's more closely related to the Meld family (pymeld, pymeldlite, meld3), and to XMLC.

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-08 Thread JPenny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/08/2007 01:01:26 PM: Why (the hell) are you (still) using DTML (as newbie). You are strongly encouraged to use ZPT. My sense is that ZPT solves a problem which for most of us does not exist. If you wish to have designers work directly on markup in an HTML

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-08 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 8. Januar 2007 13:01:26 -0500 Mark, Jonathan (Integic) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why (the hell) are you (still) using DTML (as newbie). You are strongly encouraged to use ZPT. My sense is that ZPT solves a problem which for most of us does not exist. If you wish to have designers work

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-08 Thread John Schinnerer
Aloha, Mark, Jonathan (Integic) wrote: What does matter is that DTML is very similar to RHTML (as in Ruby On Rails), ASP, etc. ZPT requires a new way of thinking. I would much rather convert RHTML to or from DTML than to or from ZPT. So I don't really get the benefit of using ZPT. The fact