Re: [Zope-dev] SiteRoot and VHM
On Apr 7, 2005, at 1:45, Florent Guillaume wrote: After spending an hour helping someone debug a site that had an hidden SiteRoot somewhere that prevented a virtual host monster from working, it was suggested to me that if there's a virtual host monster, it should take precedence (and deactivates) any further SiteRoot. I think it's a good idea. Wouldn't that fall under Unexpected new behavior? VHMs have always been inert objects that don't do anything unless you specifically use the Mappings tab or you hand them magic URL path elements. That was their beauty as opposed to the dangerous SiteRoot. Now you propose adding magic. Magic is BAD, IMHO. -0 on the trunk, but -1 for any maintenance branch. jens ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] I want Zope 2.9 to use Zope 3's security architecture.
On Apr 7, 2005, at 6:50, Andreas Jung wrote: Even small modifications to the security machinery tend to end up in lots of problems. The latest prominent example: the changes introduced with Zope 2.7.3: It took two releases (until 2.7.5) and more than 6 months (at least in my memory) before everything worked again as it should... I don't know exactly to which changes do you refer. Either little people that this problem or people did not use these releases or people did not test enough or people did not contribute enough to fix this bug in time *wink*. This is probably in reference to some overeager security checks that caused login boxes in unexpected places. Jim and Tres fixed that for 2.7.5. I thought that problem was older than 2.7.3, though. jens ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] SiteRoot and VHM
Am Donnerstag, den 07.04.2005, 01:45 +0200 schrieb Florent Guillaume: After spending an hour helping someone debug a site that had an hidden SiteRoot somewhere that prevented a virtual host monster from working, it was suggested to me that if there's a virtual host monster, it should take precedence (and deactivates) any further SiteRoot. I think it's a good idea. Better yet, it should just display a warning (and change its icon/title or so) to display the problem and let the user decide the action to take. Regards Tino ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] SiteRoot and VHM
On Apr 7, 2005, at 9:08, Tino Wildenhain wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 07.04.2005, 01:45 +0200 schrieb Florent Guillaume: After spending an hour helping someone debug a site that had an hidden SiteRoot somewhere that prevented a virtual host monster from working, it was suggested to me that if there's a virtual host monster, it should take precedence (and deactivates) any further SiteRoot. I think it's a good idea. Better yet, it should just display a warning (and change its icon/title or so) to display the problem and let the user decide the action to take. That's an excellent idea, and one that I would +1 on all branches ;) jens ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: brain.getObject and traversal
Andreas Jung wrote: Chris wants to backport it to 2.7 x; I'm opposed. Your call. If it does not change the default behaviour we have in 2.7.5... why not... Cool, thanks, I'll look at merging for 2.7.6 :-) cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] I want Zope 2.9 to use Zope 3's security architecture.
Richard Jones wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 02:49 am, Jim Fulton wrote: Paul Winkler wrote: i.e. will I still write: security.declareProtected(SomePermission, 'foo') def foo(self): ... That will work, and I don't see a need to deprecate it. Eventually, though, I expect products to migrate to ZCML-based security declarations. Is this a general trend for Zope 2? I'd rather see Zope 2 kinda avoid ZCML if possible. It's just one of those personal preference things, I suppose, but I know I'm not the only one who isn't that enamored of the ZCML approach. I actually like having the declarations all in the python code like it is in Zope 2. As I said, I don't see a need to deprecate the Zope 2 style in this case. I think that most people who've tried it find they prefer having the security declarations separate. This is more compelling for Zope 3 code, which tends to have less Zope-isms to begin with, I'd like to see the declarative style that Zope 2 move to using decorators. I was sitting in a presentation at PyCon talking about MetaClasses, and I finally *got* them. I realised that the security declarations in Zope 2 are a perfect fit for metaclasses and decorators. If only I had the time to actually implement this dream ;) I don't see any use for metaclasses in making security declarations. For me, metaclasses (like proxies) are deep and powerful magic that should only be used when they are realy needed. Note that this all comes from the perspective of someone whose only exposure to Zope 3 has been through two sprints. I've not actually tried to develop any sort of application using it. My day job is very firmly fixed in Zope 2, and isn't likely to change for a long time. So I'm definitely speaking from ignorance of real-world application development in Zope 3. Fair enough. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope 2.8] Inclusion of ExtendedPathIndex?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: I wonder if it is of public interest to include the ExtendedPathIndex from Plone in Zope 2.8. It offers some the nice extension to limit the depth of the search and improves building navigation-trees or similar structures. Opinions? I doubt many folks on this list know the code that well. Are you thinking to lift the features you mention, making them part of the regular PathIndex? Also, what is the IP status of the code? Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zope Corporation Zope Dealers http://www.zope.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCVSDhGqWXf00rNCgRAklQAJ0WH6k23gjaEroC7MoTC1pN/kSaFQCeJ9vg GaRdPAEOYOa0D0eac17VmoQ= =ulEx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: SiteRoot and VHM
-1 for removing it. I think it's a cool feature :-) I like the ability to use a 'blank' SiteRoot (one with a blank base and path) in conjunction with an access rule to set request variables when I access my site in through a particular point (eg set the plone_skin variable when I access my site through /admin or force a particular language when I access my site through /language-name). This is in addition to using VHM and apache rewrite rules in the standard way. I guess this could be done with more complicated rewrite rules but then I become dependent on accessing the site trough apache and lose some flexibility. Laurence Florent Guillaume wrote: After spending an hour helping someone debug a site that had an hidden SiteRoot somewhere that prevented a virtual host monster from working, it was suggested to me that if there's a virtual host monster, it should take precedence (and deactivates) any further SiteRoot. I think it's a good idea. Should I create a patch ? Florent ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope 2.8] Inclusion of ExtendedPathIndex?
Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if it is of public interest to include the ExtendedPathIndex from Plone in Zope 2.8. It offers some the nice extension to limit the depth of the search and improves building navigation-trees or similar structures. Opinions? +1 if it's a separate new index (don't change the existing PathIndex). Does it provide a way of cataloging the ordering of children? Otherwise I don't see how you can build navigation tree using it (unless you don't care about ordering of course). Florent -- Florent Guillaume, Nuxeo (Paris, France) CTO, Director of RD +33 1 40 33 71 59 http://nuxeo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] I want Zope 2.9 to use Zope 3's security architecture.
Richard Jones wrote: [snip] Is this a general trend for Zope 2? I'd rather see Zope 2 kinda avoid ZCML if possible. The Five integration philosophy at least, is that it makes use of ZCML *possible* in Zope 2, but not at all mandatory. Five tries to mess with the innards of Zope 2 as much as possible, because it's complicated enough to add Zope 3 to Zope 2 already; we don't want to worry about changing Zope 2 (or Zope 3). Zope 2.9 has traditionally been seen as a version of Zope 2 where the innards *will* change to integrate deeper into Zope 3. Five's philosophy makes it impossible to do certain kinds of Zope 3 integration with Zope 2, such as security in particular. Though in fact I'm surprised how much *is* already possible given the limitations Five has; I think that's an interesting finding. Anyway, you might want to give Five a spin one day. Perhaps you'll change your mind about ZCML. Five introduces Zope 3 concepts more gradually to the Zope 2 hacker than Zope 3 itself, so it may be less overwhelming; Zope 3 certainly sometimes tends to overwhelm me, still. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope 2.8] Inclusion of ExtendedPathIndex?
--On Donnerstag, 7. April 2005 8:00 Uhr -0400 Tres Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I doubt many folks on this list know the code that well. Are you thinking to lift the features you mention, making them part of the regular PathIndex? Also, what is the IP status of the code? It extends the PathIndex and has a different behaviour. So making the functionality part of the existing PathIndex would break the exisiting behaviour therefore it should be included as second path index. The license is BSD or ZPL but not GPL :-) Andreas pgppabT3AU8Sz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] To ZCML or not ;-)
Richard Jones wrote: Is this a general trend for Zope 2? I'd rather see Zope 2 kinda avoid ZCML if possible. It's just one of those personal preference things, I suppose, but I know I'm not the only one who isn't that enamored of the ZCML approach. I actually like having the declarations all in the python code like it is in Zope 2. Am I right in thinking that the XML part of ZCML is layered over python functionality underneath? If so, how hard would it be to provide an alternative to the baroque XML? - the bit of ZCML I don't like ;-) cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] To ZCML or not ;-)
Chris Withers wrote: Richard Jones wrote: Is this a general trend for Zope 2? I'd rather see Zope 2 kinda avoid ZCML if possible. It's just one of those personal preference things, I suppose, but I know I'm not the only one who isn't that enamored of the ZCML approach. I actually like having the declarations all in the python code like it is in Zope 2. Am I right in thinking that the XML part of ZCML is layered over python functionality underneath? If so, how hard would it be to provide an alternative to the baroque XML? - the bit of ZCML I don't like ;-) It's is theoretically possible, but not really worth the effort. I'll note that ZCML has gotten progressively simpler over the years. It continues to get simpler. For example, now that we we can say more about adapters in Python, a typical adapter registration looks like: adapter factory=.Myfactory / Also, for various reasons, ZCML took on implementation capabilities. We're looking at ways to move that implementation capability back into Python, where it belongs, which will make page definition easier. I expect that page definitions in the future will look more like: page name=foo.html class=.FooView.html permission=zope.View / Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SiteRoot and VHM
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 12:55:09PM +0100, Laurence Rowe wrote: -1 for removing it. I think it's a cool feature :-) I like the ability to use a 'blank' SiteRoot (one with a blank base and path) in conjunction with an access rule to set request variables when I access my site in through a particular point (eg set the plone_skin variable when I access my site through /admin or force a particular language when I access my site through /language-name). This is in addition to using VHM and apache rewrite rules in the standard way. I'm curious, what does the SiteRoot buy you over just doing all that in an access rule? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope 2.8] Inclusion of ExtendedPathIndex?
Andreas Jung wrote: --On Donnerstag, 7. April 2005 14:49 Uhr +0200 Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: I wonder if it is of public interest to include the ExtendedPathIndex from Plone in Zope 2.8. It offers some the nice extension to limit the depth of the search and improves building navigation-trees or similar structures. Opinions? While the feature sounds cool, I tend to be a bit worried about delaying the Zope 2.8 release with this, Why delaying? Adding any features could delay the release, right? Perhaps this one is really easy so it won't introduce a large risk of delay; I can't evaluate that. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope 2.8] Inclusion of ExtendedPathIndex?
--On Donnerstag, 7. April 2005 20:15 Uhr +0200 Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: --On Donnerstag, 7. April 2005 14:49 Uhr +0200 Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: I wonder if it is of public interest to include the ExtendedPathIndex from Plone in Zope 2.8. It offers some the nice extension to limit the depth of the search and improves building navigation-trees or similar structures. Opinions? While the feature sounds cool, I tend to be a bit worried about delaying the Zope 2.8 release with this, Why delaying? Adding any features could delay the release, right? Perhaps this one is really easy so it won't introduce a large risk of delay; I can't evaluate that. Don't worry...everything's under control :-) Except the 2.8.a2 release almost all my releases where on the track. Andreas pgpRhMOXupP7U.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: SiteRoot and VHM
Paul Winkler wrote:
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 12:55:09PM +0100, Laurence Rowe wrote:
-1 for removing it. I think it's a cool feature :-)
I like the ability to use a 'blank' SiteRoot (one with a blank base and
path) in conjunction with an access rule to set request variables when I
access my site in through a particular point (eg set the plone_skin
variable when I access my site through /admin or force a particular
language when I access my site through /language-name). This is in
addition to using VHM and apache rewrite rules in the standard way.
I'm curious, what does the SiteRoot buy you over just doing all that in
an access rule?
Having just read up on REQUEST.setServerURL(SiteRootBASE) and
REQUEST.setVirtualRoot(SiteRootPATH). I was about to say nothing at all
- I'm just being ignorant, but it looks like the answer is actually
'flexibility'.
From http://www.zope.org/Members/4am/SiteAccess2/vhosting
If a SiteRooted folder is ever accessed through URLs with a base or path
that does not get rewritten to match the Base and Path of the SiteRoot,
you should make the SiteRoot's Base and Path blank and dynamically
create SiteRootPATH/SiteRootBASE variables. For example, if you made a
'Zope' global-access prefix as described above, then the 'else' part
should contain something like dtml-call REQUEST.set('SiteRootPATH',
'/').
Without the blank site root you lose the flexibility of these methods
working when the site is not being virtual hosted, which is quite handy
while developing.
Laurence
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Re: [Zope-dev] To ZCML or not ;-)
Richard Jones wrote: Is this a general trend for Zope 2? I'd rather see Zope 2 kinda avoid ZCML if possible. It's just one of those personal preference things, I suppose, but I know I'm not the only one who isn't that enamored of the ZCML approach. ZCML started out for me (and as an experinced zope2 programmer I guess the experience may not be that unusual) as ooh, my, lots to learn, why is it that complex? Then it becames oh, it's a consistent way of doing all those thinks that weren't very pythonic, like defining page templates, and then finally I grasped it with ah, it's really the best parts of aspect orientation; you make all these separate modules, and you tie them together with ZCML! Like XML or not, the approach of moving this type of meta-information to ZCML rocks. You know the feeling when a third party product has the wrong permission or no permission at all on something? What are you gonna do? Subclass: Lots of work. Patch: You gotta keep it updated. With ZCML, you override it. TADA! ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate Your Favourite Part of Zope
Andrew Milton wrote: I think people on this list need to realize that eventually, the direction of any significantly large Open Source project is hijacked by the relatively small number of people actually doing the work. The reasons for this are many-fold, but, normally come down to a lack of communication between the developers and the users, which is realized in a lack of understanding by the developers of what the users want. This for the most part isn't generally a problem, until, the developers start to do things for the user's own good, like remove features that are kludgey, or a hack, or insert some other reason, which generally means either noone wants to work on it, or some other change caused it to break, and noone wants to fix it. Now to the credit of the Zope guys, they actually poll the users to find out, rather than just announce the demise of something. However, in general once you add a feature, you can be guaranteed, that somewhere, someone is using it, so removing it will always cause a problem. So there will always be an uproar when you poll. You're never going to be able to reduce the feature set between point releases without upsetting some group of people. So why don't we stop all this nonsense now, and just agree, that you're never going to do that d8) You have Zope 3 to remove all the stuff you hate d8) In my opinion if you change something, it's your responsibility to fix the resulting breakage. That's part of your responsibiliity to the rest of the community (i.e. the [mostly non-paying] customers). If you don't think you have this responsibility to us, then you should work on your own version of Zope, where you're not impacting anyone else. For the record, I hate ZClasses... d8) I wish Terri Shiavo had as much compassion as ZClasses. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate Your Favourite Part of Zope
flame What gives us the right to dictate what features these people give up their time to work on? Sure, Zope (the company) pays some, but others seem to do it for no direct reward, other than the Zope program. end flame I admire these people, I have no idea what goes through Zope, though I might look at fixing some bugs and submitting patches to see what's involved. If you love the feature so much, either make it work yourself, or pay someone to. I do sympathise those who have spent time creating and maintaining solutions based on ZClasses, and I hope someone comes up with a system to export them to a product. I started with python scripts and then a product. Basic products are simple and development can be quite fast with refreshing turned on. -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] login system discussion
ok, i get it. So what is the way to set a request form var in the python script. On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:55:33 -0300, Jose Henrique dos Reis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your request.set puts 'invalid' in request/other, not in request/form. Zenrique -- Share the vision of difference with ME ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: RES: [Zope] login system discussion
Ok i get it, please tell me the way to set a request form var in a python script On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:55:33 -0300, Jose Henrique dos Reis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your request.set puts 'invalid' in request/other, not in request/form. Zenrique -- Share the vision of difference with ME ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] request forward technique
From my login page I'm calling a python script for redirecting it to seperate pages. there if login fails i the login page is to be redirected along with setting a hidden form field 'invalid' by '1'. For this I've to set the request/form.invalid value so that it is available to thelogin page. is it possible to set the request values from a page and return them back to the same page? -- Share the vision of difference with ME ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] DateTime(), locale, summertime etc.
I have a product where I convert some external datetimes to zope DateTime() objects. I save them as UTC as zopes DateTime does by default. But when these are rendered, the time is offset by two hours. A few weeks ago, it wasn't that bad. It was only one hour, but then summertime came along ;-) So it seems that there is some magic going on where Zope tries to take locale and summertime into account. Is this configurable somewhere. In Zope, Python, as a command switch or in a config file? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate Your Favourite Part of Zope
David H escribió: Andrew Milton wrote: I think people on this list need to realize that eventually, the direction of any significantly large Open Source project is hijacked by the relatively small number of people actually doing the work. The reasons for this are many-fold, but, normally come down to a lack of communication between the developers and the users, which is realized in a lack of understanding by the developers of what the users want. This for the most part isn't generally a problem, until, the developers start to do things for the user's own good, like remove features that are kludgey, or a hack, or insert some other reason, which generally means either noone wants to work on it, or some other change caused it to break, and noone wants to fix it. Now to the credit of the Zope guys, they actually poll the users to find out, rather than just announce the demise of something. However, in general once you add a feature, you can be guaranteed, that somewhere, someone is using it, so removing it will always cause a problem. So there will always be an uproar when you poll. You're never going to be able to reduce the feature set between point releases without upsetting some group of people. So why don't we stop all this nonsense now, and just agree, that you're never going to do that d8) You have Zope 3 to remove all the stuff you hate d8) In my opinion if you change something, it's your responsibility to fix the resulting breakage. That's part of your responsibiliity to the rest of the community (i.e. the [mostly non-paying] customers). If you don't think you have this responsibility to us, then you should work on your own version of Zope, where you're not impacting anyone else. For the record, I hate ZClasses... d8) I wish Terri Shiavo had as much compassion as ZClasses. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) Perhaps a unfortunated comment ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Jim Fulton wrote: Jake wrote: My question, since it now seems like I am not the only one using ZClasses I doubt that that is the case. Sorry, I missread your note. I meant to say that I was sure you are *not* the only one using ZClasses. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] how to add pages to a new tab in plone
hope i get this through !!! In my plone site I've added a portal_tab through portal_actions. i've made a subfolder in my plone site root folder for it. I gave the path in the action value field of the tabs as : string:$portal_url/consumables now the problem is that when i click on my tab the index_html zpt opens seperately as a new page unlike the home tab's index page which opens inside the plone site . i want the pages in my tab to added as the plone site's content, not seperately. how do i do it. -- Share the vision of difference with ME ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Dieter Maurer wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote at 2005-4-5 11:48 +0200: On the Paris sprint, one thing that was noted was how ironic it was that the release of 2.8, which includes support for the new recommended development paradigm, was held up becuase we neeeded to support an old non-recommended one. :-) ZClasses feature prominently in the Zope book. That should probably be fixed. Seems they are more recommended than the new development paradigm (which does not yet feature at all in the Zope book). The new developement paradigm is featured prominantly in 2 new books. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Lennart Regebro wrote: On the Paris sprint, one thing that was noted was how ironic it was that the release of 2.8, which includes support for the new recommended development paradigm, was held up becuase we neeeded to support an old non-recommended one. :-) It boils down to backward compatibility. Backward compatibility is important. People aren't going to use our platform if it keeps changing. in backward incompatible ways without reletively smooth transition tools. We can't simply drop such a critical feature just because we don't want to maintain it. Heck, I'd love to drop version support from ZODB, but I'm not going to until I can offer a replacement to the people who depend on versions today. Anyway, my main question is: You who are using ZClasses, can't you just stay on Zope2.8 or 2.9, if Zope 2.10 would not contain ZClass support? The main features of 2.8 is support for the component architecture, For many people, the main features of 2.8 are multi-version concurrency control and better garbage collection. and for zope 2.9 and 2.10 this will be even more true: there will most likely be very few new features besides this. I wouldn't assume that. People continue to do interesting things on this platform. In any case, if we put people in the place where they couldn't (in a practical, rather than theoretical sense) migrate from a particular version, then we'd have to consider maintaining that version longer that we otherwise would, if only to give people bug fixes (especially security fixes). With 2.9 or 2.10 the idea is that you can use both ZClasses, *and* write products that work under Zope3. I'm not even sure there will be a 2.10, and in any case you won't really have much need of it. I'd be very surprised if there was not a Zope 2.10, or even a Zope 2.11. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Andreas Jung wrote: --On Dienstag, 5. April 2005 16:38 Uhr -0400 Jake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that is probably the best arguement for keeping them around longer. We should get to the point: if some people depend on ZClasses then they should take over some responsibility in maintaining them in future releases. Be careful here. While there is value in deciding priorities based on willingness of people to help. We want people to use Zope *even* if they can't maintain it. It would be a huge mistake to gibe people the impression that they should only use Zope if they are prepared to maintain it themselves. In other words, the availability of volunteers is a good criteria for selecting *new* features. It can not be that a feature regarded as obsolete (from the majority) and almost unmaintained and untouched since ages holds up further releases. It is being maintained now. I don't think we can choose not to maintain such an important feature. I agree that new features should only be done of there are developers willing to do them. I agree with Jim that they should be officially deprecated - means they could be removed in Zope 2.10. Whoa, I'm not advocating that. I was asking if anyone cared. I strongly suspected that there would be people who did care. I've gotten a lot of grief because of the effort I've been putting into getting them to work with Zope 2.8 and the effect that that has had on the 2.8 schedule. Many active Zope developers are (understandbly) dismissive of ZClasses, but I think we can't ignore the many people who depend on them. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Ausum Studio wrote: ... As for ZC, IMHO the issue should be treated as a matter of understanding the market rather than achieving a milestone. You created stuff that works in some way or another that people embraced. You also changed your company name to the name of the product of yours that people embraced. And no matter how much hype there is on new trends, you should realize that a song is just a song until the market say it's a hit, and that X3 is that song. Shall you start to put Zope2 into pieces before getting to know you already have a hit? :) Well said. I couldn't agree more. That's why ZC continues to spend lots of time maintaining and enhancing Zope 2. It's why I see many Zope 2 releases ahead and why, every time I speak to large groups of people, I tell people not to feel a need to rush to Zope 3. There is absolutely no intention to make the mistakes of other projects to have an untested new version replace an established new version prematurely. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Jonathan Cyr wrote: Yoohoo, ZClasses are not an expert technology to use, they are an introduction to Zope... Just because I use a thing, doesn't mean I can support/maintain a thing. Exactly. I want you to use Zope even if you aren't in a position to maintain it yourself. I can read the list, and try to help folks with questions that I've experienced... that's the support that can be offered at my skill level. Which is extremely valuable. If that's not enough... fine... drop ZClasses, then DTML (you know, its next)... and all the folks in this boat with me. (There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.) ZC should decide whether the benefits of ZClasses for low-end developers match against the hurdles to keeping it with the newer Zope releases. If they don't see a need for this skill-level type of tool in Zope's feature list, they will pay down the road... Growth is king, even for Zope, who grew this platform? Growth means newbies, right? What elements got Zope to where it is? Could ZClasses be on that list? Why? Vey well said. I think this is, but should not be underestimated. This is something I think about a lot. I think Zope needs to support developers and non developers. Zope 2 was weak in supporting developers. Over the years, new techniques and technologies have evolved to make Zope development better for proffessional developers, but we still need the non-developers. And seeing comments like... - Move to Zope Python Products - you cant see the skill differences between OOP Zope's API vs. ZClasses - Use the Archetypes/CMF/Plone setup - UML training? the CMF API and Plone underpinnings, easy? - Maintain it yourself then - Update very slick code within Zope's flexible and aging API, with ZODB API too? Maintain it...Yeah sure, hows this afternoon. ... just show me how under-represented that beginner and intermediate Zope developers use this list... and then I think, perhaps there aren't any, just me and a few others... and if that's the case, Zope's screwed, and the horse I rode in on. :) This list is for you. While you shouldn't have to maintain Zope yourself, you *do* need to be vocal about what you want. (Of course, at some point, work needs to get paid for. If someone wants a new feature that the developers don't want to develop out of the goodness of their hearts or even an old feature that no one wants to maintain, someone may have to be willing to fund some development. I'm not asking for this in this case.) And so here's the confession... Hello, I'm Jon... I've used Zope for 2 years, and I can't help others program high-level Python OOP tools/platform resources in a propriety web content management server. I only can support their efforts when the occasional mailing list opportunities present themselves. And that support is greatly appreciated! Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: DateTime(), locale, summertime etc.
Max M wrote: I have a product where I convert some external datetimes to zope DateTime() objects. I save them as UTC as zopes DateTime does by default. But when these are rendered, the time is offset by two hours. Ok. I was unclear here. I convert from datetime objects (python) to DateTime (zope) objects. The datetime objects are in UTC format. So are the DateTime objects. On an external system I enter a time of 11:00. The external system then saves the value as 9:00 UTC, which is correct. Taking summertime and time zone offset into account. When I convert to DateTime objects, they are saved as 9:00 Universal. So that is correct too. The DateTime objects are then displayed in Zope/Plone in UTC time. I would expect Zope to represent them in the systems locale 'danish' and display them as 11:00 I have set the locale danish directive in my zope.conf, but that doens't change anything. Does anybody have an idea as to what to try out next? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] how to store ZSQL query results in a python var
from a newbie, i've this ZSQLmethod returning me a string only. how do i store it a var in my python script. eg., userlevel = container.getUserLevel(uname=user) when i print it using html_quote as : print (%s) % html_quote(userlevel) return printed output is : (lt;Shared.DC.ZRDB.Results.Results instance at 0x41dd966cgt;) please help. -- Share the vision of difference with ME ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] how to store ZSQL query results in a python var
--On Donnerstag, 7. April 2005 4:10 Uhr -0700 prabuddha ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from a newbie, i've this ZSQLmethod returning me a string only. how do i store it a var in my python script. eg., userlevel = container.getUserLevel(uname=user) when i print it using html_quote as : print (%s) % html_quote(userlevel) return printed output is : (lt;Shared.DC.ZRDB.Results.Results instance at 0x41dd966cgt;) The RDBMS chapter of the Zope Book that call a ZSQL method returns something that behaves like a list of rows. That's what you see when you look at the output. Accessing and working with ZSQL methods is carefully described in the Zope Book (2.7 edition) - isn't it? -aj pgpNpZ3Jmigbo.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] how to store ZSQL query results in a python var
Am Donnerstag, den 07.04.2005, 04:10 -0700 schrieb prabuddha ray: from a newbie, i've this ZSQLmethod returning me a string only. how do i store it a var in my python script. eg., userlevel = container.getUserLevel(uname=user) when i print it using html_quote as : print (%s) % html_quote(userlevel) return printed output is : (lt;Shared.DC.ZRDB.Results.Results instance at 0x41dd966cgt;) please help. Well, ZSQL Methods always return result sets, never strings. The restult set is an object which works similar to a list with result objects, each result object having attributes which correspond to column names of your query. The result objects have a method dictionaries() which in fact return the data as regular list with dictionaries for the rows (easier to look at if you see their string representation) so what you probably want goes like this: result=container.getUserLevel(uname=user) if result: userlevel=result[0].userlevel else: userlevel=somedefault # or raise error or whatnot the if result: idiom handles the fact the query might not return any result. It is true however if you get at least one row. result[0] addresses the very first row of the result - which must exist in a non empty result set. HTH Tino ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] browsing server filesystem
Hi! I need to browse (from a client) server file system. Does exist a zope object to do that? or, how can I do it? (I think external method in python, isn't it?) Thanks, Fabio ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Jim Fulton said: (There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.) That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early). Jake -- Zoping for the rest of us http://www.ZopeZone.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Jake wrote: Jim Fulton said: (There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.) That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early). I will be selling black flags for the mourning of a missed opportunity... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Jim Fulton wrote: I've gotten a lot of grief because of the effort I've been putting into getting them to work with Zope 2.8 and the effect that that has had on the 2.8 schedule. Many active Zope developers are (understandbly) dismissive of ZClasses, but I think we can't ignore the many people who depend on them. I think this course of action leads to misinforming new users that ZClasses are a good thing. If ZClasses really must stay around, then put them in a big box labelled some people like these, but the community as a whole recommends against them, which seems to be the consensus here. I think ZPT and python scripts are much more useful tools for newbies who will often enter with a scripting rather than OO frame of mind. cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] how to instantiate an External Method
Wladmir Araujo Chapetta wrote: How can i instantiate a external method within my Container Product? Tell us why you think you need to first... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] browsing server filesystem
Fabio Marcone wrote: Does exist a zope object to do that? Google for LocalFS. cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
On Wednesday 06 April 2005 16:52, Dieter Maurer wrote: For new projects, you should investigate the new options. Product development will get much simpler with Zope3 technology (and its schemas and views). Currently, there is no TTW (Through The Web) development in Zope3 land, but that is planned. In about 2 to 4 years, we may have new ZClass like functionality implemented with Zope3 technology. And I am quite confident that the old ZClasses will live til then... Note that I prototyped such functionality a couple years ago. One could create TTW (Persistent) schemas and then declare a Content Component Definition based on this schema. People could then create instances of those content components. The Content Component Definition utility took care of doing all the security and basic menu/view setup. One can then write views and adapters for the content component to give it functionality. Unfortunately, persistent schemas got broken at some point, so the code is not that useful anymore. I really need to get together with Jim and force him to fix the problem with me, since I constantly forget what the problem is. ;-) Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I think ZPT and python scripts are much more useful tools for newbies who will often enter with a scripting rather than OO frame of mind. Wouldn't that be ZPT and adapters ;-) -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: login page problem
Dieter Maurer wrote: I is just that with exUserFolder, there is a management page where you configure the parameters for the user cache -- that's all of it. No special Python Scripts, no association with a RAMCacheManager, no headache with invalidation (after user object changes through the API)... Yes, and the implementation was mostly barroque rubbish last time I looked at XUF. I believe in re-using lots of simple compments to build complex applications. I hate to see loads of common concepts like caching, sessions, cookie-management and rdb interaction re-implemented in non-reusable ways so many times... cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: zope@zope.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jonathan Cyr wrote at 2005-4-6 16:06 -0400: ... just show me how under-represented that beginner and intermediate Zope developers use this list... and then I think, perhaps there aren't any, just me and a few others... and if that's the case, Zope's screwed, and the horse I rode in on. Do not worry too much! Jim proposed to keep ZClasses alive until (at least) Zope 2.10. And he asks whether there is enough interest to keep them longer... [...] In fact, I have had ten times more problems with Archetypes (which I use now) than with ZClasses (which I used formerly). Isn't Archetypes only for Plone? I mean, Plone is a very good *application* but I don't want to be locked on it. Just release a way to convert a Zclass to a Python Product (at least for the simplest ZClasses...). I'm stil stuck on convert that damn base class CatalogAware to CatalogPathAware, just to name something (CatalogAware) which is still there for no reason... :) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Hi Chris, Chris Withers wrote: (There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.) That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early). I will be selling black flags for the mourning of a missed opportunity... With or without a circled A? ;-) -- Regards, PhilK Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Voicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518 it's very hard to talk quantum using a language originally designed to tell other monkeys where the ripe fruit is - Lu-Tze ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Product creation difficulty
(keep replies on the list, more people can help that way) Pete Taylor wrote: thanks man. doing it that way has cleared up the security problem. i've run into others trying to access xml-rpc methods remotely (zope keeps passing the __roles__ checks back to the xmlrpc server, which says i don't know what you're talking about, etc) You'd have to give us more information if you want help with that, it sounds like something bizarre is happening that shouldn't ;-) cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jake wrote: Jim Fulton said: (There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.) That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early). I will be selling black flags for the mourning of a missed opportunity... DTML is very nice for some things. And for beginners. Only the magic namespaces of DTML are bad, and those are gone in Zope 3. Florent -- Florent Guillaume, Nuxeo (Paris, France) CTO, Director of RD +33 1 40 33 71 59 http://nuxeo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: DateTime(), locale, summertime etc.
Max M wrote: When I convert to DateTime objects, they are saved as 9:00 Universal. So that is correct too. Ok. Turned out that I have misunderstood zopes DateTime(). It saves in UTC, but it still needs a timezone. So converting datetime objects to the local timezone and then converting to DateTime objects also as local timezone did the trick. hmmm -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Florent Guillaume wrote: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jake wrote: Jim Fulton said: (There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.) That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early). I will be selling black flags for the mourning of a missed opportunity... DTML is very nice for some things. And for beginners. Only the magic namespaces of DTML are bad, and those are gone in Zope 3. I wish they were gone, but they are still there. Someday, I'd like to se a TALES-based DTML, but I doubt I'll ever have time to do it. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Product creation difficulty
*grin*
true enough.
at its simplest level, I've been trying to just import xmlrpclib and use it
normally in scripts. I used my __init__.py to allow_module('xmlrpclib'),
which has stopped it from throwing security errors. however, when I
actually run a test script, I get the following:
Error Type: Fault
Error Value: Fault 1: 'exceptions.Exception:method
echo.__roles__.__contains__ is not supported'
error_log has this traceback:
Traceback (innermost last):
Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 101, in publish
Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply
Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 39, in call_object
Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 306, in __call__
Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 343, in _bindAndExec
Module Products.PythonScripts.PythonScript, line 323, in _exec
Module None, line 5, in testXRPC
- PythonScript at /pro4/testXRPC
- Line 5
Module xmlrpclib, line 1029, in __call__
Module xmlrpclib, line 1316, in __request
Module xmlrpclib, line 1080, in request
Module xmlrpclib, line 1219, in _parse_response
Module xmlrpclib, line 742, in close
Fault: Fault 1: 'exceptions.Exception:method echo.__roles__.__contains__
is not supported'
I can watch the POST /RPC2 messages increment on my xml-rpc server, so I
know the message is getting through. but the xmlrpc server isn't built with
Zope in mind, so __roles__.__contains__ makes it cough a Fault back at me.
the code I have in the python script is as simple as:
code
import xmlrpclib
server = xmlrpclib.ServerProxy(http://localhost:;)
server.echo('this is a test')
/code
echo just sends the recieved string back. it works from command line, but
that's not surprising... I could be wrong about where or how it's failing,
but the traceback looks like the message is getting there, and returning
with the echo method having been wrapped in a zope security check, thus
faulting at the server...
Thanks for any help... this list is the best I've participated in. You
guys are awesome.
-Original Message-
From: Chris Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:35 AM
To: Pete Taylor; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Product creation difficulty
(keep replies on the list, more people can help that way)
Pete Taylor wrote:
thanks man. doing it that way has cleared up the security problem. i've
run into others trying to access xml-rpc methods remotely (zope keeps
passing the __roles__ checks back to the xmlrpc server, which says i
don't
know what you're talking about, etc)
You'd have to give us more information if you want help with that, it
sounds like something bizarre is happening that shouldn't ;-)
cheers,
Chris
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[Zope] Re: Product creation difficulty
Pete Taylor wrote: *grin* true enough. at its simplest level, I've been trying to just import xmlrpclib and use it normally in scripts. http://www.zope.org/Members/EIONET/XMLRPC the product lets you call remote xmlrpc and other zope servers (here is a patch if you need zope authentication too: http://webforce.at/Members/d2m/HowTos/2004041801) Michael -- http://zope.org/Members/d2m http://planetzope.org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: DateTime(), locale, summertime etc.
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 02:44:38PM +0200, Max M wrote: Max M wrote: When I convert to DateTime objects, they are saved as 9:00 Universal. So that is correct too. Ok. Turned out that I have misunderstood zopes DateTime(). It saves in UTC, but it still needs a timezone. So converting datetime objects to the local timezone and then converting to DateTime objects also as local timezone did the trick. hmmm Maybe this is relevant: http://www.zope.org/Collectors/CMF/325 ... crap, I never merged the fix. I should really make it a habit to read the CMF issues nag mail :-0 -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] TAL/SQL Problem
Hi, hope you can help.
We are currently linking a webpage to an SQL database and are pulling in
information via the tal:replace function. This is working extremely
well however one of our SQL fields is comma deliminated, and we want it
to appear as a list. We have accomplished this by using the following code:
h1Interests/h1
tal:x define=test2 result/interests
repeat=id python:interests.split(',')
pa href=
tal:attributes=href string:detail_html?id=$id
tal:content=result/interests
Interests goes here/a/p
/tal:x
This works well, and each item of text is displayed as a list item.
Only problem we have, is we want to be able to display the SQL text as
the link name, but instead each link has the same link text which is the
whole of the SQL string.
E.g. The text in the interests field is: Swimming,Badminton,Ice Hockey
detail_html?id=Swimming
The code seperates the text via the comma, and displays a list item for
each activity. Only problem is, the link text for each activity is the
same (Swimming,Badminton,Ice Hockey detail_html?id=Swimming). Anyone
got any ideas?
Hope you can understand what I am after. An example page is at:
http://lash.sunderland.ac.uk/business/organisationandstaff/test/detail_html?id=10
Thanks
Phil
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Re: [Zope] TAL/SQL Problem
use tal:content=id instead of result/interests
Phil Beardmore wrote:
Hi, hope you can help.
We are currently linking a webpage to an SQL database and are pulling
in information via the tal:replace function. This is working
extremely well however one of our SQL fields is comma deliminated, and
we want it to appear as a list. We have accomplished this by using
the following code:
h1Interests/h1
tal:x define=test2 result/interests
repeat=id python:interests.split(',')
pa href=
tal:attributes=href string:detail_html?id=$id
tal:content=result/interests
Interests goes here/a/p
/tal:x
This works well, and each item of text is displayed as a list item.
Only problem we have, is we want to be able to display the SQL text as
the link name, but instead each link has the same link text which is
the whole of the SQL string.
E.g. The text in the interests field is: Swimming,Badminton,Ice
Hockey detail_html?id=Swimming
The code seperates the text via the comma, and displays a list item
for each activity. Only problem is, the link text for each activity
is the same (Swimming,Badminton,Ice Hockey
detail_html?id=Swimming). Anyone got any ideas?
Hope you can understand what I am after. An example page is at:
http://lash.sunderland.ac.uk/business/organisationandstaff/test/detail_html?id=10
Thanks
Phil
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Re: [Zope] TAL/SQL Problem
Phil Beardmore wrote:
Hi, hope you can help.
We are currently linking a webpage to an SQL database and are pulling in
information via the tal:replace function. This is working extremely
well however one of our SQL fields is comma deliminated, and we want it
to appear as a list. We have accomplished this by using the following
code:
h1Interests/h1
tal:x define=test2 result/interests
repeat=id python:interests.split(',')
pa href=
tal:attributes=href string:detail_html?id=$id
tal:content=result/interests
Interests goes here/a/p
/tal:x
This works well, and each item of text is displayed as a list item.
Only problem we have, is we want to be able to display the SQL text as
the link name, but instead each link has the same link text which is the
whole of the SQL string.
E.g. The text in the interests field is: Swimming,Badminton,Ice Hockey
detail_html?id=Swimming
The code seperates the text via the comma, and displays a list item for
each activity. Only problem is, the link text for each activity is the
same (Swimming,Badminton,Ice Hockey detail_html?id=Swimming). Anyone
got any ideas?
Hope you can understand what I am after. An example page is at:
http://lash.sunderland.ac.uk/business/organisationandstaff/test/detail_html?id=10
Thanks
Phil
In the a tag, instead of
tal:content=result/interests
shouldn't it be
tal:content=id
---
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Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate Your Favourite Part of Zope
+---[ Jim Fulton ]-- | Well said. | | I mostly agree, however, there needs to be a balance. We are | introducing a process for orderly deprecation of features. I hope | it works. It's mainly useful for changes that are straightforward | to recover from. We have to balance lots of different factors | taking into account *everybodies* interests, the best we can | *together*. Indeed. You would probably reach more people via the zope.org website, than via the mailing list. That would give you a bigger value of everybody. Perhaps a questionnaire or survey arrangement, so you can find out how people are using Zope. You could release it quarterly or six-monthly or something so you can see how things are trending over time. This would allow you to gauge the size of subsets of the community and to predict the likely fallout of removing something d8) You could also get better understanding of other data, e.g. what platforms zope is running on in what numbers, as opposed to just the raw download statistics. At the very least you could find out their interests d8) Perhaps it's something one of the non-ZC sites would want to host? -- Andrew Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] TAL/SQL Problem
Thanks to both Barry and Madhavi for the solution. Works great guys!
Ta
- Original Message -
From: Barry Pederson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Zope] TAL/SQL Problem
Phil Beardmore wrote:
Hi, hope you can help.
We are currently linking a webpage to an SQL database and are
pulling in
information via the tal:replace function. This is working extremely
well however one of our SQL fields is comma deliminated, and we
want it
to appear as a list. We have accomplished this by using the
following code:
h1Interests/h1
tal:x define=test2 result/interests
repeat=id python:interests.split(',')
p tal:attributes=href string:detail_html?id=$id
tal:content=result/interests
Interests goes here/p
/tal:x
This works well, and each item of text is displayed as a list
item.
Only problem we have, is we want to be able to display the SQL
text as
the link name, but instead each link has the same link text which
is the
whole of the SQL string.
E.g. The text in the interests field is: Swimming,Badminton,Ice
Hockey detail_html?id=Swimming
The code seperates the text via the comma, and displays a list
item for
each activity. Only problem is, the link text for each activity
is the
same (Swimming,Badminton,Ice Hockey detail_html?id=Swimming).
Anyone got any ideas?
Hope you can understand what I am after. An example page is at:
http://lash.sunderland.ac.uk/business/organisationandstaff/test/detail_html?id=10
Thanks
Phil
In the a tag, instead of
tal:content=result/interests
shouldn't it be
tal:content=id
---
Barry
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Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Thank You for giving me a
timeframe for this stuff. 4 to 6 years is indeed a long time. That
would, in effect triple the lifespan of my project, and be far more
reasonable.
It was the "yeah, dump it today" remarks that set me off. These
remarks are shortsighted at best, and harmful to Zope's PR at worst.
Thanks for the response, I will contribute where I can.
-Jon
Dieter Maurer wrote:
Jonathan Cyr wrote at 2005-4-6 16:06 -0400:
... just show me how under-represented that beginner and intermediate
Zope developers use this list... and then I think, perhaps there aren't
any, just me and a few others... and if that's the case, Zope's screwed,
and the horse I rode in on.
Do not worry too much!
Jim proposed to keep ZClasses alive until (at least) Zope 2.10.
And he asks whether there is enough interest to keep them longer...
If the Zope 2 releases progress in the same speed seen recently,
then Zope 2.10 will come in 4 to 6 years. That's a lot of time.
Of course, it is planned that future release cycles are much shorter
(one release every 6 months) but I do not yet buy that this will
indeed happen. Almost all releases were planned much earlier
than they happened.
And, we can keep ZClasses alive, at least until the next major
"Persistency" shakeup (after Jim made them working again for
the current "Persistency" shakeup) -- even when they are no longer
in the core.
In fact, I have had ten times more problems with Archetypes (which
I use now) than with ZClasses (which I used formerly).
It is true (and sad) that there are no unit tests for ZClasses
but ZClasses just broke twice in the past across releases
and the community quickly found
workarounds. These fixes were found much faster than those
for the security problems which were introduced from time to
time into Zope through security shakeups -- despite the fact
that there are unit tests for the security subsystem.
Thus, the right approach (in my view) is that all users
of ZClasses tell Jim, that ZClasses are used and interesting.
ZClasses may nevertheless get deprecated but probably kept
longer then Zope 2.10 unless they cause major problems.
For new projects, you should investigate the new options.
Product development will get much simpler with Zope3 technology
(and its schemas and views). Currently, there is no TTW
("Through The Web") development in Zope3 land, but that is planned.
In about 2 to 4 years, we may have new ZClass like
functionality implemented with Zope3 technology.
And I am quite confident that the old ZClasses will live til
then...
And so here's the confession... "Hello, I'm Jon... I've used Zope for 2
years, and I can't help others program high-level Python OOP
tools/platform resources in a propriety web content management server.
I only can support their efforts when the occasional mailing list
opportunities present themselves."
That's fine. Continue with this support!
Do not worry too much about ZClasses. They will stay
for a significant time because Jim plans to take the next
major hurdle (thank you, Jim!).
After that, probably only small changes will
be necessary -- as in the past. We, the ZClass users, can
manage these minor changes -- as we did in the past.
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Re: [Zope] login system discussion
prabuddha ray wrote at 2005-4-6 23:17 -0700: So what is the way to set a request form var in the python script. Please read the Zope Book -- carefully! You should find a section explaining the request object, its API (especially its set method) and its essential attributes form, cookies, other and environ. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Chris Withers wrote at 2005-4-7 13:22 +0100: ... but the community as a whole recommends against them, which seems to be the consensus here. A funny definition of consensus... It may be the majority opinion but it definitely is not consensus... -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Jim Fulton wrote at 2005-4-7 05:50 -0400: Dieter Maurer wrote: ... ZClasses feature prominently in the Zope book. That should probably be fixed. Seems they are more recommended than the new development paradigm (which does not yet feature at all in the Zope book). The new developement paradigm is featured prominantly in 2 new books. When will they feature in *the* Zope Book? There are Zope beginners that will not start with a Zope3 book -- at least not yet. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: login page problem
Chris Withers wrote at 2005-4-7 13:29 +0100: ... I believe in re-using lots of simple compments to build complex applications. I hate to see loads of common concepts like caching, sessions, cookie-management and rdb interaction re-implemented in non-reusable ways so many times... You are probably right -- but SimpleUserFolder is really simple (which sometimes is good). Had *you* used all these reusable components to provide the functionality in SUF, standard users could have used then out of the box -- with just sumitting a configuration page. As it is now, they have to think about (e.g.) cache management and invalidation. I would like to stress that I do not think SUF were bad. I just defend my statement that exUserFolder is something like a big brother to SUF. Simple is beautiful, if it meats the given requirements... -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Yuri wrote at 2005-4-7 14:30 +0200: ... Isn't Archetypes only for Plone? No, it can be used with pure CMF... ... if one is ready to fix a few Plone dependencies that creep in in most Archetype releases. ... Just release a way to convert a Zclass to a Python Product (at least for the simplest ZClasses...). Unfortunaltely, even the most elementary things are missing: PropertySheet are one of the most essential parts of ZClasses -- and they can be extended later and all ZInstances see the changes. PropertySheets are available for non ZClasses as well. But, this code is even less maintained than ZClasses and utterly broken. When I used them for a Python product, I had to fight for two days and had to heavily modify Zope code to get them working. I submitted a patch to the Zope collector but I had removed one bit of black magic too much -- and other products broke that were dependent on this magic. My patch which were already integrated into the Zope sources were reverted and never considered again (though I provided a correction) Thus, PropertySheets are still utterly broken (outside of our private Zope copy). I'm stil stuck on convert that damn base class CatalogAware to CatalogPathAware, just to name something (CatalogAware) which is still there for no reason... :) One of my first steps in Zope land was to put Zope in cvs and fix whatever I considered broken. Maintaining one's private Zope version in a revision control system allows to fix bugs without loosing the ability to upgrade to new public versions (and semi automatically have the own modifications merged in). -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
On 07.Apr 2005 - 20:13:58, Dieter Maurer wrote: Yuri wrote at 2005-4-7 14:30 +0200: ... Isn't Archetypes only for Plone? No, it can be used with pure CMF... ... if one is ready to fix a few Plone dependencies that creep in in most Archetype releases. ... Just release a way to convert a Zclass to a Python Product (at least for the simplest ZClasses...). Unfortunaltely, even the most elementary things are missing: PropertySheet are one of the most essential parts of ZClasses -- and they can be extended later and all ZInstances see the changes. PropertySheets are available for non ZClasses as well. But, this code is even less maintained than ZClasses and utterly broken. Hmm, could you (just for my own interest) point out the difference between PropertySheets and ProperyManager (which I used to define properies for my own product-classes)? IIRC PropertySheets allow to have multiple groups of properties on the same Object, but is there more? Andreas -- Write yourself a threatening letter and pen a defiant reply. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
- Original Message - From: Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] (...) I submitted a patch to the Zope collector but I had removed one bit of black magic too much -- and other products broke that were dependent on this magic. My patch which were already integrated into the Zope sources were reverted and never considered again (though I provided a correction) Thus, PropertySheets are still utterly broken (outside of our private Zope copy). If that's what it takes to try a ZClasses-PythonProduct converter, then my logic tells me core maintainers should allow that patch to find it's way to the official release. Did I miss something regarding the calls to help? Because if that happens to Dieter's willingness, then what would happen to ours? ;) Ausum ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Potential PythonScript bug
Chris, absolutely right. I got confused and misinterpreted a behavior I was getting with crashes. I was finding that the Zope instance would fail if I didn't have certain files that were in the 2.7.5 Products folder duped in the instance dir...but as it turned out, it all boiled down to a single product--ZCatalog--that I've now placed an older (2.5.1) version of in the instance Products dir (I get a documentToKeyMap error otherwise). With just that product duped (or not duped, but with the older version replacing the newer one in the 2.7.5 Products folder), everything works fine--no more errors looping catalog requests. I suppose this is odd behavior in itself--I'm pleased the site works again, but I am a bit concerned it can only go forward relying on an earlier version on a product--does this matter if only the instance relies on the use of that Product (ie, if I don't actually swap it out of the 2.7.5 installation itself, but only duplicate it in this instance)? thanks for your help ira On Apr 5, 2005 3:56 AM, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ira Sher wrote: migrated out since then, PluginIndexes and ZCTextIndex I can't grab These both ship as part of Zope, you shouldn't even by trying to install them! cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
