[Zope] Re: Epoz and Tidy
Cyrille Bonnet wrote: Daniel Dekany wrote: BTW, anybody has found a solution for fixing HTML copy-pasted from Microsoft Word (mostly 2000/XP)? Lot of users has MS Word, and the HTML pasted from it is a CSS killer mess. I tried mxTidy but it didn't improved substantially the HTML. So how do you guys do it? I have looked after solutions for Epoz, but didn't found any. But I don't stick to Epoz... if there is a solution already for Kupu (is Kupu already recommended over Epoz anyway?). Certainly the solution would be an Epoz post-tidy Python script, but I didn't found any for Word tidying. (However, the ideal would be if the HTML is tidied right on the client when it pastes it in -- thus user would really get what it sees, i.e. the HTML wouldn't be changed when he saves it. That effect is really evil.) As Shane pointed out, there is a tidy up in Kupu. However, in my experience, it is not a very good tidy up (if I remember correctly, a lot of tags are still there after the tidy up). Unfortunately there is a fine line between tidying up the cruft pasted from Word, and not stripping out things which might actually have been entered legitimately. I think Kupu does this pretty well (but then I'm a bit biased), but without any way to detect that the user is pasting from Word I don't see how much more could be stripped. So far as I know the only thing which doesn't really get stripped from the pasted Word text are the mso classnames. These can be manually blacklisted, but I never got round to producing a definitive blacklist. One of my thoughts is to provide a separate 'clean this up' button which would apply a more aggressive tidy-up than the one when saving. Also, I agree that only applying the tidy on save is bad, but there isn't a cross- browser way to detect a paste, and applying the cleanup on a large document every time you cut/paste one word wouldn't be nice either. Suggestions for improvements are most welcome. P.S. It isn't just pasting bad HTML which is a problem: some Microsoft applications supply RTF on the clipboard but not HTML and it turns out that if you paste RTF into IE it generates seriously invalid HTML with a totally weird and corrupted DOM. That is another area where I think the cleanup code finally does a passable job but not yet a perfect one. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] xemacs ftp and scripts
Hello, I am very new to zope, and I am not an experienced lisp programmer - please accept the standard Newbie apologies. I am avoiding the use of DHTML, as this seems to be the approved policy. Most of my work has been using page templates, and internal and external python scripts. I am trying to use Xemacs to develop and maintain a site that I created via the web interface. I have connected using the xemacs ftp link, and can edit. I have a couple of problems. Firstly, my xemacs did not recognise my Script(Python) files as being Python, and so it does not automatically switch to Python Major Mode. I added the standard shebang #! /usr/bin/python to the start of the file which fixed this. However it would be nice if it were to recognise Zope's script preamble. Please could someone point me at a resource to help me configure my Xemacs for this. Secondly, I found that after I had edited a script the web interface no longer showed the file as a python script, but as a DHTML file. When used, I just saw the script contents. Is this related to my adding the shebang? I have now removed it again, but it has not fixed the problem. Is there any way I can switch them back (without using copy and paste)? How do I avoid this happening? I am using Debian Sarge Linux, which provides Zope 2.7. Dave -- Dave Whiteley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone +44 (0)113 343 2059 School of Electronic and Electrical Engineering The University of Leeds. Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: Epoz and Tidy
Thursday, May 5, 2005, 9:10:23 AM, Duncan Booth wrote: Cyrille Bonnet wrote: Daniel Dekany wrote: [snip] One of my thoughts is to provide a separate 'clean this up' button which would apply a more aggressive tidy-up than the one when saving. Also, I agree that only applying the tidy on save is bad, but there isn't a cross- browser way to detect a paste, and applying the cleanup on a large document every time you cut/paste one word wouldn't be nice either. [snip] Did anybody considered using other client side technologies than JavaScript, like using a Java Applet or Flash as the editor? Maybe they can capture paste events and such (I don't know...), also they have much less cross-browser problems (like they work with Opera and Safari). Yes, they can't render HTML on the same way the browser, but after all, if we are talking about a place where users enter pure content (I mean, structure) then maybe it is not a that big problem. I mean, the user sees clearly that he has made a paragraph here and ha level 1 heading there, even if he doesn't see how will it exactly look regarding the visual design. At least (s)he will concentrate on content rather than on visual design. Anyway, I think that HTML is not the ideal scheme for entering content. -- Best regards, Daniel Dekany ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: xemacs ftp and scripts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Whiteley wrote: On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 01:00:55PM +0200, SER.RI-TIC-Alexis Roda wrote: Dave Whiteley wrote: Hello, Firstly, my xemacs did not recognise my Script(Python) files as being Python, and so it does not automatically switch to Python Major Mode. I added the standard shebang #! /usr/bin/python to the start of the file which fixed this. However it would be nice if it were to recognise Zope's script preamble. Please could someone point me at a resource to help me configure my Xemacs for this. xemacs probably relies on file extension to decide the mode. Just rename your scripts and add a .py extension (not a good idea, since . is meaningful for python) When I have created scripts in the web interface I have just accepted the defaults, and so I presume that the scripts are buried in the ZDB, rather than being actual files. Should I give them actual filenames when I create them? or add something like (not tested): # Local Variables: # mode:python # End: Thanks, magic! That works. Now if I can fix the file type problem You need to persuade Xemacs not to create backup files. In standard mode, when you go to save the file, it does something like: - rename the original, giving it a backup suffix - Writes the new file, giving it the original name - (maybe) delete the renamed original That second step is where the DTMDocument is being created. If you can't find a solution to that problem, then you could add an ExternalMethod named 'PUT_factory', and take over control of the choice of object type being created yourself. See the following for hints: http://zwiki.org/HowToCreateZwikiPagesWithPut Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zope Corporation Zope Dealers http://www.zope.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCeiSDGqWXf00rNCgRAoBrAKCOkWO+0bdGAtq0WRBUknudOtdMOwCgkQ+x JqyZNfn1ZE75t8p0zjfG2Bo= =LsuD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] A memory leak in Zope, PageTemplateFile and macros?
Hi all. While debugging an application of us I suspected we had a memory leak, so I started with the usual divide et impera approach, trying to figure where exactly was the problem. I therefore started removing all code from inside the main templates in our system, so that I could figure where the problem was. The surprise was that even if I removed all the code, still I was able to see the memory footprint of the zope server raise as new requests arrived. I'm using ab from Apache project to test. I've devised a very simple product which shows the problem, which I include. I tested this with python 2.3.4 and Zope 2.7.6 Test string was: ab2 -A admin:admin -n 100 http://localhost:8080/LeakPT1/start_html Regards Marco LeakPT1.tar.gz Description: application/gzip ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] i am completely new to zope
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 09:27:41AM -0700, Lukman Salifu Nayendi wrote: i am a new user of zope, i really want to learn alot about it and know more please help. http://zopewiki.org/ZopeWiki http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] i am completely new to zope
Paul Winkler wrote: On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 09:27:41AM -0700, Lukman Salifu Nayendi wrote: i am a new user of zope, i really want to learn alot about it and know more please help. http://zopewiki.org/ZopeWiki http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition Also, get some good Zope books. I liked "The Zope Bible". The "Book of Zope" is very good also. If you are new to python - get "Python, the essential reference" by Beasley. Also *google* is your friend. Try to find answers w/it before posting questions to the zope lists - because so many questions have been asked and answered. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] HTML post processing in Zope
Cyrille Bonnet wrote at 2005-5-5 14:58 +1200: I am trying to perform a post-processing on all HTTP responses, before they get sent to the browsers. I am using Zope 2.7.3 nad Plone 2.0.5. I had a look at the ZServer class: it seems to be the right place, but I don't understand all the code there and I am afraid to break something :-( I think ZPublisher.HTTPResponse.HTTPResponse is the better place for tidying up. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: xemacs ftp and scripts
Tres Seaver wrote at 2005-5-5 09:49 -0400: ... Now if I can fix the file type problem You need to persuade Xemacs not to create backup files. In standard mode, when you go to save the file, it does something like: - rename the original, giving it a backup suffix - Writes the new file, giving it the original name - (maybe) delete the renamed original That second step is where the DTMDocument is being created. If you can't find a solution to that problem I use the efs XEmacs package for FTP access. This package can be told not to create backup files by customizing efs-make-backup-files. -- Dieter ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: i am completely new to zope
It would be interesting to really mine the list archives for the wealth of answers in there, and present them in an organized fashion. At least the last year's archive, say. But, I think it would take an army of slaves^H^H^H^H^H^Hvolunteers akin to the builders of the pyramids, java developers, etc. Am I wrong ? ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: i am completely new to zope
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 01:33:45PM -0700, Simon Michael wrote: It would be interesting to really mine the list archives for the wealth of answers in there, and present them in an organized fashion. At least the last year's archive, say. But, I think it would take an army of slaves^H^H^H^H^H^Hvolunteers akin to the builders of the pyramids, java developers, etc. Am I wrong ? I dunno... if you don't mind it happening in a disorganized, haphazard fashion, zopewiki.org is the perfect place for this IMO. The bar for contributing there is really low. If you want a more organized effort, good luck ;-) -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Epoz and Tidy
I agree with you, Duncan, the tidy up can not be much more aggressive by default. And Kupu probably does the best possible job there. Now, the button Clean this up is a good idea, I think. Did you get started on this? I am happy to help if you do develop that feature. Also, another option for users that need to convert a lot of Word documents is, of course, WebDAV + PortalTransform. Cheers Cyrille Duncan Booth wrote: Cyrille Bonnet wrote: Daniel Dekany wrote: BTW, anybody has found a solution for fixing HTML copy-pasted from Microsoft Word (mostly 2000/XP)? Lot of users has MS Word, and the HTML pasted from it is a CSS killer mess. I tried mxTidy but it didn't improved substantially the HTML. So how do you guys do it? I have looked after solutions for Epoz, but didn't found any. But I don't stick to Epoz... if there is a solution already for Kupu (is Kupu already recommended over Epoz anyway?). Certainly the solution would be an Epoz post-tidy Python script, but I didn't found any for Word tidying. (However, the ideal would be if the HTML is tidied right on the client when it pastes it in -- thus user would really get what it sees, i.e. the HTML wouldn't be changed when he saves it. That effect is really evil.) As Shane pointed out, there is a tidy up in Kupu. However, in my experience, it is not a very good tidy up (if I remember correctly, a lot of tags are still there after the tidy up). Unfortunately there is a fine line between tidying up the cruft pasted from Word, and not stripping out things which might actually have been entered legitimately. I think Kupu does this pretty well (but then I'm a bit biased), but without any way to detect that the user is pasting from Word I don't see how much more could be stripped. So far as I know the only thing which doesn't really get stripped from the pasted Word text are the mso classnames. These can be manually blacklisted, but I never got round to producing a definitive blacklist. One of my thoughts is to provide a separate 'clean this up' button which would apply a more aggressive tidy-up than the one when saving. Also, I agree that only applying the tidy on save is bad, but there isn't a cross- browser way to detect a paste, and applying the cleanup on a large document every time you cut/paste one word wouldn't be nice either. Suggestions for improvements are most welcome. P.S. It isn't just pasting bad HTML which is a problem: some Microsoft applications supply RTF on the clipboard but not HTML and it turns out that if you paste RTF into IE it generates seriously invalid HTML with a totally weird and corrupted DOM. That is another area where I think the cleanup code finally does a passable job but not yet a perfect one. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] i am completely new to zope
Lukman Salifu Nayendi wrote: i am a new user of zope, i really want to learn alot about it and know more please help. Well, first, how about you look at the page that shows up when you install Zope. I believe it points to the quick-start and some examples. You'll also find online help in your ZMI. Look for the Help! link in the upper-right. Then look here: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ And once you're looking for specific solutions, try: http://zopelabs.com If you have specific questions, this list may help. --jcc ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: HTML post processing in Zope
Thanks for all your answers, I usually use Apache to change HTTP headers. But here, I need to post-process the HTML. The reason is that the NZ Government Webguidelines require HTML 4.01 :-( and I'd like to keep Plone content and templates XHTML compliant. One way to do that is obviously to post-process the HTML with a language that is good at regular expressions (Perl?). But I thought it could be neat if the post-processing could be done in Zope itself. Anyway, I am looking at ZPublisher.HTTPResponse.HTTPResponse and it looks like the right place. Thanks for your help! Cyrille Dieter Maurer wrote: Cyrille Bonnet wrote at 2005-5-5 14:58 +1200: I am trying to perform a post-processing on all HTTP responses, before they get sent to the browsers. I am using Zope 2.7.3 nad Plone 2.0.5. I had a look at the ZServer class: it seems to be the right place, but I don't understand all the code there and I am afraid to break something :-( I think ZPublisher.HTTPResponse.HTTPResponse is the better place for tidying up. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: HTML post processing in Zope
On 06/05/05, Cyrille Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all your answers, I usually use Apache to change HTTP headers. But here, I need to post-process the HTML. The reason is that the NZ Government Webguidelines require HTML 4.01 :-( and I'd like to keep Plone content and templates XHTML compliant. One way to do that is obviously to post-process the HTML with a language that is good at regular expressions (Perl?). But I thought it could be neat if the post-processing could be done in Zope itself. Anyway, I am looking at ZPublisher.HTTPResponse.HTTPResponse and it looks like the right place. Thanks for your help! Yes, it's irritating isn't it? I've worked on an NZ government site before, but in PHP. You can use Apache to parse the HTML, mod_python allows you to use PythonOutputFilters, where you can use a regexp to clean up the HTML. I'd personally think that using Apache would be faster, but I may be wrong. -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: i am completely new to zope
Paul Winkler wrote: I dunno... if you don't mind it happening in a disorganized, haphazard fashion, zopewiki.org is the perfect place for this IMO. You'd hear no argument from me.. I think it would need to be a little bit organized though.. without some rough standard for presentation, some visible measure of progress, volunteer instructions etc. it seems an overwhelming task. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
