[Zope-dev] RE Skinscipt

2000-09-08 Thread James Johnson
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[Zope-dev] RE Skinscipt

2000-09-08 Thread James Johnson
I think Somebody is working on a short Skinscript tutorial. Get your Free E-mail at http://tacoma.zzn.com Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist -

[Zope-dev] Render DTML without having it in a Zope object

2000-09-08 Thread Stephan Richter
Hello everyone, I have some HTML/DTML saved in the database and I want to now display it. But before I display, I need to render the DTML that is contained in the text. Can anyone lead my in the right direction; maybe by telling me which file handles the rendering and I can read some source

Re: [Zope-dev] Render DTML without having it in a Zope object

2000-09-08 Thread Rik Hoekstra
I have some HTML/DTML saved in the database and I want to now display it. What database - something different then data.fs probably? But before I display, I need to render the DTML that is contained in the text. Can anyone lead my in the right direction; maybe by telling me which file

Re: [Zope-dev] Render DTML without having it in a Zope object

2000-09-08 Thread Stephan Richter
You'd have to feed it to zopehome/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_HTML.py and use the String method, probably. It is not completely clear to me what you try to do. Is it indirect dtml calling - this could be difficult (your best bet would be to use an external method methinks). If not, why can't

Re: [Zope-dev] SkinScript, and family

2000-09-08 Thread Steve Spicklemire
Hi Bill, I doubt that skinscript is going to help with 'potentially complicated calculations'. Skin Script works with ZPatterns (Specifically DataSkins) to provide control over how attributes of DataSkins are gotten, and stored. They are normally pretty simple "if THIS then THAT" kinds

Re: [Zope-dev] Render DTML without having it in a Zope object

2000-09-08 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
hi stephan, one project i am working on right now does something similar, retrieving data for business objects out of an RDBMS and rendering it through zope without instantiating e.g. an instance of a product representing the business object. in my case it is handled with external methods (not

[Zope-dev] RFC: Zope Security for Developers

2000-09-08 Thread Brian Lloyd
Hi all - There was quite a bit of discussion on the "security assertion spelling proposal" on dev.zope.org recently - it has since turned into an active project and I have a draft of the first deliverable (user documentation) ready for review and comment:

Re: [Zope-dev] SkinScript, and family

2000-09-08 Thread Bill Anderson
Steve Spicklemire wrote: Hi Bill, I doubt that skinscript is going to help with 'potentially complicated calculations'. After looking, I don't think it wil either. I am building statistics of of a call Tracking System. For example, each ticket has a response time property, and one of

[Zope-dev] security document comments

2000-09-08 Thread R. David Murray
Well, I just tried to post several paragraphs to the security interface wiki, and netscape reported a proxy problem. It then ate my posting instead of giving it back to me when I pressed back. So I'm going to try to recreate what I wrote here and hope someone will post it for me or something.

Re: [Zope] NEWBIE HELP can not get Zope to start

2000-09-08 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 10:12:16PM -0400, Douglas Eadline wrote: 6. OK, I'll add a user. I go to acl_users and add a user. 7. I quit netscape, and restart and attempt to login as the new user - DOES NOT WORK 8 I check /var/zope/access - no new user added Only the superuser (more

Re: [Zope] NEWBIE HELP can not get Zope to start

2000-09-08 Thread J M Cerqueira Esteves
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 10:12:16PM -0400, Douglas Eadline wrote: 6. OK, I'll add a user. I go to acl_users and add a user. Did you give it the "manager" role? Best regards J Esteves -- jmce: +351 919838775 ~ http://artenumerica.com/ ~ http://artenumerica.org/

Re: [Zope] NEWBIE HELP can not get Zope to start

2000-09-08 Thread Phil Harris
Douglas, You seem to be doing as expected, however a few points to note: see below: - Original Message - From: "Douglas Eadline" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 3:12 AM Subject: [Zope] NEWBIE HELP can not get Zope to start I have tried this

Re: [Zope] Help: PATH_INFO==object

2000-09-08 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:32:39AM +0800, Li Dongfeng wrote: I am writing a service for other pages to use as form action. How can I reference the caller object in DTML/python? I can only think of this: First use PARENTS[-1] to get to the root object of the site. Then split the PATH_INFO

Re: [Zope] Squishdot and _catalog bugs

2000-09-08 Thread Chris Withers
Roch'e Compaan wrote: I've upgraded our Zope Server to 2.2.1 and upgraded squishdot to 7.1. Whenever I post an article on my squishdot sites I get an attribute error: _catalog. It seems like squishdot has trouble putting the article in the catalog. I did modify all references to thread[0]

[Zope] XML and Zope newbie question...

2000-09-08 Thread Eric L. Walstad
Hi All, I am just getting started in XML and am trying to figure out how it works with Zope. I would like to be able to post some data to Zope in XML format and have Zope parse the data into Zope objects. Is this possible? It seems like I should be able to create the Zclasses and, when Zope

Re: [Zope] Need help with ZJetDA, Winnt4 and Zope 2.2.1

2000-09-08 Thread Rik Hoekstra
"Farrell, Troy" wrote: As you have no doubt heard my cries for help, I figure that very few are running NT4. More than would admit it, probably. Perhaps no one knows the answer to what seems to be a rather specific situation. For one, I have the impression most people use zodbc

[Zope] Re: PTK - member can reconfigure portal

2000-09-08 Thread Chris Withers
Anders Eriksson wrote: I have joined the Portal and when I log in as this member and select 'My Stuff', I get a new menu item: 'Re-configure portal'! Which will let this user/member change things that only the owner/super should be able to do!(?) This could be one of two things, IIUC: 1.

Re: [Zope] Lock and Transaction in Zope.

2000-09-08 Thread Rik Hoekstra
Zope has no built in locking like that, but IIRC there was some hack in the wiki code to prevent simultaneous editing (which wasn't bullet proof). Perhaps you can look there. I doubt whether it will solve the problem you pose, but I don't see why you'd want to do what you pointed out in your mail

Re: [Zope] XML and Zope newbie question...

2000-09-08 Thread Phil Harris
Eric, Take a look at the XMLDocument product, available from Zope.org. It already parses the xml into zope objects (they may not be exactly what you want though), but it may give you a start into what you want. hth Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Eric L. Walstad"

Re: [Zope] Zope 2.2.1 Solaris 8 dumps core

2000-09-08 Thread Michele Ravani
Brian Lloyd wrote: I've downloaded the src of Zope 2.2.1 on my UltraSparc running Solaris 8, built it ok, but when I try run ./start it it dumps core with a segmentation fault. Is this problem known? Anything I can do? I am completely new to both Python and Zope ... I don't know of

[Zope] This must be a namespace problem

2000-09-08 Thread Max Møller Rasmussen
I have a site structure like this: root subfolder Then i have made a dtml document "index_html" in the "root" folder like this: html headtitletest/title/head body dtml-var content /body /html Also I have a dtml method "content" in the root folder

Re: [Zope] This must be a namespace problem

2000-09-08 Thread Rik Hoekstra
But it uses the "root" folder "content". How can I make it us the "content" in the current directory, but the index_html from the root folder. Can this not be done?? This is an acquisition problem we will all be bitten by at one time or another. There is some documentation about this,

[Zope] Icons in a product

2000-09-08 Thread Petr Knapek
Hi Zopists, I would like to know if there is any possibility how to publish an icon on the web which is in www folder of my own created product. That is I want to put some icons into the www folder of my product and to have possibility to show them on the web. The problem with my own stylesheet

[Zope] MountedFileStorage

2000-09-08 Thread Júlio Dinis Silva
Hi, Using and reading the MountedFileStorage Product I got the impression that I can mount an existing Data.fs in another Data.fs. Is this possible or is only possible to mount a "create new" Data.fs? Thanx, Júlio Dinis

[Zope] Access and accounts NT vs ?

2000-09-08 Thread Coleman, Bryan
I am developing an Intranet application for the company I work for. I am trying to come up with an easy way to tie in the Zope security model and users in an external database. Is there a way to manipulate the security access and have those changes reflected in a database such as Gadlfy? I

[Zope] ZCatalog or Traversal question ?

2000-09-08 Thread kamon ayeva
Hi, I want to query content built with CatalogAware ZClasses on my site. I am able to get the abstract document ('abstract' method) which is a subobject of the document I want to display (let say 'Document' ZClass). But I don't know how to display the id of the resulting 'Document'. With the

[Zope] Zope and DreamWeaver

2000-09-08 Thread Gottfried Ryser
Hi all I installed the Zope-DTML DW3 Extension and loaded in a page with DTML commands. My pc hanged, I have Win NT 4, DW 3.01 and DW UltraDev. The memory blocked by DW was about 780MB. Anyone has an idea what to check Thank you Gottfried Ryser[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope] NEWBIE HELP can not get Zope to start

2000-09-08 Thread Steve Spicklemire
"Martijn" == Martijn Pieters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 7. I quit netscape, and restart and attempt to login as the new user - DOES NOT WORK Martijn One possible explanation for the denial of your login is Martijn that you filled something in the domains field,

Re: [Zope] NEWBIE HELP can not get Zope to start

2000-09-08 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 06:50:20AM -0500, Steve Spicklemire wrote: "Martijn" == Martijn Pieters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 7. I quit netscape, and restart and attempt to login as the new user - DOES NOT WORK Martijn One possible explanation for the denial of

Re: [Zope] Help: PATH_INFO==object

2000-09-08 Thread Li Dongfeng
Thanks for the correction. Now I see that PATH_INFO refers to the current page, not the calling page. I think the hidden input field solution is OK for me. What is the *Traversal interface*? Do you mean the PARENTS enviroment? - Original Message - From: "Martijn Pieters" [EMAIL

Re: [Zope] MetaData?

2000-09-08 Thread Chris Withers
kamon ayeva wrote: How can I get the id or title of (Document) instead of the url ? Aren't they in the MetaData returned by the catalog query? If they aren't, add them ;-) cheers, Chris ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope] MetaData?

2000-09-08 Thread kamon ayeva
OK, checking the Advanced ZCatalog Howto, I just found I could maybe use something like dtml-in "Catalog(meta_type=['DTML Method','Document', 'Anothermetatype])" Method or Document or Anothermetatype: dtml-var "Catalog.getpath(data_record_id_)"br /dtml-in to solve my problem.

[Zope] change_properties

2000-09-08 Thread brocken22
Hallo, that's the problem: dtml-call "Dict_Test.manage_changeProperties({'Budget[0]': neuesBudget})" This means I'd like to change in a token property only one value but it's not working. Thanks -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net ___

[Zope] DCOracle examples

2000-09-08 Thread Celio C. Guimaraes
I have just installed the DCOracle package to access an Oracle 8.0.5 server with python1.6. I have run with success the test script DCOracle_test.py connecting to the Oracle database. I would like to see some python examples of the DBI API with queries and so on. Could you give any help? Celio

Re: [Zope] re module through the web security

2000-09-08 Thread Dan L. Pierson
Evan Simpson writes: Ah, but I was sneaky and went and updated it just before posting ;-) You do have to follow a link or two, but it isn't hard to find (any more). Thanks a lot! That'll teach me not to refresh the page when I check back :-) It now answers all my questions.

Re: [Zope] Using Zope DB connection from a Python class

2000-09-08 Thread Dr. Peer Griebel
Hi, is there anybody who did alter the ZOBCDA to work under Linux using one of the free open source adapters? I would like to share (get ;-) the code. Tnanks! Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote: +[ Tino Wildenhain ]- | Hi Ivan, | | 3. Zope

RE: [Zope] Not able to render a base class...

2000-09-08 Thread Brian Withun
| -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kapil | Thangavelu | Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:11 PM | To: Brian Withun | Cc: Zope mailing list | Subject: Re: [Zope] Not able to render a base class... | | | Brian Withun wrote: | | =

Re: [Zope] Icons in a product

2000-09-08 Thread Petr Knapek
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:18:40 +1000, Andrew Kenneth Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi Andrew, thank you very much for quick answer but I it doesn't work because in my __init__.py I register the product with the initialize(context) function. def initialize(context): try:

[Zope] manage_workspace

2000-09-08 Thread Mechtild Hofmann
Hello, I'am looking for the source-code from "manage_workspace". Where do I find this file or is it part of a *.py - file ? Thank you very much for your help Mechtild Hofmann -- http://www.der-schwarzwald-bebt.de/Wolterdingen - in der Heimat passiert was! [EMAIL PROTECTED] T: 07705 / 919391

RE: [Zope] Need help with ZJetDA, Winnt4 and Zope 2.2.1

2000-09-08 Thread Farrell, Troy
I appreciate your response. I had copied the data.fs over to the server with no success. I have the (buzzword alert)"web app" up and running on ZODBCDA. I still haven't solved the ZJetDA problem, but with ODBC, I may well ignore it. I wonder if iODBC or unixODBC is able to connect to access.

Re: [Zope] SiteRoot (SiteAccess) problem

2000-09-08 Thread Joshua Brauer
No, I unpacked the tarball in the Products directory. Any more ideas? Any idea how to get SiteRoot to show up on the available items list? Josh At 6:20 PM +0200 9/8/00, Wouter van Hilst wrote: Hi, Did you unpacked the tarbal in the Zope-root? Then its not working. You have to unpack it in

Re: [Zope] SiteRoot (SiteAccess) problem

2000-09-08 Thread Evan Simpson
From: Joshua Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm running a new server with 2.2.1 and Siteaccess 2.0.0 b3 and I don't get a "SiteRoot" item in the available items list. I can copy site roots and move them, but I cannot create new site roots... After reinstalling SiteAccess ( restarting) I still have

[Zope] Re: Set Access Rule wish

2000-09-08 Thread Evan Simpson
From: Albert Boulanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Its nice that the icon for the method, who is the access rule's target, is changed. However, I think also there needs to be some indicator on the folder involved as well. Unfortunately, the rule icon is already a fragile hack. If you copy, rename,

Re: [Zope] Lock and Transaction in Zope.

2000-09-08 Thread Hung Jung Lu
Hi Aitor, (I am posting to the Zope mailing list, too.) I have Zope in W2000 Zope 2.2.1 Internet Explorer 5.0 Ok. I just tried with Zope on Linux, after I tried with Zope on Windows 98. RedHat 6.2 Zope 2.1.6 Internet Explorer 5.0 Guess what? The thread did not hang. The long thread

[Zope] ZClass, acquisition, dtml confusion

2000-09-08 Thread Jon Franz
Hello, Previously I made a DTML method that when used within a DTML Document would modify properties on that document. Having this floating around in root made it visible to the whole site, but seemed 'unclean'. So, I attempted to make the DTML method into a ZClass, and making the

Re: [Zope] MetaData?

2000-09-08 Thread kamon ayeva
Hi Chris, From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kamon ayeva [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] MetaData? Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:06:50 +0100 kamon ayeva wrote: How can I get the id or title of (Document) instead of the url ? Aren't they in the MetaData returned

Re: [Zope] OSError along with FSSession...

2000-09-08 Thread Pavlos Christoforou
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Chien-Pin Wang wrote: Dear Zope Users: I have upgraded to FSSession 0.4.2 lately and occasionally run into the same problem several times. Each time it costs me a zope down. I do really need some help... Zope complains an error type "OSError" and throws

Re: [Zope] Icons in a product

2000-09-08 Thread Andrew Kenneth Milton
+---[ Petr Knapek ]-- | Hi Zopists, | I would like to know if there is any possibility how to publish an icon | on the web which is in www folder of my own created product. That is I | want to put some icons into the www folder of my product and to have | possibility to

[Zope] repost : pb with acl_users domains for clients behind a proxy/firewall

2000-09-08 Thread Didier Georgieff
Hello, I'm reposting here, since i couldn't solve this strange problem. Our users are acessing to the Zope server (wich is on the Internet) thru corporate (government) firewall/proxys. Some users in acl_users are declared with a "domain" restriction. wich is a generic "gouv.fr" or

[Zope] Problems with export

2000-09-08 Thread Gottfried Ryser
I tried to export an opject with the import/export function, but I got the following error msg. Troubleshooting Suggestions The URL may be incorrect. The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect. A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering an error. For more detailed

Re: [Zope] NEWBIE HELP can not get Zope to start

2000-09-08 Thread Douglas Eadline
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Martijn Pieters wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 10:12:16PM -0400, Douglas Eadline wrote: 6. OK, I'll add a user. I go to acl_users and add a user. 7. I quit netscape, and restart and attempt to login as the new user - DOES NOT WORK 8 I check

Re: [Zope] ZClass, acquisition, dtml confusion

2000-09-08 Thread Tim Cook
Jon Franz wrote: dtml-var mycount However, I place the DTML into a new class, and then make a new instance of the class, and it wont work as above. I now have to do this: dtml-with MyZCCount dtml-var MyZCCount /dtml-with And, instead of modifying the property of the calling

[Zope] Macintosh Zope.

2000-09-08 Thread Steve Drees
Is anybody running zope on a Mac OS 8.x or 9? ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce

[Zope] Re: Scheduling Xron event reports TypeError

2000-09-08 Thread Loren Stafford
From: "Dwayne Morrison" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Sorry to mail you directly instead of posting to the zope group, but my posts are bouncing from egroups.com. egroups is just a mirror. You have to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can join [EMAIL PROTECTED] from

Re: [Zope] Macintosh Zope.

2000-09-08 Thread Jim Harrison
on 9/8/00 3:18 PM, Steve Drees at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anybody running zope on a Mac OS 8.x or 9? Python 1.5.2 and before for Mac is not threaded, so it doesn't support Zope. 1.6 for Mac is reportedly threaded, but there are some remaining problems (i.e., I tried it once and didn't get

[Zope] Import from file via management-interface

2000-09-08 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Hi all, I found it very disturbing having to get my .zexp exports into the subdirectory 'import' of the server and then using the management-interface to do the actual import. So I patched ObjectManager and the compaining dtml-file. Please check them out (included in the mail, sorry for the

RE: [Zope] Not able to render a base class...

2000-09-08 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Brian Withun wrote: I was rather expecting to see 'Renderable' as an option in the BASE CLASSES, but it's not there. If it's supposed to be there, can you fathom what I may have done wrong? You need to install the Renderable product. --RDM

Re: [Zope] change_properties

2000-09-08 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dtml-call "Dict_Test.manage_changeProperties({'Budget[0]': neuesBudget})" This means I'd like to change in a token property only one value but it's not working. I don't think you can do that. I presume that manage_changeProperties uses the

Re: [Zope] manage_workspace

2000-09-08 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Mechtild Hofmann wrote: I'am looking for the source-code from "manage_workspace". Where do I find this file or is it part of a *.py - file ? Yes, it's in a .py file. I think the one you are looking for is in lib/python/App/Management.py. --RDM

Re: [Zope] Import from file via management-interface

2000-09-08 Thread Bill Anderson
How about just the patch next time, as opposed ot the whole patched filed? -- Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are easy to annoy, and have the root password. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Zope] How does one display document count of a folder?

2000-09-08 Thread sean
I am using a script to display the contents of a folder, but I wonder how I might display a document count of the dtml documents in a folder? Here is the script I use to display folder contents: dtml-with my_folder dtml-in "objectIds()" a href="dtml-var "_.getitem(_['sequence-

Re: [Zope] DTML Question on lines

2000-09-08 Thread Dieter Maurer
Tim Cook writes: "Coleman, Bryan" wrote: I am trying to itterate through a lines SELECT name="mySelection" dtml-in valid_codes option value="dtml-var sequence-item" dtml-var sequence-item nbsp; /option In some cases, "html_quote" will be necessary, or a dtml-entity

[Zope] Is Squishdot ready for prime time?

2000-09-08 Thread jholland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm thinking of recommending it for use at work. Is it reliable? John Holland - --- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://jbhsoft.linuxave.net Public key : finger -s or

[Zope] strange namespace behaviour (was: Re: ZClass Bug)

2000-09-08 Thread Dieter Maurer
Hi Tim, Tim Hicks writes: The "theatre_class" ZClass constructor "theatre_class_add" raises a NameError "theatre_class" in dtml-with "theatre_class.createInObjectManager(REQUEST['id'], REQUEST)" if called in some folders but not in other folders When I try to copy and

Re: [Zope] Is Squishdot ready for prime time?

2000-09-08 Thread Andy McKay
Absolutely, totally. Could you be a little more specific than "use at work", that could mean anything. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 6:00 PM Subject: [Zope] Is Squishdot ready for prime time? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED

Re: [Zope] Icons in a product

2000-09-08 Thread Andrew Kenneth Milton
+---[ Petr Knapek ]-- | On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:18:40 +1000, Andrew Kenneth Milton |[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: | | Hi Andrew, | thank you very much for quick answer but I it doesn't work because | in my __init__.py I register the product with the initialize(context) |

Re: [Zope] How does one display document count of a folder?

2000-09-08 Thread Morten W. Petersen
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | I am using a script to display the contents of a folder, but I | wonder how I might display a document count of the dtml | documents in a folder? Untested: dtml-var "_.len(objectIds('DTML Document'))" HTH -Morten ___ Zope

[Zope] Get help about variable and entity of Zope.

2000-09-08 Thread hanse
Hi: I am troubled by a question with DTML. With DTML,I define a variable AA, and let AA equal a object's ID, HOW can I get the object's property through the variable AA? Maybe need a function? Need your help? I want to express as : dtml-call

Re: [Zope] Import from file via management-interface

2000-09-08 Thread Hung Jung Lu
I found it very disturbing having to get my .zexp exports into the subdirectory 'import' of the server and then using the management-interface to do the actual import. I found it inconvenient, too. (Not disturbing, though.) And I had to implement my own uploading scheme via web. But as anything

Re: [Zope] Import from file via management-interface

2000-09-08 Thread Terry Kerr
you can write anything destructive, whether it is an external method, a DTML Method, or basically anything. At least if the only way you can import .zexp's is from the import directory, then only people with access to the zope file structure can import stuff...that will usually be restricted to

Re: [Zope] Is Squishdot ready for prime time?

2000-09-08 Thread jholland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 use at work = I will recommeend using it and do the work of setting it up on an NT (ugh) box and claim it can be relied upon for a medium level (I don't know how much really) of traffic. Say aren't you guys the people who embrace and extend