[Zope-dev] SessionManager, BerkeleyDB, and license compatability

2000-10-12 Thread Toby Dickenson

I understand from the SessionTracking wiki that this product may use
BerkeleyDB

http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/CoreSessionTracking/CurrentStatus

The BerkeleyDB license at http://www.sleepycat.com/licensing.html
indicates that it may only be distributed free of charge with software
that is 'freely available and redistributable by others'.

We are currently using Zope to develop an application that does not
fall into this category. It would be a serious problem for us if
Zope's core had a dependency on code with this type of license.



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Re: [Zope-dev] SessionManager, BerkeleyDB, and license compatability

2000-10-12 Thread Chris McDonough

This is a good point...

Not to worry, however, because the default configuration of the session
tracking stuff is going to use in-memory storage.  Berkeley DB will not need
to be (and won't be) distributed with Zope.  The session manager will be
capable of using nonundo databases (like one based on
BerkeleyStorage/BerkeleyDB), but a nonundo database won't be required to
make use of it.  When you want to use it, you will be able to pick and
choose from nonundo storage implementations including BerkeleyDB.



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Subject: [Zope-dev] SessionManager, BerkeleyDB, and license compatability


I understand from the SessionTracking wiki that this product may use
BerkeleyDB

http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/CoreSessionTracking/CurrentStatus

The BerkeleyDB license at http://www.sleepycat.com/licensing.html
indicates that it may only be distributed free of charge with software
that is 'freely available and redistributable by others'.

We are currently using Zope to develop an application that does not
fall into this category. It would be a serious problem for us if
Zope's core had a dependency on code with this type of license.



Toby Dickenson
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[Zope-dev] Re: A couple of ZPatterns questions

2000-10-12 Thread James Johnson

2. I want to store a list of products, and give each one an 
arbitrary 
number of photos. I can use a Product ZClass, subclassed from 
ObjectManager and store Image objects inside it.

Would using the new ZPatterns based EMarket-0.2.0a2 help as a base 
system.  I would also look at the updated information on SkinScript 
located here.
http://www.zope.org//Members/pje/Wikis/ZPatterns/SkinScriptSyntax
I hope this helps.


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Re: [Zope-dev] Strange permissions in the (built-in) API reference

2000-10-12 Thread Michel Pelletier

KevinL wrote:
 
  Michel Pelletier wrote
  Dieter Maurer wrote:
  3. Jim is working on formal interface support for python and he's
  thinking hard about it, we definatly didn't want to think hard about it
  and then turn out we came up with a bad answer, the existing API docs
  are just that, docs, not interfaces.  When format interfaces come about,
  API docs will probably be converted to that format.
 
 As in mods to python to give it interface support?  Is that discussion taking
 place anywhere public? 

It already did way back in the day shimmery dream sequence

http://www.zope.org/Members/jim/PythonInterfaces/Summary


 It's suddenly become an issue for me, for a
 non-related project...
 
 KevinL

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Re: [Zope-dev] Xron fragility

2000-10-12 Thread Loren Stafford


From: "Kapil Thangavelu" [EMAIL PROTECTED]


[snip]
   Xron has a single dispatcher thread. This thread knows how long to
sleep
   for until the next job needs to run.

 this model has problems when new jobs (for immeadiate execution) are
 entered after the system sleeps. i think it should it taken into
account
 that people will use this dispatching thread to achieve async
operations
 on a request, and that these might need to be done immeadiately.


This is not (or should not be) a problem in current Xron design. The
Dispatcher wakes up early if the Schedule catalog is changed.

-- Loren




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Re: [Zope-dev] Xron fragility

2000-10-12 Thread Loren Stafford

  What if you want a small job to be done every 30 seconds?

 I generally don't... I'm satisfied with cron granularity, although
others
 might not be.  Do you have this requirement?

I thought a little about the granularity issue and decided to go with
the most general solution. I have no requirement for 30-second
intervals, but I wanted to avoid support requests from those who might
have such a need.

Also, I have no need for large numbers of scheduled methods. But I used
a heavy-duty data structure (Catalog) and the sleeping dispatcher model,
just so there would be no arbitrary limits that would cause me support
headaches later.


It uses Client.py to run a job.
  
   Why is this?  This doesn't make any sense to me on its face.  Why
not
 just
   call the method from a separate thread?
 
  Which separate thread? Do you create a new ZODB thread? That sounds
as
  if it might use quite a few resources.
 
  Is there a Zope API for making ZODB threads call methods on objects,
as
  signalled by other threads? I'm guessing the easiest way to do that
is
  to use Client.py to make a new http request.


Yes, using Client.py was the easiest way to do that. The biggest problem
with Client.py is its dependency on HTTP. If your server is set up to
only accept HTTPS, then you can't use Xron -- not a desirable trade-off.
We need another mechanism that achieves the same goal -- simulating the
environment of a request -- without going all the way back to the
socket.

-- Loren



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[Zope-dev] Future of Xron and method scheduling in Zope

2000-10-12 Thread Loren Stafford

I would be happy to turn development of  Zope scheduling capabilities
over to someone else, because I currently have no demand for scheduling
capabilities and am not actively working on Xron.

This could take any of the following forms:

1.  Transfering Xron to another developer. For historical reasons, Xron
uses GPL.

2. Starting a new product from scratch, without reference to the Xron
product. The new product could carry a different license. I would be
happy to give up the Xron name, in this case, if anyone wanted it for
the new product.

3. Building scheduling capabilities into Zope core.

Any takers?

-- Loren



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[Zope-dev] symlink product?

2000-10-12 Thread Neil K

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In order to make Shane's Symlink product (soft links to objects based on

Symlink product? Where can I find out more? I don't see anything in Shane's
member folder or by searching Zope.org.

I have written a Shortcut product myself. (It was fairly primitive so I
didn't have the heart to call it a symlink :)

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[Zope-dev] Re: Zope-Dev digest, Vol 1 #752 - 13 msgs

2000-10-12 Thread Itai Tavor

James Johnson wrote:

  2. I want to store a list of products, and give each one an
arbitrary
number of photos. I can use a Product ZClass, subclassed from
ObjectManager and store Image objects inside it.

Would using the new ZPatterns based EMarket-0.2.0a2 help as a base
system.  I would also look at the updated information on SkinScript
located here.
http://www.zope.org//Members/pje/Wikis/ZPatterns/SkinScriptSyntax
I hope this helps.

It's extremely helpful. I missed that SkinScript Wiki page, and I've 
been following the discussions about the ZPatterns-based EMarket but 
didn't realize it's been released. Thanks!
-- 
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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] Thanks for the comments

2000-10-12 Thread Phil Harris

As another side note, I generally make it into an eBook ready for the
Microsoft Reader.

If anyone's interested let me know.

Phil
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 On a side note, how about also including a PDF version (if possible) for
 us developers who are busy hacking away at source and don't have time to
 convert it ourselves... ;]

 Knight
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 On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Just out of curiosity, how often do you update the book (i.e., the
version on
  the web)?  Or, put another way, how long should we consider that
catching a typo
  or split infinitive will have already been brought to your attention but
hadn't
  yet made it to the web site?
 
  If you update on a continuous basis, then my question is moot.  However,
if you
  update on a periodic basis, could you drop me (or this list group) a
note to
  indicate that the next version is available for our hungry eyes?
 
  Just a suggestions...
 
  Ron
   ./.
 
   Just thought we'd mention that we have gotten lots of great comments
on
   the Zope book so far, especially in the last week or so.  You're all
   helping make it a better book and ensuring Zope's future.  if you've
   felt in the past that you may not be technically proficient enough to
   contribute to the technology of Zope, you can certainly contribute to
   the documentation by catching our mistakes and making good
observations
   and asking good questions. It is really, really helping.  Keep it up,
   cuz we're not done yet!
 
 
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] A couple of ZPatterns questions

2000-10-12 Thread Phillip J. Eby

At 06:15 PM 10/12/00 +1100, Itai Tavor wrote:
Hi,

1. I want to set some object attributes every time the object is 
changed (for example, to store the name of the user making the 
change). I looked at using a Generic Trigger or a SkinScript but I 
can't figure how to do it with either one.

With a Trigger, I guess I need to set "Set Sttrs" to all the object 
attributes except the ones I intend to set (otherwise, would setting 
an attribute in the Trigger cause the Trigger to be called again?) 
and then call a method to set the attributes - but how do I set the 
attributes? Do I have to call changeProperties for the object or can 
I make the change directly on the DataSkin?

You can only change the attributes directly by calling an External Method,
so changeProperties would be the more direct way.

You are correct that you must list the attributes *other* than the ones you
want to change, otherwise you will cause an infinite recursion.  In some
older versions of ZPatterns, you may get the recursion anyway.  :(


With SkinScript, I can't figure out the STORE and USING syntax... 
also, if I use WHEN OBJECT CHANGED to change the object, would I get 
infinite recursion? Can I evaluate REQUEST['AUTHENTICATED_USER'] in 
the SkinScript or do I need to call a method for that?

Yes, you can say REQUEST.AUTHENTICATED_USER.  No special methods needed.
To write SkinScript equivalent to a generic trigger, the form is:

WHEN OBJECT events STORE set attrs USING expression SAVING stufftosave

This performs the same as a generic trigger with the same parameters.



2. I want to store a list of products, and give each one an arbitrary 
number of photos. I can use a Product ZClass, subclassed from 
ObjectManager and store Image objects inside it. But what will happen 
to these objects if I use this ZClass in a Rack? And how would I 
handle storing the objects in SQL tables - I will need to somehow 
turn each Image object into a table entry, and the same Generic 
Attribute Provider will have to work with 2 SQL tables. Is there a 
nice way of doing this? Or should I store the photos in a separate 
ZClass and use it in another Rack in the Products Specialist?

I would not suggest trying to go the ObjectManager route.  ZPatterns does
not have a good way at present to map child objects into other databases.
Instead, a more custom approach would be appropriate, where you have say an
"images" attribute that is loaded/saved through SQL.  This has the
downside, however, of being either resource intensive or computationally
intensive.

However, it'd probably be best of all to have a Photos specialist, with a
getPhotosForProduct() method, addPhotoToProduct(), and so on.


Actually, I can't put an Image object on a DataSkin, right? So 
however I store it, it's going to have to be a my own custom Image 
object subclassed from DataSkin...

Not necessarily, it depends on your overall structure.  If you want to use
standard Zope Image objects you may indeed want to subclass from DataSkin.


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Re: [Zope] LocalFS on Win2k

2000-10-12 Thread Diny van Gool

Hi,

I had the same error with LocalFS on a NT 4.0 server. In my case it was a
security problem. Zope wasn't allowed to access the directory I used. Now I
placed my local files in a directory Zope is allowed to read and everything
is working fine.

Diny

At 18:11 11-10-00 -0400, Patrick Randerson wrote:

I'm trying to run LocalFS on Win2K, and access shared disks. I've read the
instructions for the LocalFS package and followed them...
When I try to access the LocalFS directory, I get:

Error Type: OSError
Error Value: [Errno 5] Input/output error

I'm thinking this is a python-windows interface problem. I have Zope
2.2.2, which seems to come with PyWin build 128. I have found a build 132,
but I can't install it because I don't have python installed -- only
standalone Zope.

Anybody using LocalFS to access shared drives on Win2k? 
I would love some pointers here...


DIVA, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine
Utrecht University,  The Netherlands
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Re: [Zope] How to see if two objects are the same (minor fix)

2000-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer

Ron Bickers writes:
  I want to see if an object is the one aqcuired from the root, but I'm
  hitting walls.
  
dtml-var "PARENTS[-1].myObject"
dtml-var "myObject"
dtml-var "PARENTS[-1].myObject is myObject"
  
  This returns the following when in the root folder context:
  
TinyTable instance at 8684ad8
TinyTable instance at 8684ad8
0
What you see here, is Zope's (more precisely ExtensionClass's)
acquisition magic:

when you access "object.attribute", you (usually)
will not get the object corresponding to
"attribute" but a new object:

"attribute.__of__(object)"

i.e. the attribute object in the context of
"object".

When you look up an attribute of this object,
it will first in the object itself and
when it does not success there, it will look
in the context.
That is what you like with acquisition.

The downside:

  When you access the "same" object via different
  contexts, you will in fact get different objects
  (as the contexts are different).
  "is" will return false, as it should be.

But, even, if you use "==", you will get "false".
There have been some discussion in the list, whether
this is the best behaviour.

What can you do?

You can use the "aq_base" attribute to strip
away any context and get to the base object.

At least in Zope 2.2.1, "aq_base" was not exposed
to DTML. Thus, you would need an external method,
say "getBaseObject", to get at the base:

def getBaseObject(object):
return getattr(object,'aq_base',object)

With this function, you can compare the base objects:

  dtml-var "getBaseObject(myvar) is getBaseObject(PARENT[-1].myvar)"

   Be careful, however:
 Even, if such a test returns true for two objects,
 the objects may nevertheless have
 different behaviour (as the contexts are different).


Dieter


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Re: [Zope] Easiest way to turn X-Forwarded-For to Remote-IP?

2000-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer

Marcin Kasperski writes:
  I use Zope via Apache proxy, what causes some trouble (all remote IPs
  for Zope are equal to 127.0.0.1).
  
  As I finally installed mod_proxy_add_forward, I get original address in
  X-Forwarded-For header (REQUEST['HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR']).
  
  The question is: can I do something easy to automatically perform
   if(remote_ip = 127.0.0.1 and X-Forwarded-For exists) then
set remote_ip = whatever is in X-Forwarded-For
  logic? In particular, I would like changed IP to be used by Zope access
  control and Zope log.
We have had similar problems.

Friendly people from NIP made a HowTo patch Apache to let the
information through.

If you do not want to patch Apache, you can use a SiteAccess (-- zope.org)
AccessRule in your top (logical) folder to modify your
REQUEST object as you like.


Dieter

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[Zope] int and string comparisons

2000-10-12 Thread Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)


This is the snippet
 dtml-in "_.range(1,32,1)">
 option value="dtml-sequence-item;"
 dtml-let item=sequence-item>
 dtml-if begin_day>
 dtml-if expr="item ==
REQUEST.begin_day"> selected /dtml-if>
dtml-comment>CONVERTIR A INT/dtml-comment>
 /dtml-if>
 /dtml-let>
 >dtml-sequence-item;/option>
 /dtml-in>
The comparison fails because item is an int and REQUEST.begin_day is
a string(i guess). How can I coerce item into a string, or
REQUEST.begin_day into an int?
I tried python's builtin int() function around REQUEST.begin_day.
Won't work.
Any suggestions?
--
Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)



[Zope] Re: How to use standard html headers and footers properly (was: Re:[Zope] Namespace problems...)[Zope] Namespace problems...)

2000-10-12 Thread Lars Heber

Hi,

first, thanks for your advice!

"Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)" schrieb:

 dtml-with pub
dtml-let titel="_.string.join(['This is the website of  ',
 enterpriseName])"
   dtml-var standard_html_header
/dtml-let

 on your document, WILL work fine.

 But I suggest recreating standard_html_header as a METHOD and calling

OK, once again:
My standard_html_header is still a METHOD!!!
And within it, I DO access to the variables of the calling document /
method!


 dtml-with pub
 dtml-var standard..
 /dtml-with

That's _exactly_ what I did! I only inserted a dtml-let
someVar="someValue" to pass this var to standard_html_header.


 Since methods don't have properties, they will use calling object's
 properties.  Read again.  Do NOT use DTML documents for headers and
 footers.  Use METHODS.

I DON'T!

 So I stored my headers and footers and many other things in
 root/intra/pub.

 All the other documents are stored in root/intra and below.

 I've got my standard_html_header, with which I can display
 user-defined
 titles which may also contain values of global properties. The
 user-defined title is being built in the document before the header
 is
 called, e. g. something like:

Look above!

 In the standard_html_header !!!_method_!!!  I'm checking
 whether there is a titel attribute or not.

 This works fine.

 But for general use I want to keep the possibility of displaying the

 title_or_id of the document when I don't introduce a user-defined
 title.

 This would be no problem if s_h_h wasn't situated in root/intra/pub,
 so I have
 to call it within the dtml-with pub.

 But calling it within the dtml-with pub, pub is on the top of my
 namespace, so that calling title_or_id returns the title_or_id of
 the container of s_h_h, i. e.
 pub,   INSERTED:   and not as wanted the title_or_id of the calling
 document!

 How can I nevertheless access within the s_h_h to the title_or_id of
 my
 original document?   INSERTED:   i. e. explicitely accessing to a
 layer of the namespace which isn't on its top!

Hope I now explained it well enough.
Thank you very much.

Lars


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[Zope] aq_base

2000-10-12 Thread Chris Withers

Dieter Maurer wrote:
 At least in Zope 2.2.1, "aq_base" was not exposed
 to DTML. 

...and I don't think it ever would or should be sicne it strips off all
security context and would probably let you do 'bad things' :-S


cheers,

Chris

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Re: [Zope] What contains an object....

2000-10-12 Thread Chris Withers

Ron Bickers wrote:

   dtml-var "PARENTS[-1].myObject == myObject"
 
 So, is there another way in DTML I can see if an object was acquired from
 PARENTS[-1] or not?  Is there a way to check an objects container out of
 context?

Hmmm... try the following as a replacement for the above stuff:

dtml-var "myObject in PARENTS[-1].objectValues()"

cheers,

Chris

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Re: [Zope] Need preferred 'import' format for ReportLab Image module

2000-10-12 Thread Chris Withers

Tony McDonald wrote:

 to reply to Andy? In my own reportlab distribution I changed;
 import Image
 to
 from PIL import Image

Well, it sounds right and if it works then it probably is ;-) It
probably depends exactly where you install PIL, though, which I haven't
done yet :-S

cheers,

Chris

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Re: [Zope] Don't think so

2000-10-12 Thread Chris Withers

Paul Winkler wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Has anyone run up against a limitation on the number of
 users that can be in
 one acl_users folder? Either a hard limit or a practical
 limit?

IIRC, zope.org's acl_users has about 11,000 people in it without too
many problems...

Ethan, can you confirm?

cheers,

Chris

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Re: [Zope] int and string comparisons

2000-10-12 Thread Chris Withers

"Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)" wrote:
 dtml-if expr="item == REQUEST.begin_day" selected /dtml-if

Try replacing the above with:
dtml-if expr="item == _.int(REQUEST.begin_day)"

...and stop posting HTML to a non-HTML list!

cheers,

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RE: [Zope] int and string comparisons

2000-10-12 Thread Seb Bacon

if you're submitting from a form, you can coerce strings into other data
types by giving the form items special names, e.g.:

input type=text name=foo:int
input type=text name=bar:float

Your REQUEST then has variables called foo and bar which are ints and
floats, respectively.

also, don't post html mail - not everyone can read it.

seb.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Manuel Amador
(Rudd-O)
Sent: 12 October 2000 09:12
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Zope] int and string comparisons


This is the snippet
   dtml-in "_.range(1,32,1)"
option value="dtml-sequence-item;"
dtml-let item=sequence-item
dtml-if begin_day
dtml-if expr="item == REQUEST.begin_day" selected /dtml-if
dtml-commentCONVERTIR A INT/dtml-comment
/dtml-if
/dtml-let
dtml-sequence-item;/option
  /dtml-in
The comparison fails because item is an int and REQUEST.begin_day is a
string (i guess).  How can I coerce item into a string, or REQUEST.begin_day
into an int?
 I tried python's builtin int() function around REQUEST.begin_day.  Won't
work.
Any suggestions?
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Re: [Zope] SybaseDA and ASA

2000-10-12 Thread Ralph Heinkel

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, you wrote:
 I've installed zope 2.2.2, and compiled sy_occ.so for SybaseDA against
 sybase-common-cantrememberversion.rpm from Sybase.  (I assume it's the
 latest one).  Loading python and importing sy_occ works perfectly.
 
 BUT, I can't create a SybaseDA SQL connection object .  Specifically,
 trying to create it sez connection failed.  I've tried EVERY POSSIBLE
 parameter combination on the creation form.  None worked.
 
 By the way, I'm using Adaptive Server Anywhere for linux, 6.0.3.  It is
 NOT ASE.  It is ASA.
 
 Does sy_occ work with ASA, or only with ASE?  Any experiences?


Last week I was trying to upgrade from Zope V 2.1.6 (with working sybase
adapter) to a 2.2.x version, and my sybase adapter stop working (yes I
recompiled it). We are using ASE 11.9.2 on a linux box. Seems like Zope has
introduced some incompatibilities which no one has discovered so far.

Ralph


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Re: [Zope] Easiest way to turn X-Forwarded-For to Remote-IP?

2000-10-12 Thread Marcin Kasperski

   As I finally installed mod_proxy_add_forward, I get original address in
   X-Forwarded-For header (REQUEST['HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR']).
  
   The question is: can I do something easy to automatically perform
if(remote_ip = 127.0.0.1 and X-Forwarded-For exists) then
 set remote_ip = whatever is in X-Forwarded-For
   logic? In particular, I would like changed IP to be used by Zope access
   control and Zope log.
 We have had similar problems.
 
 Friendly people from NIP made a HowTo patch Apache to let the
 information through.
 
 If you do not want to patch Apache, you can use a SiteAccess (-- zope.org)
 AccessRule in your top (logical) folder to modify your
 REQUEST object as you like.
 

Does there exist some sample of such usage? Can such a change be
performed before authorization?

I use SiteRoot to translate addressess between external and internal (in
subdirectories, not in main directory). Can those approaches be merged
one with another?

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[Zope] Content Management System

2000-10-12 Thread Seb Bacon

This query started out in a separate thread about permissions, but it's
sufficiently important to me to pose again here.

I've been struggling to make the CMS abilities of zope user-friendly enough
for 'joe average' end-users.  Really it's designed for a 'power' content
manager who delegates, secures, and generally has taken the time to study
all the Content Management docs, etc.  However, most of my clients don't
have those kinds of requirements and aren't that technologically savvy, so I
end up coding ultra-simplified interfaces for them on a per-project basis.

I know you can restrict permissions on just about every available method,
and I am aware of the current skinnable zope project, which may improve the
situation drastically.  But I'm interested to know, how many of you offer
the Zope TTW interface to clients as a content management system, and how
many just use it as a development interface?  I'm beginning to wonder if
content management and system administration should be split out into
separate subsystems.  Or if a CMS Tool Kit should be developed.  (workflows,
syndication, etc...).  But I'm still far from being a zope power user
myself, and have yet to appreciate the range of its potential.

What do you people think?

Seb.


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RE: [Zope] Access Control vs Publishing Protoco

2000-10-12 Thread Seb Bacon

oops,

I forgot to foward my last mail on this subject to the list.  My response
here to Dieter's response captures contains the main points though...

I think, the implementation would be easy.
Management, however, would be more difficult, as there are no
good defaults for the "URL Traversable" permission.
It is not easy, to determine (e.g.) for a DTML method/document
whether it is only used as a component (such as
"standard_html_header") or is a full grown presentation method.
  
   Um, I don't think I understand.

[ snip ]

 Currently, Zope tries to have very few explicit, object specific
 permissions. The ideal is that permissions are specified high above in
 the hierarchy and acquired by lower objects.
 This is quite possible with the current scheme.
 Implementing an "URL accessible" permission would require
 much more tweaking of single object permissions.

 There are other ways to solve your problem by organization
 (putting things that should not be seen somewhere else)
 that do not require an additional permission.

Now I understand...
I would disagree, however: I think there is a sensible default value.  The
default would be that anonymous does not have 'traverable' permission, but
the manager / owner does.  The cases where an authenticated user is able to
traverse some objects but not others would, as you point out, be rare,
because you could instead manage these by organisation.  You would still use
organisation to avoid having to set too many additional permissions.
However, this solution would solve the 'security' issue of the anonymous
user being able to list objectIds in any folder TTW.  It would also allow
the developer more flexibilty in how they designed their application, which
can only be a Good Thing?

seb.




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Re: [Zope] Re: Upload just file headers?

2000-10-12 Thread Toby Dickenson

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:41:16 -0700 (PDT), knight
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infilename = REQUEST.form['attached_file'].filename  # Get filename
infile = REQUEST.form['attached_file'] # Get the file descriptor
myheader = infile.read(500)# Read up to 500 bytes
infile.close() # Close the stream

This should be in an external method or product.

I haven't tested whether or not this will only let the client upload the
first 500 bytes

Im sure it wont

it's very possible zope takes in the entire file, and
puts it into a buffer that is like a file descriptor (hence StringIO).

File uploads are spooled into a temporary file, and the request is
only dispatched into Zope once the whole request has arrived.

Anything smarter than that will require some ZServer hacking.


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[Zope] from is a reserved word?

2000-10-12 Thread iap_y2fun.com

Hi,The following dtml couse error,

dtml-comment
dtml-var "sendMail(from='hello@world')"
/dtml-comment

The workaround is to change "from"  to other words.

Iap, Singuan


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Re: [Zope] dtml-comment doesn't...

2000-10-12 Thread Chris Withers

"iap_y2fun.com" wrote:
 dtml-comment
 dtml-var "sendMail(from='hello@world')"
 /dtml-comment

Don't worry... the problems are mainyl caused 'cos dtml-comment
doesn't do what most people would expect it to...

*grinz*

Chris

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[Zope] [Job] Zope Job in France

2000-10-12 Thread Olivier Deckmyn

Jeune Start-up dans le monde de l'internet recherche développeurs/chefs de
projet Internet / Zope.

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d'applications avec Zope.

Connaissant bien HTML et HTTP, vous maîtrisez parfaitement au
moins un langage de programmation objet (Python, Delphi, Java, C++, ...).
Vous avez une connaissance de UML et de l'objet en général.
Une connaissance de XML et LDAP serait un GROS plus.
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De plus, vous avez une bonne connaissance des SGBDR et êtes capable
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Re: [Zope] Content Management System

2000-10-12 Thread Rik Hoekstra


 This query started out in a separate thread about permissions, but it's
 sufficiently important to me to pose again here.

 I've been struggling to make the CMS abilities of zope user-friendly
enough
 for 'joe average' end-users.  Really it's designed for a 'power' content
 manager who delegates, secures, and generally has taken the time to study
 all the Content Management docs, etc.  However, most of my clients don't
 have those kinds of requirements and aren't that technologically savvy, so
I
 end up coding ultra-simplified interfaces for them on a per-project basis.

 I know you can restrict permissions on just about every available method,
 and I am aware of the current skinnable zope project, which may improve
the
 situation drastically.  But I'm interested to know, how many of you offer
 the Zope TTW interface to clients as a content management system, and how
 many just use it as a development interface?  I'm beginning to wonder if
 content management and system administration should be split out into
 separate subsystems.  Or if a CMS Tool Kit should be developed.
(workflows,
 syndication, etc...).  But I'm still far from being a zope power user
 myself, and have yet to appreciate the range of its potential.

 What do you people think?


The PTK might offer you some help in this respect. Zope as a CMS _is_
possible, but IMO you'll have to wrap the parts of the management interface
that you want to expose to your users and hide the rest. This will
effectively limit you as to what you will let your users add to Zope, but in
a CMS situation, this will probably be the case anyway. The management
interface as is won't mean much to most of them, but custom forms can also
call the manage methods.
It's probably a good idea to use something like the HTML Widgets product
that was recently announced here, or the HiperDom thing.

For most of the user management parts you will probably need someone with
affinity for web developing, though as long as you keep the tasks
constrained, some simple instructions will probably suffice.

I have been developing something similar in what should be a course
framework (a product that I don't seem to be able able to finish) that is
geared toward an educational situation. It's predecessor has been in use at
a university for some time and it seems to suffice as least as good as
commercial packages.

hth

Rik


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Re: [Zope] Re: Upload just file headers?

2000-10-12 Thread Martijn Pieters

On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 03:54:17PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
 For example, take a .gif or .jpeg file and throw away all
 but the first (let's say) 1 kb of the file.
 If you try to open this truncated file with an image editor
 (gimp, photoshop, whatever) you'll have problems. But useful
 information is still stored in that first part of the file,
 as we can see using python and PIL.
 Example, on linux:
 
 head --bytes 1000 foo.gif  foo_truncated.gif
 python
 ...
  import Image
  test = Image.open('foo_truncated.gif', 'r')
  test.size
 (210, 210)
 
 So in this case, we can find out that foo.gif is 210 x 210
 pixels even if we only have access to the first 1 kb of the
 12 kb file.

This doesn't hold true for JPEG's. 

A JPEG encoded image consists of a set of segments, each encoding some
aspect of the image. The image dimensions can be found in the frame header
segment, but this segment may be preceded by tables, comments and
application specific data.

These extra segments could easily take up your 1K chunk. AP press for
example, uses an application specific segment to encode image metadata
such as subject, caption and photographer.

If you have a look at the Image dimension detection code for JPEGs you'll
see that it scans for a frame header (marked by C0, C1, C2 or C3 depending
on the encoding used). Once found, it extracts the width and height. More
information of the JPEG file encoding format can be found at:

  http://www.w3.org/Graphics/JPEG/itu-t81.pdf

For a GIF file, the first 10 bytes should suffice, for a PNG you need the
first 24.

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Re: [Zope] Need preferred 'import' format for ReportLab Image module

2000-10-12 Thread Rik Hoekstra


  to reply to Andy? In my own reportlab distribution I changed;
  import Image
  to
  from PIL import Image

 Well, it sounds right and if it works then it probably is ;-) It
 probably depends exactly where you install PIL, though, which I haven't
 done yet :-S

The Photo product and the ExtImage products do more or less the same - this
seems to become the standard way. It would be nice to have one place to put
PIL, though. the lib/python/shared directory would be a good place I think.

Rik


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Re: [Zope] Content Management System

2000-10-12 Thread Christian Scholz

Hi!

 I know you can restrict permissions on just about every available method,
 and I am aware of the current skinnable zope project, which may improve the
 situation drastically.  But I'm interested to know, how many of you offer
 the Zope TTW interface to clients as a content management system, and how
 many just use it as a development interface?  I'm beginning to wonder if
 content management and system administration should be split out into
 separate subsystems.  Or if a CMS Tool Kit should be developed.  (workflows,
 syndication, etc...).  But I'm still far from being a zope power user
 myself, and have yet to appreciate the range of its potential.
 
 What do you people think?

We have some client who use Zope for (at least partly) doing CMS
on their site. But these are quite simple (thus no commitments, etc.)
When switching from a database centered approach to a more Zope based
(e.g. doing it via Zope Products) I actually splitted the management
interface in one for the main manager (we) and one more simple and
configurable one for the clients (starting with /admin ).

I now used it in two subprojects and it seems to work. The only thing
I need to think about more specifically is how to factor out the 
client-side of the management interface more clearly as right now
it's very much weaved into the actual classes.

Also I am thinking about possibilities to split the actual data from
the presentation and to make the presentation pluggable. But this is
quite raw at the moment ;-)

cheers,
  Christian


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[Zope] dtml-in loop to capture records

2000-10-12 Thread Paul Zwarts

Hi all,

I have a number of simple forms that retrieve all occurences of a table
into editable fields in a page. Each input tag is named:

table stuff
dtml-in getList
 ...
 input type="hidden" name="item.fieldname:records:required"
value="dtml-fieldname;"
 ...
/dtml-in
/table

Note, only the primary key field is actually a hidden type input and the
rest are text and so on.

In test of the submit button, the dtml-sql method called is structured:

dtml-in item
update table
set
field2=dtml-sqlvar field2 type=nb
where field1=dtml-sqlvar field1 type=nb
dtml-sql_delimiter;
/dtml-in

and the conditions of the method are item:records.

The intention is to submit in one go the entire list of occurences and
update anything that has changed. You can do this with checkboxes valued
on the primary key and other ways. The important thing is to leave
something that you use as the key in the WHERE statement.

Okay, this works fine, in MOST of my forms, but I have other forms where
this doesnt work at all and I get errors saying that the ITEM is a bad
request. I dont get it, what am I missing here that this works some
places and in other places with almost identical syntax, it falls over.

The form is correctly tagged, does the name attrib of the form tag have
to do with the dtml-in item... doesnt seem to be but tried it. Im
wondering if because the dtml-document is quite large with seperate
subloops and forms that publish in a sequence of events that this doesnt
work.

Hopefully someone has insight I'm missing here?

Cheers and thanks again,

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[Zope] RE: aq_base

2000-10-12 Thread Ron Bickers

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 Dieter Maurer wrote:
  At least in Zope 2.2.1, "aq_base" was not exposed
  to DTML.

 ...and I don't think it ever would or should be sicne it strips off all
 security context and would probably let you do 'bad things' :-S

Well... aq_base appears to work just fine in a Python method (not external).
Is that a bad thing?

I ended up creating a sameObject Python method that compares two objects'
aq_base and it does what I expect.  I'm using it to determine if I need to
display the global menu under the local menu, or if the global menu *is* the
local menu, so different context behavior isn't an issue.

I suppose an upcoming Zope will take care of this problem if it gives the
intuitive results with an == comparison.

Thanks for all of your help!!
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[Zope] Competing writes and reindexing objects

2000-10-12 Thread Jason Spisak

Zopists,

I am trying to eliminate the competing writes that are plaguing my app
at the moment.
One way I know of is to make sure that people aren't creating/modifying
objects in the same folder at the same time.  This is becuase the parent
object gets modified too.  Does anyone have a "object creation/folder
distribution" code that works for them that they would be willing to
share?

Lastly, even if I distribute my objects, doesn't reindexing any Zope
object inthe Catalog at the same time create a conlict?  I'd love to
know if I'm fighting a losing battle here.

All my best,

Jason Spisak
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Re: [Zope] from is a reserved word?

2000-10-12 Thread Aleksander Salwa


On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, iap_y2fun.com wrote:

 Hi,The following dtml couse error,
 
 dtml-comment
 dtml-var "sendMail(from='hello@world')"
 /dtml-comment
 
 The workaround is to change "from"  to other words.


"from" is a python reserved word.

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Re: [Zope] RE: aq_base

2000-10-12 Thread Chris Withers

Ron Bickers wrote:
 
 Well... aq_base appears to work just fine in a Python method (not external).
 Is that a bad thing?

Probably, although someone from DC would need to comment why...

Hmm... Evan, should that be the case?

cheers,

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Re: [Zope] Need preferred 'import' format for ReportLab Imagemodule

2000-10-12 Thread Tony McDonald

At 2:37 pm +0200 12/10/00, Rik Hoekstra wrote:
to reply to Andy? In my own reportlab distribution I changed;
   import Image
   to
   from PIL import Image

  Well, it sounds right and if it works then it probably is ;-) It
  probably depends exactly where you install PIL, though, which I haven't
  done yet :-S

The Photo product and the ExtImage products do more or less the same - this
seems to become the standard way. It would be nice to have one place to put
PIL, though. the lib/python/shared directory would be a good place I think.

Rik

Is this because you're thinking of the binary releases of Zope?

If you're using the reportlab libraries, then you've probably 
installed them into /usr/local/lib/python1.5/site-packages (ie you're 
used to using source distributions). If you can do that, you're 
probably ok with putting PIL into lib/python/shared. So why not have 
it in site-packages?

Or have I missed something obvious (I probably have - it's been a looong day).

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[Zope] Database Pack

2000-10-12 Thread Júlio Dinis Silva

Hi all,

is there a way to do a pack to zodb without using the managment screens pack 
button?

Maybe a python script we could execute from the file system.

Regards,
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Re: [Zope] Re: Upload just file headers?

2000-10-12 Thread Paul Winkler

Martijn Pieters wrote:
 This doesn't hold true for JPEG's.
(snip)

Aha, thanks.
I'll have to think of a way to deal with this...

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Re: [Zope] Easiest way to turn X-Forwarded-For to Remote-IP?

2000-10-12 Thread Evan Simpson

From: Marcin Kasperski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Forwarded-For header (REQUEST['HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR']).
 Does there exist some sample of such usage? Can such a change be
 performed before authorization?

You could do this with an Access Rule in your root folder, containing:

dtml-call expr="REQUEST.set('REMOTE_ADDR', REQUEST['HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR'])"

Cheers,

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[Zope] [Fwd: Re: [Zope] dtml-in loop to capture records]

2000-10-12 Thread Paul Zwarts

Me again,

To further explain my dilemna, I just noticed that using the in ITEM
loop doesnt
seem to work if the dtml-call statement has an extra parameter. I had

dtml-call "verifyLog(mdate=mdate)"
publish..
dtml-in item
...
...
/dtml-in

Then use as in other working forms:

dtml-call verifyLog
publish..
dtml-in item
...
...
/dtml-in


Mdate is the primary key, again. This gave me the ITEM Bad Request
error.
Now, if I remove the mdate call, and remove the condition in the ZSQL
method, i can at least now get an error:

  File /var/Zope-201/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 502,
in
__call__
(Object: string)
  File /var/Zope-201/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line 691, in
renderwob
(Object: item)
  File /var/Zope-201/lib/python/Shared/DC/ZRDB/sqlvar.py, line 168, in
render
(Object: vswitch)
Missing Input: (see above)

So, the item is rendering. The variable named item.vswitch is not... nor
is
mdate which had to be named as an item.mdate instead of being passed in
the
dtml-call statement as an argument.

In forms where this works, i simply call the method and the item renders
everything in properly. Now I can do none it seems. One other note is
that I
var in the form that the input item.fieldname parts are contained, so
the
calling method to render item is not the same document as the item
components.

Oi,

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Re: [Zope] Database Pack

2000-10-12 Thread Oleg Broytmann

On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Júlio Dinis Silva wrote:
 is there a way to do a pack to zodb without using the managment screens pack 
 button?
 
 Maybe a python script we could execute from the file system.

   Just call the pack over HTTP. I run a cron job to do this.

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[Zope] Thanks : bobo : where to find it ?

2000-10-12 Thread Emmanuel DISCORS

Thanks to you Paul  Jim
Have found some 'Bobo' packages in tar.gz Zope archive. (V:2.2.2)
- DocumentTemplate
- ZPublisher
BUT NO BoboPos directory in the lib/python ; only ZODB.
Is there a mistake in the README.txt  or forget in the lib/python directory ?

Need a DB system to try the Trinkets.py (Having ZODB from Zope 2.2.2 
and BoboPOS3-alpha1  BoboPOS-2.0.2 from old backup...)  
What is the best way ? Old BoboPos or start now with ZODB ?

Thanks
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Jim :

We o longer distribute Bobo, although I'm sure you can find it on 
some archive somewhere.  Of course, the pieces that made up Bobo
are still available, in updated form, as part of the Zope distribution.

The medusa bobo is available in the medusa CVS in the contrib directory.
If there is still a medusa distribution, I imagine it contains this
directory too.

Jim

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Hello Emmanuel.  Bobo has been folded into Zope:

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Re: [Zope] Medusa Monitor

2000-10-12 Thread Hung Jung Lu

Thanks for the follow-ups on Medusa Monitor.

But as I can see (after using Zope for 1.5 years, now), few people actually 
use it. Unless one is really into the guts of Zope itself, the monitor is 
pretty useless for debugging. It of course could be made more useful, but 
one must implement some Python programs first. Even for dynamic reloading of 
modules, I usually just write External methods to do the job, instead of 
firing up the monitor.

A more useful debuging tool would be some monitor where you can receive 
print message logs in real time. That would be great, especially if you have 
multiple thread problems.

regards,

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[Zope] Problem with 2.2.2 and date properties?

2000-10-12 Thread Timothy Wilson

Hi everyone,

I'm having trouble with a ZClass I've created that uses, among others, two
date properties. I'm suddenly having problems creating new instances or
working with existing instances of my ZClass. I can't be sure, but it seems
like the onset of the problems coincided with my upgrade to 2.2.2. Has
anyone else seen any problems with date properties and Zope 2.2.2?

-Tim

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[Zope] Catalog and Proximity searches

2000-10-12 Thread Jason Spisak

Zopsters,

Does anyone know if the Catalog is supposed to do proximity searches,
ie:
"visual basic" would return the phrase.

Thanks,

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[Zope] Tiny tables

2000-10-12 Thread Graham Chiu


I would like to run some regular reports based upon
sqlmethods.  The input to these are a mixture of normal
values, and some tokenised values.

I tried storing these in tiny tables, but it doesn't seem
that tiny tables allow one to store tokens.  If I specify
the value as say, criteria:tokens, it gets changed to just
criteria.

Any suggestions as to how to store the input as tokens for
my reports?

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Re: [Zope] Medusa Monitor

2000-10-12 Thread Karl Anderson

Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 terry,
 
 you forgot the step of actually connecting to the monitor :) there is a very
 short howto on using the correct client program to log into the monitor at:
 
 http://www.zope.org/Members/teyc/howtoMonitorClient
 
 and similar info at:
 
 http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Misc/DEBUGGING.txt

I don't use the monitor anymore, I just mount the database from a
Python prompt:

lefty /usr/local/zope/2.2.0/lib/python= python
Python 1.5.2 (#1, Sep 17 1999, 20:15:36)  [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs- on 
linux-i386
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
 import ZServer, Zope
 app = Zope.app()
 dir(app)
['Control_Panel', 'QuickStart', '__allow_groups__', '_objects', 
'_product_ac_permissions', '_product_meta_types', '_product_permissions', 
'_product_zclasses', 'acl_users', 'apps', 'bookmarks', 'breadcrumbs', 'index_html', 
'standard_error_message', 'standard_html_footer', 'standard_html_header', 'tmp']
 

I'm not sure what the usefulness of the monitor is these days.  I
always run ZEO, so I don't have to stop publishing to connect to the
database from the prompt.

Does the monitor give you something that interactive python doesn't?
I do know that python in a shell is more robust than the monitor was -
the monitor used to crash when dumping lots of info, like printing a
large dictionary.

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[Zope] dtml-sqltest and capital column names

2000-10-12 Thread Oliver Bleutgen

Hi,

I'm using zope 2.2.2 with postgres 7.0.2 and ZPopyDA 0.6.4.

I encountered a problem with dtml-sqltest and capitals in column names.

Well, I simply couldn't get it to work because postgres requires
column-names with "special characters" like capitals to be enclosed
with quotation marks, ie. "COLUMNNAME" instead of COLUMNNAME -
IIRC '_' also won't work.

The problem is that dtml-sqltest only renders

  select * from table where COLUMNNAME='5' 
which will be interpreted by postgres like
  select * from table where columnname='5'


Unfortunatly dtml-sqltest bla column="BLA" type=int throws the
obvious error and everything else I tried didn't work too.

In the end I patched lib/python/Shared/DC/ZRDB/sqltest.py
to do what I want.

165,166c165,166

 if has_key('column'): self.column=args['column']
 else: self.column=self.__name__
---
 if has_key('column'): self.column='"'+args['column']+'"'
 else: self.column='"'+self.__name__+'"'


Any comment whether this would also apply/be necessary for other dbs?
And if not, would there a better place (anywhere in ZPopyDA)
to change/add some code?
Or did I just miss something obvious and there's a sane way 
to make dtml-sqltest work with postgres and capitals.

cheers,
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Re: [Zope] Database Pack

2000-10-12 Thread Karl Anderson

"Júlio Dinis Silva" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi all,
 
 is there a way to do a pack to zodb without using the managment screens pack 
 button?
 
 Maybe a python script we could execute from the file system.

Mount the database, then call manage_pack (untested python with cwd in
lib/python):

import ZServer, Zope
Zope.app().Control_Panel.Database.manage_pack(days = 1)

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Re: [Zope] Easiest way to turn X-Forwarded-For to Remote-IP?

2000-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer

Marcin Kasperski writes:
 As I finally installed mod_proxy_add_forward, I get original address in
 X-Forwarded-For header (REQUEST['HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR']).

 The question is: can I do something easy to automatically perform
  if(remote_ip = 127.0.0.1 and X-Forwarded-For exists) then
   set remote_ip = whatever is in X-Forwarded-For
 logic? In particular, I would like changed IP to be used by Zope access
 control and Zope log.
   
   If you do not want to patch Apache, you can use a SiteAccess (-- zope.org)
   AccessRule in your top (logical) folder to modify your
   REQUEST object as you like.
   
  
  Does there exist some sample of such usage? Can such a change be
  performed before authorization?
The SiteAccess HowTo (documentation?) contains an example how
to turn a path component into a REQUEST binding.
Your case is much simpler, very straight forward.

  I use SiteRoot to translate addressess between external and internal (in
  subdirectories, not in main directory). Can those approaches be merged
  one with another?
They can.
If you like, you can replace your SiteRoot (which in fact
are simple forms of AccessRules) with full
blown AccessRules and put the REMOTE_IP justification into them.
However, I would do it in the root folder to have it
at a single place.



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RE: [Zope] Access Control vs Publishing Protoco

2000-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer

Seb Bacon writes:
  
   Currently, Zope tries to have very few explicit, object specific
   permissions. The ideal is that permissions are specified high above in
   the hierarchy and acquired by lower objects.
   This is quite possible with the current scheme.
   Implementing an "URL accessible" permission would require
   much more tweaking of single object permissions.
  
   There are other ways to solve your problem by organization
   (putting things that should not be seen somewhere else)
   that do not require an additional permission.
  
  Now I understand...
  I would disagree, however: I think there is a sensible default value.  The
  default would be that anonymous does not have 'traverable' permission, but
  the manager / owner does
The "traversable" permission would be an additional requirement
to view any object. Its main purpose would be to distinguish
between "use via Web" and "use in DTML only".
"standard_html_*" would be usable in DTML but could not be viewed
via the web. They would not give "traversable" permission to
Anonymous.
Many DTML objects, however, would need to give the "traversable"
permission even to Anonymous in order to be useful.


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[Zope] Re: aq_base

2000-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer

Chris Withers writes:
  Dieter Maurer wrote:
   At least in Zope 2.2.1, "aq_base" was not exposed
   to DTML. 
  
  and I don't think it ever would or should be sicne it strips off all
  security context and would probably let you do 'bad things' :-S
I do not think,
an object without any acquisition (and security) context is a big
security risk.
The lack of a security context means, that the default
security setting built into the Zope security policy is
used. In Zope 2.2.2., this means, only "Manager" can do anything,
unless the object itself mapped some permissions itself
to roles (which then remain valid even for the base object).

However, I see another danger.
As old (now fixed) bugs in "ZopeFind" have demonstrated, objects stripped
of their acquisition context lead to very strange errors, where
suddenly even Manager cannot use the object any more.
Thus, I agree that "aq_base" should not be exposed, even if for a
different reason.


Dieter

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Re: [Zope] Using ProxyPass and SiteRoot

2000-10-12 Thread Fred Yankowski

It looks to me like you'd need the following in Apache's httpd.conf:

NameVirtualHost 206.131.108.102

VirtualHost 206.131.108.102
ServerName www.isd197.k12.mn.us
ProxyPass / http://206.131.108.103:8080/
ProxyPassReverse / http://206.131.108.103:8080/
/VirtualHost

and the following settings in a SiteRoot object at the root of the Zope
tree for the site: 

base:   http://www.isd197.k12.mn.us
path:   /

Timothy Wilson wrote:
 I've been developing a new Zope site on a separate machine at
 http://206.131.108.103:8080/ using just ZServer and I would like to use
 ProxyPass to pass a request for www.isd197.k12.mn.us through to this new
 site.

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[Zope] dtml-if and dtml-var question

2000-10-12 Thread complaw

First, thanks for the help these last several days.  I'm glad to report that I
have a useful Zope site up and running that is the envy of the law firm.

Now its time to get a little fancy.  Unfortunately, after having read the DTML
Reference, and the Zope Quick Reference, I still haven't been able to figure out
how to get today's date into a dtml-var.  Case in point:

I want to put a table of dates and hyperlinks.  If the day has already passed, I
want to shade the table cell (td bgcolor="gray").  In this case, the object
has a date property called event_date.

table
tr
  dtml-if expr="event_date  DateTime()"
td bgcolor="gray"
  dtml-else
td bgcolor="white"
  /dtml-if
/td
/table

The above code gives me a NameError.

Another example would be to simply get the integer value of the year so that it
can be included in a copyright statement.  E.g.,

Copyright copy; dtml-var Year(), All rights reserved.

Unfortunately, this doesn't work either.

Can someone point me in the right direction?






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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] Thanks for the comments

2000-10-12 Thread complaw

Just out of curiosity, how often do you update the book (i.e., the version on
the web)?  Or, put another way, how long should we consider that catching a typo
or split infinitive will have already been brought to your attention but hadn't
yet made it to the web site?  

If you update on a continuous basis, then my question is moot.  However, if you
update on a periodic basis, could you drop me (or this list group) a note to
indicate that the next version is available for our hungry eyes?

Just a suggestions...

Ron
 ./.

 Just thought we'd mention that we have gotten lots of great comments on
 the Zope book so far, especially in the last week or so.  You're all
 helping make it a better book and ensuring Zope's future.  if you've
 felt in the past that you may not be technically proficient enough to
 contribute to the technology of Zope, you can certainly contribute to
 the documentation by catching our mistakes and making good observations
 and asking good questions. It is really, really helping.  Keep it up,
 cuz we're not done yet!



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[Zope] Computed attribute access (was: [Zope] dtml-with syntax question)

2000-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer

Geoffrey L. Wright writes:
  I think I am finally getting a decent handle on namespace issues in
  Zope, and I can now with the dtml-with tag with reasonable efficacy in
  simple situations. But I have run into something of a brick wall on
  one issue.
  
  What I would like to be able to do is something like this:
  
  dtml-with objectName1
   dtml-var attribute1
   dtml-var attribute2
   dtml-var attribute3
   dtml-with folder.subFolder.objectName2
  dtml-var attribute1
   /dtml-with
  /dtml-with
  
  Where objectName2 is actually an attribute of objectName1.
It seems (though it is not clear) that you want a
computed attribute access?

   Your "objectName2" is an attribute of "objectName1"
   and contains the "id" of an object in "folder.subfolder"?

Then, you use "_.getattr". That's for accessing an attribute
you have the name for (and the name is not constant).

In your case, you would use it as:

dtml-with "_.getattr(folder.subFolder,objectName2)"


Dieter

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Re: [Zope] dtml-let ?

2000-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer

Mark Twiddy writes:
  Im totaling columns returned from a zsql thingy is there an easy way to do
  this in dtml.
dtml-in can do that for you.

Look at the dtml-in documentation, section "variables for statistics".


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Re: [Zope] help!- version locked up site

2000-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer

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  I cannot view my site...the version has locked it up with the following 
  message (I cannot even delete the version- which is not currently open):
  Error Type: VersionLockError
  Error Value: ("'\\000\\000\\000\\000\\000\\002\\303\\007'", 
  'h101Latest')
Your problem description is not very clear.

Are you completely unable to access your site?
Apparently not, as you can try to delete the version.

Try to go to your version, use the "save/discard" tab
and discard (or save) your version. This should remove
the look.

If you can no longer access your site, it might help
to delete "var/Data.fs.tmp". Be carefull! Make a backup before!
I do not know, what will happen.


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Re: [Zope] Any limit on number of users?

2000-10-12 Thread Dieter Maurer

Paul Winkler writes:
  Has anyone run up against a limitation on the number of
  users that can be in
  one acl_users folder? Either a hard limit or a practical
  limit? 
"UserFolder" uses a dictionary to manage its users.
This implies, if one user object is accessed, the complete
dictionary is brought into memory (if it is not already there).
This might pose problems for a very large user number.



Dieter

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Re: [Zope] Any limit on number of users?

2000-10-12 Thread Andy McKay

Login Manager or Generic User Folder and Shanes excellent BTreeFolder
provide a solution for a large number of users.

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 Paul Winkler writes:
   Has anyone run up against a limitation on the number of
   users that can be in
   one acl_users folder? Either a hard limit or a practical
   limit?
 "UserFolder" uses a dictionary to manage its users.
 This implies, if one user object is accessed, the complete
 dictionary is brought into memory (if it is not already there).
 This might pose problems for a very large user number.



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Re: [Zope] dtml-with syntax question

2000-10-12 Thread \Geoffrey L. Wright\ Geoffrey L. Wright

Chris Withers writes:
  "Geoffrey L. Wright" wrote:
   
   Where objectName2 is actually an attribute of objectName1.
  
  
   dtml-with objectName1
   dtml-var attribute1
   dtml-var attribute2
   dtml-var attribute3
   dtml-with objectName2
  dtml-var attribute1
   /dtml-with
   /dtml-with
  
  The above should now work...
  
  ...if it doesn't please explain in what way ;-)
 
Hmmm...  OK.  Here is my relevant code, complete with resulting error message:

dtml-with sidebar_item

  dtml-var attribute1
  dtml-var attribute2
  etc...
 
  dtml-with gsi_content
dtml-with inventory
  dtml-with attribute3
dtml-var short_desc
  /dtml-with
/dtml-with
  /dtml-with

/dtml-with sidebar_item

And Zope sez:

  Error Type: KeyError
  Error Value: short_desc

attribute1, attribute2 and attribute3 are all attributes of
sidebar_item.  If I change the dtml-with attribute3 to read 
dtml-with weepee_the_weewee (where weepee_the_weewee is the actual
name of the object I'm trying to refer to), then  I see the short_desc
attribute of weepee_the_weewee perfectly.

Don't I have to do something in my syntax to indicate that I'm looking
for the the value of attribute3 rather than an object with the literal
id "attribute3"?

  cheers,
  
  Chris

Dazed  Confused,

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Re: [Zope] Medusa Monitor

2000-10-12 Thread Hung Jung Lu

I know that, the stupid log file thingy. But you'll have to write an 
independent thread to display the log file (or peek the file manually each 
time), or implement some CString stuff to capture the file output (if that 
is possible).

It'll be more fun if all this is already done, and the user can just tap 
into the monitor console screen (even remotely).

A good monitor should actually display hit information, memory usage, etc, 
and preferably with charts, all in real time. Too much to ask? I don't think 
so. :)

Hung Jung

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Hung Jung Lu writes:
   A more useful debuging tool would be some monitor where you can receive
   print message logs in real time. That would be great, especially if you 
have
   multiple thread problems.
You know Zope's logging support?

It provides a kind of "print message logs", you receive in real time
(in your log file).



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Re: [Zope] Using ProxyPass and SiteRoot

2000-10-12 Thread \Geoffrey L. Wright\ Geoffrey L. Wright

knight writes:

  Timothy,
  
  Without going into too much detail, you are going to want to set up a
  virtual host in apache for the hostname www.isd197.k12.mn.us, and inside
  that virtual host you will want to add your ProxyPass lines similar to my
  example:

[...]

And just for reference, here's another working example with ProxyPass:

  NameVirtualHost 172.17.10.13

  VirtualHost 172.17.10.13
  ServerName syslog.integritysi.com
  ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ProxyPass / http://vishnu.integritysi.com:8080/syslog/
  ProxyPassReverse / http://vishnu.integritysi.com:8080/syslog/
  ProxyPass /misc_ http://vishnu.integritysi.com:8080/misc_
  ProxyPass /p_ http://vishnu.integritysi.com:8080/p_
  ErrorLog logs/syslog.integritysi.com
  TransferLog logs/syslog.integritysi.com
  /VirtualHost

Good luck, and don't forget to enable the ProxyPass module.


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Re: [Zope] Medusa Monitor

2000-10-12 Thread Terry Kerr

Useless for debugging?  I find it very useful and sometimes necessarybut
I right all my products in python so maybe it is different for ZClass people.

terry


Hung Jung Lu wrote:

 Thanks for the follow-ups on Medusa Monitor.

 But as I can see (after using Zope for 1.5 years, now), few people actually
 use it. Unless one is really into the guts of Zope itself, the monitor is
 pretty useless for debugging. It of course could be made more useful, but
 one must implement some Python programs first. Even for dynamic reloading of
 modules, I usually just write External methods to do the job, instead of
 firing up the monitor.

 A more useful debuging tool would be some monitor where you can receive
 print message logs in real time. That would be great, especially if you have
 multiple thread problems.

 regards,

 Hung Jung

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Re: [Zope] Medusa Monitor

2000-10-12 Thread Terry Kerr

I don't think the monitor gives you any advantage?  I have never used a ptyhon prompt 
before...I will have to give it a go.

terry

Karl Anderson wrote:

 Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  terry,
 
  you forgot the step of actually connecting to the monitor :) there is a very
  short howto on using the correct client program to log into the monitor at:
 
  http://www.zope.org/Members/teyc/howtoMonitorClient
 
  and similar info at:
 
  http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Misc/DEBUGGING.txt

 I don't use the monitor anymore, I just mount the database from a
 Python prompt:

 lefty /usr/local/zope/2.2.0/lib/python= python
 Python 1.5.2 (#1, Sep 17 1999, 20:15:36)  [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs- on 
linux-i386
 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
  import ZServer, Zope
  app = Zope.app()
  dir(app)
 ['Control_Panel', 'QuickStart', '__allow_groups__', '_objects', 
'_product_ac_permissions', '_product_meta_types', '_product_permissions', 
'_product_zclasses', 'acl_users', 'apps', 'bookmarks', 'breadcrumbs', 'index_html', 
'standard_error_message', 'standard_html_footer', 'standard_html_header', 'tmp']
 

 I'm not sure what the usefulness of the monitor is these days.  I
 always run ZEO, so I don't have to stop publishing to connect to the
 database from the prompt.

 Does the monitor give you something that interactive python doesn't?
 I do know that python in a shell is more robust than the monitor was -
 the monitor used to crash when dumping lots of info, like printing a
 large dictionary.

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Re: [Zope] help!- version locked up site

2000-10-12 Thread sean

Thanks,  I did figure it out and when I go into save/discard 
version and discard I was able to get back to normal. 


On 12 Oct 2000, at 23:27, Dieter Maurer wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   I cannot view my site...the version has locked it up with the following 
   message (I cannot even delete the version- which is not currently open):
   Error Type: VersionLockError

   Error Value: ("'\\000\\000\\000\\000\\000\\002\\303\\007'", 
   'h101Latest')
 Your problem description is not very clear.
 
 Are you completely unable to access your site?
 Apparently not, as you can try to delete the version.
 
 Try to go to your version, use the "save/discard" tab
 and discard (or save) your version. This should remove
 the look.
 
 If you can no longer access your site, it might help
 to delete "var/Data.fs.tmp". Be carefull! Make a backup before!
 I do not know, what will happen.
 
 
 Dieter
 



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Re: [Zope] Content Management System

2000-10-12 Thread Joachim Werner

 I'm beginning to wonder if
  content management and system administration should be split out into
  separate subsystems.  Or if a CMS Tool Kit should be developed.
(workflows,
  syndication, etc...).

We (iuveno) are currently preparing a major project to write a full-featured
CMS on base of Zope. The first client will be a university, but the system
will also be usable in commercial environments, and it will be open source
from the first day on (except for the client-specific stuff of course).

The first draft of the general architecture is as follows:

There is a ZClass- or Python-product-based toolkit that provides the
standard functionality, like base classes, workflow logic, etc.

Plugin ZClasses implement the actual organization logic, so you can choose
between building a university, a sports club, or maybe a consulting business
by just choosing the corresponding modules.

Chromes (logos, stylesheets, ...) and Views (page layouts) are also
implemented as plugins.

There will be a full-fledged workflow/project management component (at least
in the long run).

The concept will build upon ideas from the PTK and the ZDP-tools.

There is a very simple prototype we will make public after some clean-ups.
We are checking at the moment if we should set up a now project homepage or
wiki or join an existing effort like the ZDP-tool-based initiative of Maik
Röder on or the PTK.

BTW: My experience with "dumb users" working with the Zope interface is
quite positive. As long as they just have to add, change or delete
predefined objects it doesn't seem to be that bad. They just shouldn't have
to know about DTML or even acquisition.

Joachim.





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[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope] Thanks for the comments

2000-10-12 Thread Phil Harris

I'll stick onto my Zope members page

http://zope.org/Members/philh

Phil

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 Send it over ;]

 On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Phil Harris wrote:

  As another side note, I generally make it into an eBook ready for the
  Microsoft Reader.
 
  If anyone's interested let me know.
 
  Phil
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   On a side note, how about also including a PDF version (if possible)
for
   us developers who are busy hacking away at source and don't have time
to
   convert it ourselves... ;]
  
   Knight
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Just out of curiosity, how often do you update the book (i.e., the
  version on
the web)?  Or, put another way, how long should we consider that
  catching a typo
or split infinitive will have already been brought to your attention
but
  hadn't
yet made it to the web site?
   
If you update on a continuous basis, then my question is moot.
However,
  if you
update on a periodic basis, could you drop me (or this list group) a
  note to
indicate that the next version is available for our hungry eyes?
   
Just a suggestions...
   
Ron
 ./.
   
 Just thought we'd mention that we have gotten lots of great
comments
  on
 the Zope book so far, especially in the last week or so.  You're
all
 helping make it a better book and ensuring Zope's future.  if
you've
 felt in the past that you may not be technically proficient enough
to
 contribute to the technology of Zope, you can certainly contribute
to
 the documentation by catching our mistakes and making good
  observations
 and asking good questions. It is really, really helping.  Keep it
up,
 cuz we're not done yet!
   
   
   
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[Zope] non-Zope object attribute admin interface

2000-10-12 Thread \Geoffrey L. Wright\ Geoffrey L. Wright

Kindly Zopistas:

Am curious how to go about building an "alternate Property Sheet View" for
custom ZClasses.  The default view is great for me and other
developers, but I need to build the something that looks a bit more
customer-friendly.

I spend about 20 minutes looking around the Zope site, but haven't yet
turned about any useful information.  Perhaps somebody could point me
to a relevant HOWTO or some example code?

Many thanks!



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Re: [Zope] dtml-with syntax question

2000-10-12 Thread Tim Cook

"\"Geoffrey L. Wright\"

 Don't I have to do something in my syntax to indicate that I'm looking
 for the the value of attribute3 rather than an object with the literal
 id "attribute3"?

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. But I believe you
want:

dtml-with "_.getitem(attribute3)"
 

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Re: [Zope] non-Zope object attribute admin interface

2000-10-12 Thread Tim Cook

"\"Geoffrey L. Wright\"
 
 Kindly Zopistas:
 
 Am curious how to go about building an "alternate Property Sheet View" for
 custom ZClasses.  The default view is great for me and other
 developers, but I need to build the something that looks a bit more
 customer-friendly.
 
 I spend about 20 minutes looking around the Zope site, but haven't yet
 turned about any useful information.  Perhaps somebody could point me
 to a relevant HOWTO or some example code?

Take a look at the Job Board HOWTO. 

HTH,
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Re: [Zope] Connection Problem with Oracle

2000-10-12 Thread Ayhan Ergul

 I created a connection to an Oracle database. Frequently,
 the connection breaks and I got a database error in the page that
 displays the query result. When I logon as a manager I find that the
 connection is closed (by itself, nothing changed in Oracle or Zope),
 when I try to open it I get an error "Invalid connection string". Even
 if I create another connection it can't work.. After a while it
 works. Even after restarting the Zope server the problem persists.

I'm not sure why the same connection string would work only some of the
time. Maybe some other error from sqlnet is misreported. In any case, look
for sqlnet.log at the directory where zope was started. You can get more
info on the errors you're experiencing. Furthermore try running zope with
nohup and monitor the nohup.out file that gets generated. You can see how
frequently your zope goes down (if running as deamon under linux).

Frequent problems with Oracle setup stem from read permissions on files
used by sqlnet (e.g. message files). Make sure such files are readable by
whatever user your zope is running as. 

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