[Zope-dev] Passing namespace to method

2000-11-01 Thread Morten W. Petersen

How do I construct a method of an object, so that whenever that method
is called, the current namespace is passed with it?

I.e.:

class myclass:
[...]
def myfunc(self, context):
if context['sequence-index'] == 10:
raise 'sequence-index is %s' % \
context['sequence-index'] 

called from DTML, like so:

dtml-in "objectValues('Spam')"
dtml-var myfunc
/dtml-in

will raise an exception if sequence-index is 10 or more?

Specifically, the reason I want this function is that I feel using

dtml-if sequence-even
tr bgcolor="dtml-var color_sequence_even"
dtml-else
tr bgcolor="dtml-var color_sequence_odd"
/dtml-if

is a bit tedious (and ugly!) in the long run..

If this isn't implemented, where would the right place to implement it
be?

-Morten

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[Zope-dev] Management Interface Revision Proposal

2000-11-01 Thread Adam Davis

I have composed a proposal to make some small (but hopefully useful)
revisions to the Zope management interface for the 2.3 release. Please
see:
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ManagementInterfaceQuickFix

Comments are welcome until Friday, November 10th. Please enter any
comments at
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/ManagementInterfaceQFDiscussion.

-Adam

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[Zope-dev] [Ann] ZUnit released

2000-11-01 Thread Lalo Martins

Okay, the cat is out of the bag (in fact, going to Rio for the
weekend) and the worms are out of the can (better worms than
bugs, anyway). ZUnit, the Product all lazy programmers were so
afraid of, is available for review and download from your usual
shop at http://www.zope.org/Members/lalo/ZUnit completely FREE,
from the hands of your friends Lalo and Hiperlógica!

In comemoration of the release, we're holding the "meta-testing
contest": Whoever contributes some unit tests for ZUnit itself,
will win her name in the credits, plus a better and more stable
Product in the future, and an exclusive Warm Fuzzy Feeling (TM)!

Don't miss this oportunity! Check it out right now!

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[Zope-dev] ZPatterns Folder W/Customizer Support not aquiring title property

2000-11-01 Thread Bill Anderson

I have a Folder w/cs in my root folder, call it spamcan. Root folder has
a title defined, lets say it is "Spam Central"

A DTML Method in spamcan should display "Spam Central" when doing a
dtml-var title, should it not?


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RE: [Zope] Gadfly

2000-11-01 Thread Cornelis J. de Brabander

I am not sure what you all are talking about, but in anticipation of a more
adequate solution I am using a Gadfly database for a few years (sic!) now.
The table was created with a Z SQL method and is populated with a second Z
SQL method. Every now and then, when a restart of Zope is necessary, that
does not affect the contents of my Gadfly table in any sense. I guess the
"commit" is taken care of by the Z SQL method then? Furthermore, I live with
the assumption that every time the table is accessed it is loaded into RAM
in its entirety. Has that anything to do with the notion of persistence?
cb

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 Sent: dinsdag 31 oktober 2000 22:38
 To: Chris Withers
 Cc: jacintha menezes; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Zope] Gadfly


 Chris Withers writes:
   jacintha menezes wrote:
  
   I am using Gadfly database for Employee details.Kindly let me know
whether there is any maximum limit for the space available.
  
   Probably related to the memory in the machine you are running Zope on.
  
   Bear in mind that gadfly databases are not persistent and loose their
   contents when you restart Zope.
 It is very easy to make them persistent.
 When I remember correctly, it was only necessary to pass "commit"
 to Gadfly.


 Dieter

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[Zope] acl_users API

2000-11-01 Thread Harris Peter

Hi
I have given up trying to manipulate acl_users from DTML for now -
I'm sure it's possible  because here and there on this list and on the
Zope site I see hints that it can be done. However, I can't find
(for example) a HOWTO anywhere that describes the API of
acl_users and what you can do with it.
Someone out there must do this sort of thing all the time, so don't be
shy, write that HOWTO!
(Or if I'm being really thick and there is one, just let me
know where it is!)
Failing that, maybe someone can suggest where to look in the
Zope python source to find the methods acl_users exposes.

Thanks 
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RE: [Zope] My Items will not show themself in manage_main (objectItems)

2000-11-01 Thread Max Møller Rasmussen

From: Ender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

First os all. Thank you for the patience. I know it is boring to "Solve
other peoples problems for them", but I am really trying hard myself,
reading the source 
of Zope and other products. It's just such a steap learning curve because it
is underdocumented. (I have 6+ years of experience in web scripting and 12+
in programming + database overall, so usually i catch on fast.)

 I was under the impression that when I inherit ObjectManager that my
object
 would be a complete ObjectManager. But do I have to overwrite some
methods
 with my own?

No you don't but generally an objectmanager would wants to add some
custom logic, like a Folder which is a specialized objectmanager.

I don't want that in this product. It should just be a plain folder, where
anything can be put. Well at least Foders, images and dtml methods.

ok, i'm not certain that i understand your problem. you original problem
was getting dtml methods to show up in the manage views. in your product
your it appears that your methods aren't really dtml methods that are
contained within the objectmanager but rather class methods of the
discussion class. to have them show up in the manage_views you need to
change them to be methods that are added to a discussion object.

In my mxm_diskuss class I have a list containing messages:

self.testComments = [.] (will be renamed to "comments" when it's done.)

These comments are not meant to be seen in the folder view, they should only
be visible when called through dtml methods. like this method to make a list
of all messages:

index_html:
dtml-var standard_html_header
dtml-in testComments
ba href="view?id=dtml-var id"dtml-var title/a/b 
By: dtml-var author idtml-var date/ibr
/dtml-in
dtml-var standard_html_footer

What I find "brilliant" about the idea is that when a customer wants a
discussion group I only have to change 3 standard dtml files to give it a
new functional interface. And I can build a library of look and feels. And
there is no recursion in it so it will behave like a list, and be easily
codeable from dtml.

The last discussion product ever needed :-) It will be ZPL (when it's done.)

here some code that illustrates how.
# add a folder for view
self.manage_addFolder('views')
# get a file handle
fh = open(join(Views_Dir, 'DiscussionIndex.dtml'))
# add a DTML method with contents of the file.
self.views.manage_addDTMLMethod(id='news_center_index_html', file=fh)

a method created this way will show up in the manage_view of the object.

My problem is not adding object programatically, but doing it in the
management  interface. When I add them I can press "add  edit" and I can
paste the dtml source, and the method works. But they don't show up on the
list when viewing the folder.

Well I guess that if I dont have to do anything special to add objects to an
objectmanager, then I must have a permission problem when viewing them. I
guess I will look more into that. Currently I am lookin for a permission
that prevents seing the ObjectItems in an objectmanager, but so far without
any luck.

grr... documentation.

Kind regards Max M

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[Zope] unacquired lock?

2000-11-01 Thread Robin Becker

My CVS version Zope is hanging strangely and when I keyboard ctrl-c it
I see the following traceback

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "C:\Python\devel\Zope\z2.py", line 757, in ?
asyncore.loop()
  File "C:\Python\devel\Zope\ZServer\medusa\asyncore.py", line 146, in
loop
poll_fun (timeout, map)
Error in sys.exitfunc:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "C:\Python\Lib\threading.py", line 475, in __exitfunc
self._Thread__stop()
  File "C:\Python\Lib\threading.py", line 397, in __stop
self.__block.notifyAll()
  File "C:\Python\Lib\threading.py", line 233, in notifyAll
self.notify(len(self.__waiters))
  File "C:\Python\Lib\threading.py", line 216, in notify
assert self._is_owned(), "notify() of un-acquire()d lock"
KeyboardInterrupt
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[Zope] GoLive

2000-11-01 Thread Stephan Goeldi

Does anybody know, if there is a way to automate GoLive for Zope? I have a 
customer who is Mac user. It seems to me, that GoLive is configurable to do 
almost every webdesign task without any knowledge. So I think there should 
be some upload automatism.

Is there? And are there known problems with Zope?


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[Zope] Re:GoLive

2000-11-01 Thread tom smith

on 1/11/00 10:47 am, Stephan Goeldi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Is there? And are there known problems with Zope?

"In theory" it all works fine. GoLive can ftp open dtml files. except
because they are called index_html and not index.html, GoLive thinks they
are text files and not html template files. This is such a pain. Using a
WYSIWYG tool (on a mac) to edit dtml would be cool.

This for me, effectively makes it too much of pain to use goLive. So close
and yet...

I think there's a trick where dtml files can be saved as index.html, and
then you create a method that redirects index_html or /whatever/wherever/ to
index.html in the same folder, but I'm not sure how to do that.  Someone has
shown how to do it on this list. Try searching here...
http://www.egroups.com/messages/zope

Using WebDAV (with goliath) may be an option.

I've found BBEdit to be OK, although creating new dtml files is errors.

Hope this helps

tom






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Re: [Zope] acl_users API

2000-11-01 Thread Aleksander Salwa

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Harris Peter wrote:
 Failing that, maybe someone can suggest where to look in the
 Zope python source to find the methods acl_users exposes.

lib/python/AccessControl/User.py
Viewing HTML sources of management screens may also help a lot.

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Re: [Zope] Sorry, resolved

2000-11-01 Thread Chris Withers

Danny William Adair wrote:
 
 Just had to add an "index_html" to the ZClass, now it works. So it looks as
 if "looking for index_html" starts at the ZClass itself.

It happens before then ;-)

index_html=None is always a handy one to add in Python Products so ti
doesn't get acquried from higher up...

cheers,

Chris

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Re: [Zope] Zope Book Beta

2000-11-01 Thread Chris Withers

Amos Latteier wrote:
 
 Chris Withers wrote:
 
  There a PDF of it anywhere?
 
 Not yet. I think that O'Reilly doesn't want us to produce any more
 public versions of the book until it is published. I'm double checking
 with them right now. Take a look at the copyright verbage on each book
 page to see what I'm talking about.

Kinda tough to check out/read/find mistakes in a book that's only
available as a set of html pages that aren't full text searchable

*grumble*

Chris

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Re: [Zope] preventing acquisition

2000-11-01 Thread Chris Withers

Robin Becker wrote:
 So if I have a path
 
 /A/B/C
 
 I would like to inhibit the behaviour that allows
 me to view
 
 /A/B/C/A and /A/B/C/A/B/C etc.
 
 to inhibit the first I can put something like
 
 dtml-if "PARENTS[0].id not in PARENTS[1].objectIds()"
  dtml-raise NotFound
   h2You're not supposed to be looking at
   dtml-var "absolute_url()" /h2
  /dtml-raise
 /dtml-if
 
 in my index_html, but this doesn't work for the second case. Is there a
 generic way to do this?

You could create a non-acquiring folder product and use that...

cheers,

Chris

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Re: [Zope] Proper way to do a search.

2000-11-01 Thread Chris Withers

Look at ZCatalog...

cheers,

Chris

"Jason C. Leach" wrote:
 
 hi,
 
 Is this correct:
 dtml-if _.count(_.str(title_or_id),'Bridge',0)
 Spam I am.
 /dtml-if
 
 This is part of a larger loop, that prints all the images in a folder with
 their titles. I'd like to search the object's title for the word Bridge,
 even though I know it has it, still it does not print my test phrase.
 
 Thanks,
 j.
 
 ..
 . Jason C. Leach
 ... University College of the Cariboo.
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[Zope] Installation on Linux

2000-11-01 Thread Lee Curtis

Hi All,

I feel like a bit of an idiot, but I can't find any info about installing
Zope until Unix - only Windows.

Can anyone give me a quick start guide ??




Much Appreciated



Lee Curtis


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Re: [Zope] Re:GoLive

2000-11-01 Thread Christopher J. Kucera

tom smith wrote:
 I think there's a trick where dtml files can be saved as index.html,
 and then you create a method that redirects index_html or
 /whatever/wherever/ to index.html in the same folder, but I'm not
 sure how to do that.

That should be pretty easy . . .  Zope will let you add objects that
have dots in the titles, so just put a method "index_html" in the
root folder which has the following line:

  dtml-var index.html

Then wherever there is "index.html", it will be displayed as the
default document (go Acquisition!).

Note that using a ".html" in files will make things a bit tricky
sometimes when coding Python statements, because in python, "index.html"
is looking for a property (or whatever) "html" in the object "index,"
which isn't going to exist, so you've got to be a bit cagey . . .

-CJ

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Re: [Zope] Zope Book Beta

2000-11-01 Thread Jason Cunliffe

- Original Message -
From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Not yet. I think that O'Reilly doesn't want us to produce any more
  public versions of the book until it is published. I'm double checking
  with them right now. Take a look at the copyright verbage on each book
  page to see what I'm talking about.

 Kinda tough to check out/read/find mistakes in a book that's only
 available as a set of html pages that aren't full text searchable

This is a really good point.

Just as open source benefits from real-time peer review, so do manuscripts
get better when fresh eyes and minds and go over them.

How about 'releasing' a PDF / HTML Doc with header/footers clearly marked:
'Preview Review copy for Copy-Editing use only. Not for general public or
commercial distribution'

The number of people who are likely to 'bootleg' the Zope book must be tiny.
Most will want to see the book sales thrive, so that Zope grows and gets the
wider recognition it deserves.And to save time and money when developing
Zope projects.
For such sophisticated 'free' software, a well written, well edited book is
a trivial price to pay.

The issue is how to get the best final copy to the printer in timely manner.
Peer review now by skilled expert readers is huge advantage to be tapped. No
matter how good OReilly are as publishers, I doubt they have many Zope
experts in-house at ORA... Because there are not yet that many in the world!

Most people are too busy anyway to be of much help. Anyone who wants to help
adn has the ability to do so should be engaged now not deterred. Everyone
will benefit if you act quickly now. Final stages of proofreading and
tweaking are time consuming adn take many hands and many heads to get right.
When done thoroughly this is the difference which makes a difference,
especially for technical books. Look at how much hideous fast junk is out
there in bookstores now. Look at how many books are a waste of paper and
time and money, simply because they were not properly checked and tuned.

good luck and best wishes
- Jason



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[Zope] Zope.org down?

2000-11-01 Thread Phil Harris

Subject says it all


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Re: [Zope] Re:GoLive

2000-11-01 Thread tom smith

on 1/11/00 2:31 pm, Christopher J. Kucera at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 tom smith wrote:
 I think there's a trick where dtml files can be saved as index.html,
 and then you create a method that redirects index_html or
 /whatever/wherever/ to index.html in the same folder, but I'm not
 sure how to do that.
 
 That should be pretty easy . . .  Zope will let you add objects that
 have dots in the titles, so just put a method "index_html" in the
 root folder which has the following line:
 
 dtml-var index.html
 
 Then wherever there is "index.html", it will be displayed as the
 default document (go Acquisition!).

This does the trick. Only when you get to complicated products like
Squishdot with lots of dtml files, it'll take some working out all the
broken links.

Why doesn't zope have a list of default file names... index_html,
index.html, default.html, whatever?



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Re: [Zope] Re:GoLive

2000-11-01 Thread tom smith

I thought for a minute you could add _HTML as a suffix type in GoLive's
network prefsthe icon changed but little else.

Anyone know if GoLive 5 with WebDav can edit dtml files...or Dreamweaver?

thanks

tom


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Re: [Zope] Zope Book Beta

2000-11-01 Thread Dan L. Pierson

"Jason Cunliffe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 - Original Message -
 From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Kinda tough to check out/read/find mistakes in a book that's only
  available as a set of html pages that aren't full text searchable
 
 This is a really good point.
 
 Just as open source benefits from real-time peer review, so do manuscripts
 get better when fresh eyes and minds and go over them.
 
 How about 'releasing' a PDF / HTML Doc with header/footers clearly marked:
 'Preview Review copy for Copy-Editing use only. Not for general public or
 commercial distribution'

I like this suggestion.  There are three of us (ranging from novice to
pretty experienced) here that were planning to print out copies of PDF
and go over them at home, none of us has the time to sit at work and
read/review the whole thing on a web browser.



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[Zope] manage_access problems

2000-11-01 Thread Mario Olimpio de Menezes


Hi,

I'm having a strange problem with my Zope installation I need
some help to solve.
When I try to access the security (manage_access) page of my
root Zope, I get the error listed below:

!--
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 222, in
publish_module
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in
publish
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
(Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in
publish
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
(Object: manage_access)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
(Object: manage_access)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/AccessControl/Role.py, line 255, in
manage_access
(Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/App/special_dtml.py, line 120, in
__call__
(Object: access)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_String.py, line 528,
in __call__
(Object: access)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_With.py, line 146,
in render
(Object: _.namespace(valid_roles=valid_roles()))
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/DocumentTemplate/DT_In.py, line 630, in
renderwob
(Object: permission_settings)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/AccessControl/Role.py, line 182, in
permission_settings
(Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
  File /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/AccessControl/Role.py, line 177, in
lambda
TypeError: (see above)

--

This only happen with root folder; in subfolders I can manage
security without problem, that is, I can access the page and add/remove
privileges, local roles, etc, even though I do not master it completely,
but this is another story.
Any help?
My zope configuration is:

Debian/GNU Linux 2.2 (potato)
zope 2.2.1
zope-guf 1.1.0
zope-pygresqlda 0.3rjr2
zope-renderable 0.2
zope-tinytable 0b2
zope-worldpilot 1.0.4



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Re: [Zope] Zope.org down?

2000-11-01 Thread Bill Anderson


Works for me.

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Re: [Zope] Zope.org down?

2000-11-01 Thread Dennis Nichols

At 11/1/00 03:22 PM, Phil Harris wrote:
Subject says it all

Well, not here but it does seem to have fallen back one or more days.

I'm also curious about the zope.org site performance. Zope is said to 
capable of a million hits per day on commodity hardware, yet zope.org 
receives only about 20% of that on its busiest days. This would not be 
remarkable except that the response times from zope.org seem to usually be 
10 seconds or so. I am on a T-1 line and 13 hops and 80ms from the zope.org 
server.

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Re: [Zope] Installation on Linux

2000-11-01 Thread Bill Anderson

Lee Curtis wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 I feel like a bit of an idiot, but I can't find any info about installing
 Zope until Unix - only Windows.
 
 Can anyone give me a quick start guide ??

http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/

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Re: [Zope] acl_users API

2000-11-01 Thread Bill Anderson

Harris Peter wrote:
 
 Hi
 I have given up trying to manipulate acl_users from DTML for now -
 I'm sure it's possible  because here and there on this list and on the
 Zope site I see hints that it can be done. However, I can't find
 (for example) a HOWTO anywhere that describes the API of
 acl_users and what you can do with it.

Try:
http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/

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Re: [Zope] Re:GoLive

2000-11-01 Thread Jeff Hoffman

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, tom smith wrote:

 I think there's a trick where dtml files can be saved as index.html, and
 then you create a method that redirects index_html or /whatever/wherever/ to
 index.html in the same folder, but I'm not sure how to do that.  Someone has
 shown how to do it on this list. Try searching here...
 http://www.egroups.com/messages/zope

Make a DTML Method called index_html in Zope's root folder containing:

  dtml-var index.html

Whenever Zope looks for index_html and can't find it, it will search the
acquisition path, acquire your root index_html, which will then include
your index.html. Magic. ;-)

 tom

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[Zope] zope.org mistake

2000-11-01 Thread ethan mindlace fremen

Um...

I inadvertently deleted the Data.fs whilst compressing it.  Then I
compounded my mistake by not remembering that the storage server still
had the inode open, and closed the storage server.

I have restored from the compressed version of the Data.fs, but it
appears that a day or so of information is missing.

Rest assured that I will not be so stupid in the future.

Thanks for your patience,
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[Zope] Re:GoLive

2000-11-01 Thread Chris Beaumont

Hmmm...  I don't know if this would apply..but..there *is* a howto on 
a method to allow requests for index.html tobe redirected to 
index_html. Basically the executive summary is that methods named as 
the various possible choices (index.html, index.htm, index.HTML, 
etc.) containing the single word ' index_html ' .. This has the 
effect of redirecting requests for those URLs to index_html in each 
directory. This would probably work in reverse, unless Zope would 
choke on the extension, which is I assume what you are talking about..

   If not, perhaps GoLive, Dreamweaver, etc, could be modified at some 
level to recognize as their default mime type text/html and not 
text/plain or whatever it is now..  (untested) so that index_html 
would be interpreted as a html file...

I use BBEdit myself frequently to edit DTML and although the nifty 
BBEdit formatting capabilities aren't available (and would probably 
get very confused by DTML if they were..) it still beats anything 
else I've seen for editing *existing* dtml pages..

(like Stephen said..)

My experiences have been with BBEdit 5.x, has anyone tried BBEdit 6.x 
with DTML?

Still, this is not the optimal fix, because I still use BBEdit, for 
example on a lot of other kinds of textfiles and HTML as the default 
behavior would be something I would have to keep turning off..

There has to be an easy way...I would be surprised if there wasn't 
some way to configure DTML capabilities into these programs..

it just will take a little creative thinking...

Of course a WYSIWYG tool could never in any way simulate the dynamics 
of a Zope site, so using them would still require DTML competency..

-Chris



on 1/11/00 10:47 am, Stephan Goeldi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Is there? And are there known problems with Zope?

"In theory" it all works fine. GoLive can ftp open dtml files. except
because they are called index_html and not index.html, GoLive thinks they
are text files and not html template files. This is such a pain. Using a
WYSIWYG tool (on a mac) to edit dtml would be cool.

This for me, effectively makes it too much of pain to use goLive. So close
and yet...

I think there's a trick where dtml files can be saved as index.html, and
then you create a method that redirects index_html or /whatever/wherever/ to
index.html in the same folder, but I'm not sure how to do that.  Someone has
shown how to do it on this list. Try searching here...
http://www.egroups.com/messages/zope

Using WebDAV (with goliath) may be an option.

I've found BBEdit to be OK, although creating new dtml files is errors.

Hope this helps

tom


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Re: [Zope] Have some help for free!

2000-11-01 Thread Chris Withers

Curtis Maloney wrote:
 
 On Wed, 01 Nov 2000, Dylan Chi wrote:
 
 Firstly, just so  you don't miss it,  PLEASE, do NOT send HTML encoded
 messages to this list.

...yeah, and a subject line of "I need help" isn't actually very helpful
:P

Chris

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Re: [Zope] Zope.org down?

2000-11-01 Thread ethan mindlace fremen

Dennis Nichols wrote:
 
 At 11/1/00 03:22 PM, Phil Harris wrote:
 Subject says it all
 
 Well, not here but it does seem to have fallen back one or more days.

I just sent a message explaining what happened to this list.

 I'm also curious about the zope.org site performance. Zope is said to
 capable of a million hits per day on commodity hardware, yet zope.org
 receives only about 20% of that on its busiest days. This would not be
 remarkable except that the response times from zope.org seem to usually be
 10 seconds or so. I am on a T-1 line and 13 hops and 80ms from the zope.org
 server.

My current tracking shows that zope.org is pretty snappy until the
server gets attacked from a bunch of spiders.  Because zope.org has a
huge quantity of pages (500+MB of (packed) content and climbing), and
because objects get loaded into ram as they get accessed, accessing
*everything* on the site multiple times causes zope to load things in 
out a lot, causing it to slow down.

IOW, if you have a zope running with, say, 100 mb of content (that's
2048 50 kb pages) on a box with, say 256mb of ram, and you have your
caching policy set very liberally, then you should be able to hit 30
requests per second, or 2.5 million hits per day.

Zope.org will be on hardware that stretches the notion of "commodity"
soon, but it will be sufficient such that all 500mb of our objects can
be floating about in ram if need be.  This should improve our
performance drastically.

Hope that helps,

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Re: [Zope] Re:GoLive

2000-11-01 Thread Fred Yankowski

On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 03:32:07PM +, tom smith wrote:
 Anyone know if GoLive 5 with WebDav can edit dtml files...or Dreamweaver?

With Dreamweaver 2.0 I can use File - Open to open and edit a file
with a name like "index_html", but when I define a Dreamweaver "site"
that encompasses files like "index_html" then Dreamweaver refuses to
open such files, putting up an alert that says "The file 'index_html'
could not be opened because Dreamweaver does not open files without an
extension'.  This is a major PITA.  Perhaps there is some
configuration parameter that would allow this, but I haven't found
it.  Maybe newer versions of Dreamweaver are more accomodating?

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Re: [Zope] Zope Book Beta

2000-11-01 Thread Tim Lynch


I wholeheartedly agree with Jason and Chris. I would very much appreciate a 
PDF version that could be easily printed, or read with Adobe's Reader. I hope
there is no hesitation over making a PDF version available because of fear it
will cut into sales of the bound volume. I think it would be just the opposite. 
I can easily think of examples (the original Tcl/Tk book comes first to mind)
where the printed copy closed the sale of the bound volume for me. 

I'll be purchasing multiple copies of the Zope book for my shop regardless.
(I tried to no avail to do a pre-order from OReilly's set yesterday :) Getting
a chance to proof an early version and perhaps contribute to making it better 
only increases my desire to purchase the eventual publication.

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 "Jason Cunliffe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   Kinda tough to check out/read/find mistakes in a book that's only
   available as a set of html pages that aren't full text searchable
This is a really good point.
  
  Just as open source benefits from real-time peer review, so do manuscripts
  get better when fresh eyes and minds and go over them.
  
  How about 'releasing' a PDF / HTML Doc with header/footers clearly marked:
  'Preview Review copy for Copy-Editing use only. Not for general public or
  commercial distribution'
 
 I like this suggestion.  There are three of us (ranging from novice to
 pretty experienced) here that were planning to print out copies of PDF
 and go over them at home, none of us has the time to sit at work and
 read/review the whole thing on a web browser.
 
 
 
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[Zope] FastCGI behind ZServer

2000-11-01 Thread Nicholas Lo



I have read a lot about the Apache/Zope/FastCGI configuration in this 
list. However, I just wonder if anyone have tried having a FastCGI 
Server behind ZOPE behind Apache?My problem is I 
have a Apache/Zope site (using proxypass) running for quite some time. 
And I'm very happy with it. However, until recently, I want to 
integrate some of my old FastCGI programs into my site. Those FastCGI 
programs works fine with Apache using mod_fcgi 2.2.8. However, I'd 
like to make ZOPE act as the middleman so that I can further process 
the results return from the FastCGI program before publishing to the 
web. Also, to prevent people from accessing the FastCGI services 
directly by modifying URLs on their browsers.web - httpd 
- zope - fastcgiRegards- 
Nick


Re: [Zope] Re:GoLive

2000-11-01 Thread Fred Yankowski

On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 08:31:09AM -0600, Christopher J. Kucera wrote:
 That should be pretty easy . . .  Zope will let you add objects that
 have dots in the titles, so just put a method "index_html" in the
 root folder which has the following line:
 
   dtml-var index.html

That obvious solution fails in some cases.  It failed for me the very
first time I needed it, when I tried to integrate web pages created by
the Web Studio tool into a larger Zope website.  Web Studio (ack,
phooey) creates a main index.html that uses Javascript to redirect to
another page that acts as the real entry point.  That Javascript code
gets confused when loaded via dtml-var index.html as above.  I
resorted to doing the following instead:

 dtml-call "RESPONSE.redirect(URL1 + '/index.html')"

So now it takes two redirects to get to the real page, darn it.  The
above _could_ redirect straight to the real entry page, but exact
knowledge of which page that is belongs to the subsite, not in my
code.  And it turns out that the subsite _has_ changed its entry page
since I set up the above code.

With Zope, simple things are easy, but slightly complex things tend to
be hard.   It's a weird learning/technology curve and I sure hope it
flattens out soon...
I've done a lot of website programming in PHP, Java, Perl, and
AOLserver/Tcl  -- none of those seem to have Zope's complexity at the
point of creating simple database-backed websites.  Zope doesn't even
have a decent self-registering user login system out of beta yet.
Sheesh.

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RE: [Zope] Installation on Linux

2000-11-01 Thread Eric Walstad

Hi Lee,
In the Zope book beta version there is a section on installing Zope on
Unix/Linux systems:
http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/UsingZope.html
- Or -
There are also a few good howtos on the Zope.org site, here's one to get you
started:
http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/HowTos/zopeinstall/ZOPE-INSTALL-HOWTO

Also, check out a list of Installation/Setup Gotcha's for beginners which
you should peruse the second you get stuck:
http://www.zope.org/Members/jens/docs/newbie_caveats

Then, when you have specific questions, search for answers on the mailing
list archive that NIP Limited has been kind enough to maintain.  This has
been a fantastic resource for me:
http://zope.nipltd.com/public/lists/zope-archive.nsf/

HTH,

Eric.

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//
//
// Hi All,
//
// I feel like a bit of an idiot, but I can't find any info about installing
// Zope until Unix - only Windows.
//
// Can anyone give me a quick start guide ??
//
//
//
//
// Much Appreciated
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Re: [Zope] Installation on Linux

2000-11-01 Thread complaw

 Lee Curtis wrote:
  
  Hi All,
  
  I feel like a bit of an idiot, but I can't find any info about installing
  Zope until Unix - only Windows.
  
  Can anyone give me a quick start guide ??
 
 http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/

If you are using RedHat (or one of its derivaties such as Mandrake) then I
suggest you look at:

http://www.zope.org/Members/nemeth/howtos/zopeandapacherh61

I think the explanation given in this HOWTO is superior to the one given in the
upcoming Zope Book.  (Maybe the guys doing the Zope book should incorporate it
and the "Gotchas for Zope Beginners" HINT HINT)

Ron
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[Zope] IMAP and Zope!

2000-11-01 Thread Spicklemire, Jerry

Morten says:

 If this sounds interesting, send me an email.=)

Is this one OK?

 I'm developing an Outlook/WorldPilot replacement which is much more 
 modular in design.  It will be released under the GPL.  When and where 
 I don't know yet. It stores messages in 'pure' ZODB format (that is, 
 the entire message is broken down and stored in various parts of the 
 object),  with _all_ the information from the original message stored, 
 in a structured and indexable way.

Watching the growing pains of an recently installed IMAP based Corporate 
E-Mail system makes me just a little queasy about using ZODB for mass 
storage. Volume is a very real problem, and Zope has it's own limits that 
must be considered.

I know it's formidable, but you may find the ZPatterns stuff useful.
One of the goals is to make it "easy" to swap out one storage for another. 

At first glance it strikes me as fairly straightforward to capture most of 
the relevant data that accompanies an E-Mail as RDBM "fields". Of course, 
a text blob, ZODB, or files may be more appropriate for the actual message 
content, and certainly for included files. 

ZODB is such a cool thing, but I'm still struggling with deciding what's 
best held as native ZODB "objects" vs. other possibilities. ZPatterns eases 
that quandary by making the choice flexible, and easy to "refactor" (fix!)
if / when you decide you "got it wrong". 

You might also check out the companion products "ExtFile" and "ExtImage"

http://www.zope.org/Members/MacGregor/ExtFile

which allow storage of "file" type data directly on the file system, yet 
keep related metadata in ZODB, for ZCataloging, etc.

 We're also including support for signing/verifying messages, with GnuPG.

Even Better!

Good Luck,
Jerry S.


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[Zope] QSurvey design

2000-11-01 Thread Stephan Goeldi

How can I change the HTML design of QSurvey 0.25?
I want it to use my standard_html_header and footer.

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[Zope] BBEdit and Zope (was GoLive)

2000-11-01 Thread Simon Coles

My experiences have been with BBEdit 5.x, has anyone tried BBEdit 
6.x with DTML?

I've used BBEdit 6.0 for occasional Zope use, and haven't really 
noticed a difference against version 5.x for editing DTML - but then 
again, I haven't been looking.

The *really* annoying problem with BBEdit 6.0 is that it doesn't 
respect FTP ports - it assumes the FTP server will be on port 21 - 
whereas 5.x would let you do zope.nipltd.com:8021 style server names, 
and did respect the port.

I mailed BBEdit technical support and they replied:

   Is there some way to get BBEdit 6.0 to respect the port number for FTP?

No, and BBEdit 5.1 is not designed to do this either. IF it worked in 5.1
this was purely by accident. The FTP tool in BBEdit currently only connect
to the standard ftp port.

If you need to connect to non-standard ports you should consider Anarchie,
NetFinder or Transmit all of which support "Edit in BBEdit: for easy
editing of files located on ftp servers. We may provide support for this
in a future release but I can not speculate as to when this might be
available (or promise that it will be).

So, looks like BBEdit 5.x will be on my hard disk for sometime to come :-(

(the two versions of BBEdit seem to coexist OK, I've even had both 
running at the same time).



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Re: [Zope] Zope Book Beta

2000-11-01 Thread Simon Coles

I wholeheartedly agree with Jason and Chris. I would very much appreciate a
PDF version that could be easily printed, or read with Adobe's Reader.

If you have the full version of Adobe Acrobat (you have to pay for 
it, as opposed to the free Reader) you can "Capture" web pages into a 
PDF. I created a PDF of the Zope Book beta to read on the train 
today. PDFs created in this way are full text searchable :-)

 From what people are saying I don't think I can redistribute the PDF 
I have created :-( However, if you have Acrobat, you can make one 
yourself :-)

BTW the book was very useful, I'll be recommending it when it comes out


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Re: [Zope] Hosting?

2000-11-01 Thread Stephan Goeldi

And, of course, I recommend our site http://www.leimental.net.

  I'm wondering if anyone can recommend a commercial Zope
  hosting service for me.

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Re: [Zope] Hosting?

2000-11-01 Thread Stephan Goeldi

Try http://www.leimental.net or http://www.goeldi.com (both german language)

500 MHz, 320MB RAM, CHF 49 a month (about
$28 I think). Bandwidth swiss standard.
RedHat Linux.

Try http://www.rackspace.com.

You can start off with a 600 MHz, 128 MB Ram, 30 GB EIDE drive for about
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Re: [Zope] MailHost: bcc broken ?

2000-11-01 Thread Ender

"Stefan H. Holek" wrote:
 
 On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Gregory Haley wrote:
 
  i was one of the participants in the recent discussion of zope bulk
  mail.  i'm wondering about the mechanics of sending the work of the mail
  to the actual sendmail server outside of zope.  would i do that by
  creating an external method which is program/script that accepts the
  data from zope and then passes them to the mail server?  any suggestions
  or details would be most appreciated.
 
 got me ;) I have not done this myself (yet), and I have firtshand
 knowledge of majordomo list management only. but I could think of
 something like this:
 
 a) very simple
 create a mailing list in your listmanager and have zope send the email to
 the list's address. voila, the rest is taken care of by the listmanager.
 
 b) a bit more involved
 if your addressee list changes (you create it on the fly with zope
 somehow) you could pass that list to the listmanager before sending email
 to it. in majordomo, a mailing list is simply a textfile containing a line
 for each subscriber's email address. make an external function to create
 that file and proceed like in a).
 
 HTH,
 Stefan
 

i've been thinking about bulk mailing in zope recently, one easy thing
to do is to change MailHost to use a persistent mail connection (i've
already submitted this as a patch to the Collector, if you're interested
email me), this should provide some marginal improvements. Another
method that should increase both speed and reliability is to directly
inject the mail into a relay smtp server's mail queue. this is
definitely mail server dependent but offers the greatest performance
gains and is capable of scaling and greater reliabiltiy (dependent on
mailserver). usings lists is a valid solution but it doesn't get at the
core question of how to send more mail messages from zope quickly and
reliably.


cheers 

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Re: [Zope] QSurvey design

2000-11-01 Thread Jim Washington

Hi, Stephan

QPages draw themselves.  The code is QPageClass:index_html, so replacing
the header information in that method with standard_html_header should
work.  You may want to include the css stuff in your header for question
formatting (needs to be in head, and that is why I broke tradition and
hard-wired the header). Standard_html_footer is still there, so that
should already work.

-- Jim Washington

Stephan Goeldi wrote:
 
 How can I change the HTML design of QSurvey 0.25?
 I want it to use my standard_html_header and footer.


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Re: [Zope] Zope Book Beta

2000-11-01 Thread Michel Pelletier

Fred Yankowski wrote:
 
 I agree completely that the Zope Book beta will get more reviewers,
 and better feedback to the authors, if it is available as PDF.

I agree, but this is completely out of our hands and we must focus more
on content issues at this point then distribution issues.  All of these
problems will get solved in the comming months, they just won't get
solved today.

-Michel

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Re: [Zope] Zope Book Beta

2000-11-01 Thread Michel Pelletier

Tim Lynch wrote:
 
 I wholeheartedly agree with Jason and Chris. I would very much appreciate a
 PDF version that could be easily printed, or read with Adobe's Reader. I hope
 there is no hesitation over making a PDF version available because of fear it
 will cut into sales of the bound volume. I think it would be just the opposite.
 I can easily think of examples (the original Tcl/Tk book comes first to mind)
 where the printed copy closed the sale of the bound volume for me.

I do not know what the reasons is.  I do know that when the book hits
the shelf, it will go under an open content license and we will be free
to distribute it in a myriad of flavors and you will have the freedom to
do with it what you please (according to the license).

 I'll be purchasing multiple copies of the Zope book for my shop regardless.

Thanks. ;)

-Michel

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[Zope] Products : dependencies (or who's on first?)

2000-11-01 Thread Aaron Straup Cope

Okay, here goes : 

I installed the PTK product some time ago, decided that it wasn't where I
needed to be right now and moved on to something else.

Today I finally decided to delete it from my Products folder. Shortly
afterwards, I noticed that both my existing FlexFAQ and ZDiscussion
objects were "broken" (with the little broken icons in the manager
view.) and Zope was spewing errors to STDOUT complaining that it "Could
not load oid" (I'm sorry, I don't have the traceback...doh!)

I could add new FF/ZD objects but I couldn't access the old ones.

I deleted ZDbase and ZDiscussion and restarted Zope. I couldn't import a
fresh copy of ZDiscussions.zexp (see error below) but suddenly my old set
up is working again. Except I can't create new ZD* objects since the
Product isn't installed. ( I can create new FF objects.)

In the meantime, when I restart Zope it prints errors about not being able
to install the "Wizard" product or the "Demo Portal" Products (see
below.) In the meantime, the "PTKDemo" and "PTKBase" Products keep showing
up the Products table even though I keep trying to delete them.

Can someone please help me understand what on earth is going on? Is the
ZODB corrupted? Have I inadvertently set up some level of dependency
across Products? I have done Google searches and seen that this has
cropped up on the mailing list before, but I can't seem to figure out how
to address the problem or insure that doesn't happen again.

I am still pretty new to all of this and I am having a hard time
understanding the relationship between alot of seemingly abritrary
errors. Any help would be very much appreciated. 

Thankseep!

a) Starting Zope

2000-11-01T20:01:04 ERROR(200) Zope Couldn't install Wizard
Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/OFS/Application.py, line 477, in
install_products
(Object: ApplicationDefaultPermissions)
(Info: Wizard)
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/App/Product.py, line 447, in
initializeProduct
(Object: Products.Wizard)
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 264, in
_setObject
(Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 272, in
manage_afterAdd
(Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/ZClasses/ZClass.py, line 421, in
manage_afterAdd
(Object: Wizard)
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/ZClasses/ZClass.py, line 375, in
_register
(Object: Wizard)
Duplicate Class Ids

b) Importing ZDiscussions.zexp

Traceback (innermost last):
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 222, in
publish_module
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 187, in
publish
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/Zope/__init__.py, line 221, in
zpublisher_exception_hook
(Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 171, in
publish
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/ZPublisher/mapply.py, line 160, in
mapply
(Object: manage_importObject)
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 112, in
call_object
(Object: manage_importObject)
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 509, in
manage_importObject
(Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 264, in
_setObject
(Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/OFS/ObjectManager.py, line 272, in
manage_afterAdd
(Object: Traversable)
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/ZClasses/ZClass.py, line 421, in
manage_afterAdd
(Object: ZDTopic)
  File /usr/local/zope.old/lib/python/ZClasses/ZClass.py, line 375, in
_register
(Object: ZDTopic)
Duplicate Class Ids: (see above)




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Re: [Zope] Zope Book Beta

2000-11-01 Thread Michel Pelletier

Jason Cunliffe wrote:
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   Not yet. I think that O'Reilly doesn't want us to produce any more
   public versions of the book until it is published. I'm double checking
   with them right now. Take a look at the copyright verbage on each book
   page to see what I'm talking about.
 
  Kinda tough to check out/read/find mistakes in a book that's only
  available as a set of html pages that aren't full text searchable
 
 This is a really good point.
 
 Just as open source benefits from real-time peer review, so do manuscripts
 get better when fresh eyes and minds and go over them.
 
 How about 'releasing' a PDF / HTML Doc with header/footers clearly marked:
 'Preview Review copy for Copy-Editing use only. Not for general public or
 commercial distribution'

This is a good idea and probably a good compromise, but this would
require us taking the time to negotiate it with O'Reilly and engineer a
stx-pdf converter and pre-empt alot of work we have lined up for the
book and other documentation efforts.  With the existing setup, we don't
have to worry about this for a couple months and we don't have to stir
the shit with O'Reilly.

 The number of people who are likely to 'bootleg' the Zope book must be tiny.

I agree, and honestly, Amos and I don't care about the bootlegging or
book sales revenue.  It is also not our job to enforce the rules; I
would chuckle to hear about people 'bootlegging' ilicit PDF copies of
the book.

 Most will want to see the book sales thrive,

Yeah, NY Times bestseller list!!!

 so that Zope grows and gets the
 wider recognition it deserves.And to save time and money when developing
 Zope projects.
 For such sophisticated 'free' software, a well written, well edited book is
 a trivial price to pay.
 
 The issue is how to get the best final copy to the printer in timely manner.

Well... from your perspective (and ours) but from O'Reilly's I think
they're woried about *who* the first person to print that best final
copy is.  Those are the people they are worried about bootlegging the
book, not you, they _know_ you'll buy a copy.  ;) If we open content it
now, someone could beat ORA to the shelves by a week and undercut a
sizable percentage of sales and all they would ahve to do is put ORAs
name on the cover, but they don't get any money.

I feel your pain on all issues.  A couple more months and this will all
go away.

-Michel

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[Zope] Help! Zope Crash

2000-11-01 Thread Edward Muller

I am running a Zwiki site at http://www.handhelds.org:8080/wiki. This site has
become invaluable to our growing handhelds.org community as a place to collect
information. But, sadly our zope server keeps dyingNo idea why

Sometimes the zope server can be up for a few days, sometimes only a few
hours. I am not sure what is causing this or how to go about tracking it
down. Is there anything I can do?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: [Zope] GUF, ZODB, and 2.2.2

2000-11-01 Thread Andrews, Martin

I am not using the ZODB as the backend, but I did have to patch GUF to get
it to work with zope 2.2.2. Caveat emptor: I have no idea if this patch is
really correct, I pretty much stole the little piece of code from
LoginManage (which has a similar disclaimer).

Martin Andrews

 -Original Message-
 From: Jason Byron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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 Subject: [Zope] GUF, ZODB, and 2.2.2
 
 
 Has anyone had luck getting GUF to work using ZODB to
 store the user info, and Zope version 2.2.2 (no hot
 fixes)?
 


 guf-getuserbyid.patch


Re: [Zope] Zope Book Beta

2000-11-01 Thread Jason Cunliffe

- Original Message -
From: Michel Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Just as open source benefits from real-time peer review, so do
manuscripts
  get better when fresh eyes and minds and go over them.
 
  How about 'releasing' a PDF / HTML Doc with header/footers clearly
marked:
  'Preview Review copy for Copy-Editing use only. Not for general public
or
  commercial distribution'

 This is a good idea and probably a good compromise, but this would
 require us taking the time to negotiate it with O'Reilly and engineer a
 stx-pdf converter and pre-empt alot of work we have lined up for the
 book and other documentation efforts.  With the existing setup, we don't
 have to worry about this for a couple months and we don't have to stir
 the shit with O'Reilly.

This is truly nuts...
Sounds a like you guys are tired and just want it done and printed now.

So please just let us know whom we should contact directly at OReilly.

This really is not 'stiring the shit'.
Publishing staff are always over worked especially copy-editors. They will
appreciate some timely comments, from some [free] Zope experts to help them
get their work done quicker and better.

Hell, they can even use it on the blurb to help sell the book and get some
nice 'OpenSource reaches the Book Publishing World'-type reviews !!

I find it hard to believe given the significant role OReilly have in
openSource, Python etc that they would not be happy to embrace a __tiny__
experiment in this direction.


  The issue is how to get the best final copy to the printer in timely
manner.

 Well... from your perspective (and ours) but from O'Reilly's I think
 they're woried about *who* the first person to print that best final
 copy is.  Those are the people they are worried about bootlegging the
 book, not you, they _know_ you'll buy a copy.  ;) If we open content it
 now, someone could beat ORA to the shelves by a week and undercut a
 sizable percentage of sales and all they would ahve to do is put ORAs
 name on the cover, but they don't get any money.

 I feel your pain on all issues.  A couple more months and this will all
 go away.

A couple of months from now is exactly when the pain will be felt!
You open the book and go ooops! damn how'd we miss that one..?

Then the reviews come and say "Been really looking forwards to this
milestone book for a long time. It is well written by two members of the
core Zope team but unfortunately"

Please don't confuse controlled easy accesss for willing proofreaders, with
public licensing and e-distribution models. Those CAN be sorted out later.

Just as employees and freelancers working for Publishers have access to
manuscripts, so should and can designated members of the Zope community.
These are not annonymous strangers.

I have been reading and printing out various chapters of the book from
http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/ over the past month. Then saved out a
bunch of the HTML files and printed to PDF. Took 'em round the corner for
cheap fast b+ printout and had comb binding put on then. It was worth the
$15 for print+binding just to be able to scan on planes and while I was
travelling.  It already gave me a much better feeling and understnding of
Zope :-)

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Re: [Zope] Mapping tools with Zope

2000-11-01 Thread Janko Hauser

GIS-like applications are definitely a field where Zope can shine. But
most of the current MAP-Servers are interfacing with a RDBMS where a
lot of the logic is placed into the database. If one thinks of
geographic objects in a way of an object database like Zope, there is
a different architecture needed. For example I think of a RTree
indexing technic for the objects stored in the ZODB. This would open a
lot of possibilities and would cure one of the problems of current GIS
, where everything needs to be stored with a geographical view, which
makes it sometimes cumbersome to store legacy information or data with
a non gis semantic in these systems. On top of the RTree index one
could build a python framework to present the geographical part of
this data.

These are just thoughts from an earth scientist, who needs to deal
with this problem, and is in search for a solution.

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[Zope] ANN: HOWTO Use mod_gzip to accelerate Zope

2000-11-01 Thread Andres Corrada-Emmanuel

We are pleased to announce a new Zope HOWTO for the community: "Use mod_gzip to 
accelerate Zope." (http://www.zope.org/Members/Mamey/mod_gzip).

Mamey has been following the release of the mod_gzip module by Remote Communications 
(http://www.remotecommunications.com) since last week.
Working with the budding mod_gzip user base, we have been able to get a patched 
version to work on a RH 6.1 test server.

We invite everyone to take a look at this exciting technology that will benefit anyone 
that serves Zope via the Apache server.

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[Zope] Re: [Image-SIG] Properly integrating PIL, reportlab, and zope

2000-11-01 Thread Daniel Rusch

I have no idea if this will help you. We use PIL, reportlabs and zope to
create P.O.'s, to place a logo on the page we use the following line of
code:
 
c.drawInlineImage("gclogo_color.gif", .5*inch, 10.*inch,4*inch)

where c is created thusly:
c = canvas.Canvas(fileName,(PAGE_WIDTH*inch,PAGE_LENGTH*inch),
pageCompression=0)

HTH,

Dan


ed colmar wrote:
 
 Hi all!
 
 I am working on a project using zope and reportlab.
 
 The goal is to have uploaded images end up in a formatted PDF file.
 
 I have both of these halves completed, I need to figure out how to connect
 them.
 
 I have been using SquishFile.py as the wrapper around uploaded images, as is
 done in squishdot.  The few image types I have tried have displayed fine on
 screen, but PIL is not able to recognise the image.
 
 How would you go about wrapping the file in a PIL.Image() ?  I've been
 trying things similar to:
 
 cardimage=PIL.Image.open(self.uploadedimage)
 c.drawInlineImage(cardimage, 1,1)
 
 This gives an error in reportlab.canvas.convert()
 
 I tried using PIL.image.fromstring(), but I can't quite get the it to work
 out:
 
 filebytes=[str(self.uploadedimage.file_bytes()), 'bytes']
 cardimage=PIL.Image.fromstring(self.uploadedimage.content_type(),
filebytes,
self.uploadedimage.file_data())
 c.drawInlineImage(cardimage, 1,1)
 
 This gives a typeerror: PIL/Image.py, line 848, in new
 
 has anyone succesfully done this?  can I just Leave the SquishFile wrapper
 off if it is ONLY going to be images that get uploaded?
 
 Thanks for any ideas!
 
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[Zope] Mapping tools and Zope - SIG? Fishbowl?

2000-11-01 Thread twiens

I'm writing to all who responded to my query regarding mapping tools for
Zope or others interested in this issue. In one of the responses, was
the suggestion to start a SIG or Fishbowl.

At this point in time, I'm in a research phase for a project where a
mapping interface will be needed in Zope based web application. We are
starting to move into the design phase and so some technical decisions
will start to be made in the next two months at which point we will
begin building something.

I've received a number of other interesting replies about GIS and Zope
and possible solutions. These have ranged from "I know about this" to "I
use this" to "We should build something". I think there might be
sufficient interest in at least starting a SIG or Fishbowl or separate
list about the problem. Is there??

I'm personally a bit hesitant to even consider building yet another GIS
product. There are many of them out their (see www.freegis.org) for web
display, cartography, spatial analysis, etc. Obviously our interest here
is web interfaces, but these other products are testimony to the
ubiquitous nature of the problem; a good suite of comprehensive GIS
software solutions just doesn't exist, either for free or commercially
(IMHO). The approach my team will likely take on our project will be to
examine existing open source products and determine if there is one that
is sufficient to meet our needs and simply use it. If we can build some
tools around this product to facilitate it's future use with Zope by
others, we will open source those.

I would welcome the discussion of this issue, since it is important and
it is one of the up and coming needs for web applications. I would
welcome feedback from others who undoubtedly have significant experience
and knowledge to bring to this problem.

T
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Re: [Zope] Re:GoLive

2000-11-01 Thread Bill Anderson

Fred Yankowski wrote:
 
 On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 08:31:09AM -0600, Christopher J. Kucera wrote:
  That should be pretty easy . . .  Zope will let you add objects that
  have dots in the titles, so just put a method "index_html" in the
  root folder which has the following line:
 
dtml-var index.html
 
 That obvious solution fails in some cases.  It failed for me the very
 first time I needed it, when I tried to integrate web pages created by
 the Web Studio tool into a larger Zope website.  Web Studio (ack,
 phooey) creates a main index.html that uses Javascript to redirect to
 another page that acts as the real entry point.  That Javascript code
 gets confused when loaded via dtml-var index.html as above.  I
 resorted to doing the following instead:
 
  dtml-call "RESPONSE.redirect(URL1 + '/index.html')"

I avoid dotted names like th eplague, so my suggestion may not work but
you could try:

dtml-var "_['index.html']"

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Re: [Zope] Zope.org down?

2000-11-01 Thread andres

mindlace,

Check out my company's new HOWTO on an additional way to improve performance:

http://www.zope.org/Members/Mamey/mod_gzip

On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 11:38:42AM -0500, ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
 
 Zope.org will be on hardware that stretches the notion of "commodity"
 soon, but it will be sufficient such that all 500mb of our objects can
 be floating about in ram if need be.  This should improve our
 performance drastically.
 
 Hope that helps,
 
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[Zope] XML-RPC vs External method?

2000-11-01 Thread Irene Barg

Hello all,

I have setup a query form to query a small MySQL database using
Zope.  It consists of:

1.  ZMySQL Database Connection (ZMySQLDA)
2.  ZSQL method
3.  A search interface.

Now, what I want is the user to have the option of viewing the
results in HTML or raw XML.  I think there can be two approaches
to this:  1. External method, or 2. XML-RPC.

1.  External method:  Replaces the ZMySQL database connection 
with an external Python function called 'mysqldb_XML', pieces
of which follow:

def mysqldb_XML(self,query):
"""
Use a MySQL SAX driver to map relational data to XML.
Hacked from PyXML saxdemo.py.  The MySQL driver is a modified 
version of Sean McGrath's drv_mysql.py ("XML Processing with  
Python").
"""
from xml.sax import saxexts, saxlib, saxutils, writer
import sys,urllib

#Our MySQLdb XML driver;
driver="xml.sax.drivers.drv_mysqldb"
.
out = sys.stdout;
p=saxexts.make_parser(driver)
dh=writer.PrettyPrinter(out,dtdinfo=info)
try:
p.setDocumentHandler(dh)
return p.parse(query)
except IOError,e:
return in_sysID+": "+str(e)
except saxlib.SAXException,e:
return str(e)

Inside Zope, I get the ZSQL 'query' and do something like:

dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('content-type','text/xml')"
dtml-in "mysqldb_XML(query)"
  dtml-var sequence-item
/dtml-in


2.  XML-RPC:  It seems to me XML-RPC could do this too, but
I don't know how one would print out the raw XML response.
Could I have a Zope client request the ZSQL method above,
but instead of sending it to my output DTML method, I just
print the raw-XML stream?  Examples would be helpful:-)

It seems to me if XML-RPC already produces an XML formatted
stream, it would be more efficient to just use it (unless 
there is yet another way in Zope I'm not aware of).  Is it 
possible?  Is there any reason to want to use the external
method instead?

Thanks for your comments,

--irene 

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[Zope] Job opportunities

2000-11-01 Thread terry


Software Engineers

Join a small, motivated team to create the next generation of web
applications. The successful applicant will be comfortable working hard
to meet deadlines and enjoy the challenge of developing new skills and
innovative solutions on a day to day basis.

Skills Required:
  - Good knowledge of HTML4 necessary.
  - Zope and/or python experience highly desirable, but not
necessary
  - Basic javascript knowledge an advantage.
  - Experience developing software in a Unix environment prefered.
  - Experience in web application servers such as php, coldfusion,
or asp helpful
  - Commercial experience not necessary...will accepted graduates

Position: Permanent or contract.

Location:  Melbourne, Australia

Renumeration: 50k-80k depending on skills and experience.



Technical Writer / Trainer

Working with a small team of programmers, your role will entail
developement and maintenance of programmers documentation, and online
and printed user manuals and other sources of information for commercial
off-the-shelf software. You will also be involved in the shaping of
company documentation and training standards, and involved with product
planning and testing. It is necessary for you to be able to learn both
the technical and user aspects of the the companies software products,
and be able to liaise with subject matter experts to extract the
required level of detail. Prior experience in leading documentation
projects is essential, as with working knowledge of deskop documentation
publication tools. Experience in conducting training sessions a plus.
Work with a highly talented and motivated team, in a casual work/office
environment.

Position: Permanent or contract.

Location: Melbourne, Australia

Renumeration: 55k neg



Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  for further information and
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[Zope] OT Zope book images - PDF

2000-11-01 Thread Eric Walstad

In light of all the hubbub about the Zope book, I thought I would try and
make my own copy of it in PDF format (just for me, of course).  I'm finding
that Acrobat doesn't know how to convert the PNG image file type used in the
Zope Book.  (or rather, I don't know how to get it to work !)  Anyone know
how to get png files into Acrobat?  Oh, I'm trying to use their 'Open Web
Page' method of creating the document.  Is there another/better way that
will get the png images?
Thanks,
Eric.


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[Zope] Multi-lingual sites and workflow

2000-11-01 Thread Lee Hunter

I was wondering if anyone here has used Zope to create
bilingual/multi-lingual/localised websites.

I've done a number of bilingual (French and English) projects in recent
years using plain old html where the two language versions had to be kept
mostly symmetrical and its been a bit of a pain as the site grows to keep
the two versions in synch and make sure the translations are done on time
etc.

Its seems that Zope might help manage these kinds of projects - by smoothing
the workflow - tracking what needs translation, perhaps sending stuff to the
translator automatically, reporting on what's been done by who and comparing
the two language versions to make sure they are parallel. And perhaps even
sharing a common architecture - so that you didn't need two sets of DTML
methods etc.

I'm wondering if this fits into other generic Zope workflow products that
people have talked about developing or if it would have to be built from
scratch.

Anyone have thoughts on this subject?

Regards

Lee Hunter
Hum Communications Ltd.



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Re: [Zope] OT Zope book images - PDF

2000-11-01 Thread Phil Harris

Eric,

I got Acrobat to recognise the png's by first loading the html nto msword
and then 'printing' the PDF from there.

hth

Phil

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Walstad" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 12:58 AM
Subject: [Zope] OT Zope book images - PDF


| In light of all the hubbub about the Zope book, I thought I would try and
| make my own copy of it in PDF format (just for me, of course).  I'm
finding
| that Acrobat doesn't know how to convert the PNG image file type used in
the
| Zope Book.  (or rather, I don't know how to get it to work !)  Anyone know
| how to get png files into Acrobat?  Oh, I'm trying to use their 'Open Web
| Page' method of creating the document.  Is there another/better way that
| will get the png images?
| Thanks,
| Eric.
|
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Re: [Zope] XML-RPC vs External method?

2000-11-01 Thread Ender

if the xml format is simple you could just do it dtml, it would end up
with some extra white space but it would still be valid.

a dtml method akin to 

?xml version="1.0"?
dtml-in mysqlretrieve
item
contentdtml-var content/content
squishydtml-var squishy/content
/item
/dtml-in


kapil


Irene Barg wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I have setup a query form to query a small MySQL database using
 Zope.  It consists of:
 
 1.  ZMySQL Database Connection (ZMySQLDA)
 2.  ZSQL method
 3.  A search interface.
 
 Now, what I want is the user to have the option of viewing the
 results in HTML or raw XML.  I think there can be two approaches
 to this:  1. External method, or 2. XML-RPC.
 
 1.  External method:  Replaces the ZMySQL database connection
 with an external Python function called 'mysqldb_XML', pieces
 of which follow:
 
 def mysqldb_XML(self,query):
 """
 Use a MySQL SAX driver to map relational data to XML.
 Hacked from PyXML saxdemo.py.  The MySQL driver is a modified
 version of Sean McGrath's drv_mysql.py ("XML Processing with
 Python").
 """
 from xml.sax import saxexts, saxlib, saxutils, writer
 import sys,urllib
 
 #Our MySQLdb XML driver;
 driver="xml.sax.drivers.drv_mysqldb"
 .
 out = sys.stdout;
 p=saxexts.make_parser(driver)
 dh=writer.PrettyPrinter(out,dtdinfo=info)
 try:
 p.setDocumentHandler(dh)
 return p.parse(query)
 except IOError,e:
 return in_sysID+": "+str(e)
 except saxlib.SAXException,e:
 return str(e)
 
 Inside Zope, I get the ZSQL 'query' and do something like:
 
 dtml-call "RESPONSE.setHeader('content-type','text/xml')"
 dtml-in "mysqldb_XML(query)"
   dtml-var sequence-item
 /dtml-in
 
 2.  XML-RPC:  It seems to me XML-RPC could do this too, but
 I don't know how one would print out the raw XML response.
 Could I have a Zope client request the ZSQL method above,
 but instead of sending it to my output DTML method, I just
 print the raw-XML stream?  Examples would be helpful:-)
 
 It seems to me if XML-RPC already produces an XML formatted
 stream, it would be more efficient to just use it (unless
 there is yet another way in Zope I'm not aware of).  Is it
 possible?  Is there any reason to want to use the external
 method instead?
 
 Thanks for your comments,
 
 --irene
 
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Re: [Zope] Help! Zope Crash

2000-11-01 Thread Tim Cook

Edward Muller wrote:

 Sometimes the zope server can be up for a few days, sometimes only a few
 hours. I am not sure what is causing this or how to go about tracking it
 down. Is there anything I can do?
 
 Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Well, this may just be 'any help'. But A couple of months ago the
FreePM.org site would do the same thing. It did not seem to be
traffic dependent, maintenance ... etc.
Finally my host (http://www.michaelchaney.com thank you for
supporting opensource) changed out the memory in the machine. He
tried in the memory in a different machine  it worked fine. But
I have had the site go down since.


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Re: [Zope] Help! Zope Crash

2000-11-01 Thread Tim Cook

Tim Cook wrote:

 tried in the memory in a different machine  it worked fine. But
 I have had the site go down since.

Should be: I have not had the site go down since. 

(maybe I'll learn to proof my emails!)

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Re: [Zope] Help! Zope Crash

2000-11-01 Thread ethan mindlace fremen

Edward Muller wrote:
 
 I am running a Zwiki site at http://www.handhelds.org:8080/wiki. This site has
 become invaluable to our growing handhelds.org community as a place to collect
 information. But, sadly our zope server keeps dyingNo idea why
 
 Sometimes the zope server can be up for a few days, sometimes only a few
 hours. I am not sure what is causing this or how to go about tracking it
 down. Is there anything I can do?

make sure you start zope with the STUPID_LOG_FILE environment variable
set. Then, when your zope dies, look at the tail end of the log file. 
It should have a line that has an "Aiieee ! 12312 exited with error
code: xx".

The error code is what you should be looking at- it will tell you what
your OS reports the problem as being.  error 11 on linux is segfault,
which *may* be hardware related.

hope this helps,
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Re: [Zope] Help! Zope Crash

2000-11-01 Thread Ender

Edward Muller wrote:
 
 I am running a Zwiki site at http://www.handhelds.org:8080/wiki. This site has
 become invaluable to our growing handhelds.org community as a place to collect
 information. But, sadly our zope server keeps dyingNo idea why
 
 Sometimes the zope server can be up for a few days, sometimes only a few
 hours. I am not sure what is causing this or how to go about tracking it
 down. Is there anything I can do?
 
 Any help would be greatly appreciated.


i recently used the this howto to debug a zope site. 

http://www.zope.org/Members/mcdonc/HowTos/DEBUG-LOG

Its useful to see where your zope site might be hanging, dying.

although its easier to go through the results of the analyzer script if
you make the keys of request dict integers so you can get a sorted view.

hth 

Kapil

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Re: [Zope] incorporating generated sub-websites within a Zope site

2000-11-01 Thread Cees de Groot

Fred Yankowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
OK, this problem is largely the result of the crappy web-design tool
she's using, but I really have no control over that.  The subsite
manage/author doesn't know HTML and would be completely helpless with
Zope's "through the web" editing interface.

You could of course convert the structure of the site in DTML documents
that include the contents from Structured Text documents. Anyone can learn
STX, so she could edit the contents through the Zope interface.

Also a possibility, although I'm way out of my league here (I'm not a 
Windows user): WebDAV under '98. If you can explore the documents with
the '98 explorer, you should be able to edit them with any tool, not?

(I believe that anyone can learn HTML as well, given someone with
reasonable didactic skills and an hour or two of time). 

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[Zope] Zope.org uptime listed by netcraft

2000-11-01 Thread Philipp Auersperg



on www.netcraft.com I looked at the list 
with the websites having the 
maximum uptime and found - Zope - under the top 10 !

Check it out:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/today/top.avg.html

phil