Re: [Zope] UTF-8 problem with zope2.10 and postgresql

2009-11-07 Thread Andrew Milton
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| Andrew Milton wrote:
| > +---[ Martijn Pieters ]--
| > |  
| > |  2009/11/6 Garry Saddington :
| > | > I've always been amused by this 'outdated' technology thing, with
| > | > respect to dtml. Someone had better tell Linus to change his programming
| > | > language for the kernel, it's getting a bit old by now. How about c#,
| > | > that should do it.
| > | 
| > | It's a question of resources and maintainability. Few people have the
| > | time or the inclination to keep DTML going. Ergo, it'll die and we let
| > | you know so you can migrate away from it.
| > 
| > More likely, someone spiteful will deliberately break it or simply
| > remove it between releases without notice, that seems to be the "Zope
| > Way"
| 
| Really?  When have we deliberately broken stuff between releases without
| notice?  We've been pretty damned careful about BBB issues, AFAIK.

I don't really want to fill up an email with a litany of stuff, I'm
sure many people have their own pet-peeves about stuff being axed out,
but, I'll give you one.

PageTemplateFile stops Zope from starting if the file they refer to
does not exist, rather than the 'at-access-time' error they used to
generate. When you have place holder code and templates in abstract
base-classes, this sucks the big one let me tell you.

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Andrew Milton
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Re: [Zope] UTF-8 problem with zope2.10 and postgresql

2009-11-07 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 07.11.09 23:11, schrieb Tres Seaver:
> Andrew Milton wrote:
> > +---[ Martijn Pieters ]--
> > |  
> > |  2009/11/6 Garry Saddington :
> > | > I've always been amused by this 'outdated' technology thing, with
> > | > respect to dtml. Someone had better tell Linus to change his
> programming
> > | > language for the kernel, it's getting a bit old by now. How
> about c#,
> > | > that should do it.
> > |
> > | It's a question of resources and maintainability. Few people have the
> > | time or the inclination to keep DTML going. Ergo, it'll die and we let
> > | you know so you can migrate away from it.
>
> > More likely, someone spiteful will deliberately break it or simply
> > remove it between releases without notice, that seems to be the "Zope
> > Way"
>
> Really?  When have we deliberately broken stuff between releases without
> notice?  We've been pretty damned careful about BBB issues, AFAIK.
Absolutely right.

Andreas
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Re: [Zope] UTF-8 problem with zope2.10 and postgresql

2009-11-07 Thread Tres Seaver
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Andrew Milton wrote:
> +---[ Martijn Pieters ]--
> |  
> |  2009/11/6 Garry Saddington :
> | > I've always been amused by this 'outdated' technology thing, with
> | > respect to dtml. Someone had better tell Linus to change his programming
> | > language for the kernel, it's getting a bit old by now. How about c#,
> | > that should do it.
> | 
> | It's a question of resources and maintainability. Few people have the
> | time or the inclination to keep DTML going. Ergo, it'll die and we let
> | you know so you can migrate away from it.
> 
> More likely, someone spiteful will deliberately break it or simply
> remove it between releases without notice, that seems to be the "Zope
> Way"

Really?  When have we deliberately broken stuff between releases without
notice?  We've been pretty damned careful about BBB issues, AFAIK.



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