Re: [Zope-dev] [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 20 Dec 2005, at 19:47, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 20. Dezember 2005 14:27:18 -0500 Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just to be clear, the stuff I'm talking about is ZMI user interface docs, not programmer docs. I'll raise the question again: what are the benefits of the HelpSys

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Jim Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 19 Dec 2005, at 22:08, Jim Fulton wrote: Sounds good. I'll announce that the repo will be down for maintenance on the 25th, Just FYI, during a dry run this morning I hit an obvious snag

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 16:12, Jim Fulton wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Done Great. I can see http://svn.zope.org works just fine. With

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 18:47, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I don't know. IMHO it is an

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-22 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 16:15, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: With this upgrade in place I will do a new dry-run for the FSFS backend migration tomorrow morning. The test run ran through without any problems. Here's some stats: - dumping the existing repository took 12 minutes and resulted in a 1.1 GB

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 23 Dec 2005, at 14:48, Jim Fulton wrote: Jim, if you want to take a look at this new repository, it's under / root/fakesvn. I moved this to the normal repos area and changed the group to the zopesvn, so that everyone with access to the old repository should have access to this one. The

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 23 Dec 2005, at 14:57, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 23 Dec 2005, at 14:48, Jim Fulton wrote: Jim, if you want to take a look at this new repository, it's under / root/fakesvn. I moved this to the normal repos area and changed the group to the zopesvn, so that everyone with access

[Zope-dev] Main repository on svn.zope.org now with fsfs backend

2005-12-25 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
Hi all, Just got finished migrating the main repository on svn.zope.org away from the old BDB backend to a FSFS backend. Some quick tests show me that everything seems to be in order, including sending of commit messages. This means the repository is open for business again. jens

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving Five source code to svn.zope.org

2006-02-15 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 15 Feb 2006, at 15:30, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: * I plan on doing the migration some time during the PyCON conference or sprint (24 Feb through 2 Mar). There might be a period of 1 day or so when commits to Five won't be possible. I'll inform everyone in advance. Perhaps Jens

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: merge zope-dev and zope3-dev?

2006-02-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 18 Feb 2006, at 13:08, Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 17 February 2006 23:54, Jim Fulton wrote: Only you and Philipp were excited about this. Not sure that constitutes a ringing endorsement. Maybe others will chime in now. I'm +10 too. I'd like to see this happen before the end of

Re: [Zope-dev] [svn.zope.org] How to change the From: address for checkin notifications

2006-03-13 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 13 Mar 2006, at 15:15, Andreas Jung wrote: Due to some changes in my email configuration I would like to use another email address for checkin notifications email other than the current one. Is there a way to configure this on my own or do I have to beg before the svn admistrator? The

Re: [Zope-dev] New mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for all checkin messages

2006-03-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
I've set up a new mailing list that gets all checkins for the zope.org CVS and Subversion repositories: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/checkins Does this list replace [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the default checkins list? jens ___ Zope-Dev

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:07, Jim Fulton wrote: I think the XML export is a facility that is and should be advertized as a legitimate escape hatch for data kept in Zope. People really shouldn't feel afraid of putting data in Zope/ZODB as there really

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:12, Jim Fulton wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:07, Jim Fulton wrote: I think the XML export is a facility that is and should be advertized as a legitimate

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:25, Jim Fulton wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more clearly document their

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:30, Jim Fulton wrote: Interesting. I imagine that this is fixible in a somewhat straightforward way, although it is probably tied up with the general encoding mess in Z2. Yes, that's likely where the problem comes from.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope2.8.7] with Five 1.0 or Five 1.2

2006-03-27 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 27 Mar 2006, at 11:55, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: Zope 2.8 ships/shipped with Five 1.0 which is very old and no longer actively maintained. Most ppl doing currently development with Zope 2.8 are using Five 1.2. Should

Re: [Zope-dev] cvs.zope.org/Products - svn.zope.org?

2006-04-17 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17 Apr 2006, at 14:15, Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, almost all big Zope projects have changed to Subversion fortunately. Using svn:externals is a nice way to build bundles and helps a lot deploying software. However projects still have some

Re: [Zope-dev] cvs.zope.org/Products - svn.zope.org?

2006-04-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18 Apr 2006, at 08:30, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 17. April 2006 16:25:10 +0200 Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it make sense to migrate the complete Products hierarchy from cvs.zope.org to svn.zope.org? - -1 on migrating

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: cvs.zope.org/Products - svn.zope.org?

2006-04-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
+0200, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18 Apr 2006, at 08:30, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 17. April 2006 16:25:10 +0200 Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it make sense to migrate the complete Products hierarchy from cvs.zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Re: cvs.zope.org/Products - svn.zope.org?

2006-04-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
that Basket should really just die in favor of something going in to Zope 2 proper. - C On Apr 22, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Rocky Burt wrote: Will do. - Rocky On Thu, 2006-20-04 at 21:12 +0100, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rocky, since this whole issue seems

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [ANN] pythonproducts 1.0beta1 released

2006-04-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Apr 2006, at 18:47, Rocky Burt wrote: On Sun, 2006-23-04 at 19:30 +0200, Florent Guillaume wrote: Cool. What's the status of it regarding integration directly into Zope 2.10? Well, pythonproducts patches regular Zope and also CMF. Five

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Re: [ANN] pythonproducts 1.0beta1 released

2006-04-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Apr 2006, at 19:33, Rocky Burt wrote: Great news regarding CMF 2.1 and Plone. Specifically all pythonproducts does for CMF is patch CMFCore.TypesTool.TypesTool.listDefaultTypeInformation so that when it looks up a product it doesn't simply

Re: [Zope-dev] favicon.ico for 2.10?

2006-04-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Apr 2006, at 10:59, Lennart Regebro wrote: I find all these errors that Zope can't find a favicon.ico pretty annoying. Can we put one into 2.10s root by default, or is that for some reason a bad idea? +1 from me. The circle-Z should make

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: favicon.ico for 2.10?

2006-04-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Apr 2006, at 11:43, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: I find all these errors that Zope can't find a favicon.ico pretty annoying. Can we put one into 2.10s root by default, or is that for some reason a bad idea? +1

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: favicon.ico for 2.10?

2006-04-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 24 Apr 2006, at 11:57, kit BLAKE wrote: 2006/4/24, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, that's nice. Does it work as a PNG, though? I was under the impression (and thought the spec requires) that favicons must be *.ico files. A PNG favicon will work in the Mozilla family

[Zope-dev] QueueCatalog moved to svn.zope.org

2006-05-03 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just FYI, since the product seems mostly orphaned I just moved it without asking anyone: http://svn.zope.org/Products.QueueCatalog jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin)

Re: [Zope-dev] tempstorage to ZEO?

2006-05-31 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 31 May 2006, at 14:55, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:49:49AM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote: | I've done this (at least with FileStorage) and it's | sllo. Might be OK for low-traffic sites, but better | to

[Zope-dev] Re: SVN: CMF/branches/1.6/ - preparing CMF 1.6.1-beta

2006-06-03 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 3 Jun 2006, at 20:53, Florent Guillaume wrote: On 3 Jun 2006, at 20:46, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 3 Jun 2006, at 18:49, Florent Guillaume wrote: I didn't see the GenericSetup checkin creating that tag, could you check that you're subscribed

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-14 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14 Jun 2006, at 09:44, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 14. Juni 2006 07:32:42 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the good reasoning behind the time-based releases, but have they really worked out? Yes and No. Yes: It's a must

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Stable / Development branches?

2006-06-16 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 Jun 2006, at 10:28, Andreas Jung wrote: My recommendation: 1 yr deprecation period as it is now 1 yr + X maintenance period for older branches. +1 jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin)

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Nasty error message with obscure bug

2006-06-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19 Jun 2006, at 15:51, Chris Withers wrote: Florent Guillaume wrote: Hopefully the google archive trail will be enough for this issue... When I look for bugs to fix I don't read the mailing list archives for the past two years, I use the

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: Scrap zpkg for Zope2 releases

2006-06-22 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22 Jun 2006, at 16:35, Tres Seaver wrote: I believe that the extra flexibility which zpkg is intended to provide (dependency-based subset distributions, primarily) would be better served by moving Zope to use eggs, and that we should thus retire

Re: [Zope-dev] Can logreopen restarts Zope ?

2006-06-30 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30 Jun 2006, at 14:30, Julien Anguenot wrote: For maximum reliability I tend to forego the built-in log reopening in favor of using the logrotate utility in copytruncate mode. This will not require any log file reopening, logrotate will

Re: [Zope-dev] Should PageTemplate._text be a unicode or an encoded string in Zope 2.9.3?

2006-07-17 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17 Jul 2006, at 12:24, Andreas Jung wrote: What about loading FS ZPT's and things like CMF's FSZPT? Ask Tres or Jens :-) CMFCore/FSPageTemplate does not do anything special, it defers to the PageTemplate implementation. jens

Re: [Zope-dev] Timing the opening of network ports

2006-08-28 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28 Aug 2006, at 19:19, Andreas Jung wrote: Some time ago the following patch was proposed to control the timing for opening the socket ports upon startup: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2005-November/025709.html I propose to adapt

Re: [Zope-dev] Help! Need to extract files out of Data.fs!

2006-08-28 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28 Aug 2006, at 22:33, Dennis Allison wrote: Have you compressed the Data.fs? There is an option in the control panel to do this. I can be run on a live machine, but you may not want to do so given the size of stuff. I'd do it on a quiet

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Timing the opening of network ports

2006-08-30 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30 Aug 2006, at 14:32, Christian Theune wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Christian Theune wrote: b) it's more convenient for developers Why? Early open port means: zopectl restart and reload in your browser immediately without getting

Re: [Zope-dev] Release schedule for Zope 2.11/3.4?

2006-09-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Sep 2006, at 13:19, Andreas Jung wrote: Another point with this whole half-yr release cycle: we're going to confuse more and more professional users about which Zope version to use for what. I've heard from my major customer but also from

Re: [Zope-dev] Release schedule for Zope 2.11/3.4?

2006-09-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Sep 2006, at 14:44, Martijn Faassen wrote: Another point with this whole half-yr release cycle: we're going to confuse more and more professional users about which Zope version to use for what. I've heard from my major customer but also

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving ZopeVersionControl to subversion?

2006-10-06 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Oct 2006, at 17:38, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I noticed that ZopeVersionControl is still actively maintained in CVS. Would its maintainers mind moving it to subversion? That would make it a lot easier for us to include it in the Plone 3.0

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving ZopeVersionControl to subversion?

2006-10-09 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Oct 2006, at 18:55, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 6 Oct 2006, at 17:38, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I noticed that ZopeVersionControl is still actively maintained in CVS. Would its maintainers mind moving it to subversion? That would make it a lot

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org down?

2006-10-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:32, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I did a bit of checking: zope.org has a crazy number of DNS servers and they are not all in sync. Particularly seconly.rackspace.com (69.20.0.180) and cabana.palladion.com (64.34.177.88) are not authorative for the zope.org domain and will

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org down?

2006-10-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:36, Justizin wrote: That record comes from zoneedit.com, noone should be using those servers for lookups AFAIK because zoneedit.com is not authoritative for the NS records. These are slaves which have not coordinated with me

Re: [Zope-dev] ZopeVersionControl bug

2006-12-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Dec 2006, at 03:44, Rob Miller wrote: is there a current maintainer or development process for ZopeVersionControl? there's been a little bit of activity lately, but it's still in CVS. in any event, CMFEditions (a versioning system for

Re: [Zope-dev] Is there an alternative to zdaemon?

2006-12-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Dec 2006, at 14:23, Jim Fulton wrote: zdaemon is an interesting case because it is s non-zope and (mostly) non-python specific. I must say that it amazes me that there isn't an established alternative out there. When people start

Re: [Zope-dev] Is there an alternative to zdaemon?

2006-12-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Dec 2006, at 14:53, Jim Fulton wrote: I don't think it ever caused anyone any headache apart from maybe working around different ways in which forking/daemonizing is handled on some platforms (OS X comes to mind). Any software we own is

Re: [Zope-dev] Error running ZPublisher tests

2007-01-14 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14 Jan 2007, at 11:26, Andreas Jung wrote: Running the ZPublisher tests (on the trunk) alone results in the following error. However the tests works when running all unittests. Bug or feature? If a test runs one way and not another there's

Re: [Zope-dev] Interest in AdvancedQuery and/or ManagableIndex?

2007-02-03 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2 Feb 2007, at 22:36, Dieter Maurer wrote: * my code uses 2 blank indentation rather than the usual 4 blank (to make it more readable and easier to maintain for me) That can be dealt with by reformatting. Should not be hard to quickly

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Interest in AdvancedQuery and/or ManagableIndex?

2007-02-04 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4 Feb 2007, at 12:47, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I'm not quite sure it has to be part of Zope 2 as you install it. Having it in svn.zope.org would go a long, way, though, allowing us to use svn:externals during development and potentially fix

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Interest in AdvancedQuery and/or ManagableIndex?

2007-02-04 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4 Feb 2007, at 18:27, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Note that we have the same issue with ZopeVersionControl, which is currently only in CVS. An import of that into subversion would make a lot of us very happy. I think it has been

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF Tests: 9 OK, 2 Unknown

2007-03-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Subject: UNKNOWN : CMF-2.1 Zope-trunk Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Mar 11 22:42:15 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-March/004319.html Subject: UNKNOWN : CMF-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.4.4 : Linux

Re: [Zope-dev] unit tests

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Apr 2007, at 13:35, Miles wrote: However, having logged this, the testrunner proceeded to run all my tests correctly, and so the buildbot reported a pass. I expected the testrunner to bomb out on encountering this error, but it didn't -

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-22 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22 Apr 2007, at 19:28, Christopher Lozinski wrote: On his personal home page http://zwiki.org/JimFulton Jim Fulton, the Zope Pope writes: Make ZWiki subclassable from ZClasses. This will make it a lot easier to experiment and innovate.

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving the Zope 2 bugtracker to Launchpad

2007-08-13 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Aug 2007, at 08:04, Andreas Jung wrote: to make it short: I propose to move the Zope 2 bugtracker to Launchpad. Since the Zope 3 bugtracker works already with success on LP we should follow with the Zope 2 bugtracker. Objections? One

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving the Zope 2 bugtracker to Launchpad

2007-08-13 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Aug 2007, at 09:11, Andreas Jung wrote: Slow down... speaking for the CMF and PAS collectors: I'm -0.5 on both since I actively use them and I have no experience at all with Launchpad. The other responsible people sit on the CMF list so

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Moving the Zope 2 bugtracker to Launchpad

2007-08-13 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Aug 2007, at 11:11, Hanno Schlichting wrote: One could also move the CMF bugtracker to LP at the same time. Then only the APE and the PAS trackers would remain. The PAS tracker is already empty and the APE tracker is also pretty much

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Moving the Zope 2 bugtracker to Launchpad

2007-08-13 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Aug 2007, at 11:26, Hanno Schlichting wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 13 Aug 2007, at 11:11, Hanno Schlichting wrote: One could also move the CMF bugtracker to LP at the same time. Then only the APE and the PAS trackers would remain

Re: [Zope-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-05 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4 Oct 2007, at 15:57, Jim Fulton wrote: Any objections? This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. Good idea. +1 from me. I'm not on zope3-dev but won't mind additional

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Oct 2007, at 17:20, Andreas Jung wrote: The distinction between Zope 2 and Zope 3 must disappear. We must speak of Zope. Everything else is counterproductive when it comes to promoting Zope. There is only one Zope developer community and

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: mapping from collector numbers to launchpad numbers?

2007-11-16 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Nov 16, 2007, at 10:36 , Chris Withers wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: How do you go about mapping from old collector issue numbers to new launchpad ticket numbers? You let the www.zope.org redirect you. Well, I'm not sure it does... I'm looking at a changelog and it has a specific old

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope2.10+] zopectl run conflicts with Traversable

2008-02-22 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Feb 22, 2008, at 17:52 , Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, I (and some co-workers) encountered lately issues with traversal when running scripts using zopectl run from the command line. The lookup code fore views apparently expects always the existence of a REQUEST. What's the best approach to

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zope.sendmail Retry fixes and new state machine.

2008-03-10 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Mar 10, 2008, at 17:57 , Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Tres Seaver wrote: Gary Poster wrote: Also, some variety of doctest would be nice. Even when a package is not using doctests, I add new tests as doctest unless there's a really good reason not to. Becuase they make for poor

Re: [Zope-dev] Packaging Zope for Fedora

2008-03-26 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Mar 26, 2008, at 01:12 , Timothy Selivanow wrote: I would rather have a package that upstream approves of and participates in, than blindly create it in a silo not caring. It never turns out well in the long run with the latter. You may be fighting windmills here. Previous attempts at

Re: [Zope-dev] Let's fix the damned website

2008-04-05 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Apr 5, 2008, at 17:52 , Martin Aspeli wrote: Then, we need a champion for each of the sub-projects. These are: - Zope 3 and the Zope Libraries -- this is the most important one in the short term! - Zope 2 - CMF - ZODB I'm volunteering for the CMF. jens

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Let's fix the damned website

2008-04-07 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Apr 7, 2008, at 00:20 , Alexander Limi wrote: - Try not to be too clever with the Taste/Get and other links. People actually scan for links that are similar from other projects, and having to interpret/understand them is confusing. +1 - The list of companies using Zope includes

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Five and browser-oriented components

2008-04-14 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Apr 14, 2008, at 19:11 , Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: *IF* you'd like to be pragmatic, I'd suggest we clean up those failing Plone tests, merge the branch and be on our way. +1 jens ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: Merge philikon-aq branch into Zope trunk

2008-04-17 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Apr 17, 2008, at 12:27 , Hanno Schlichting wrote: Opinions, votes? +1 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists -

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Checkins] SVN: z3c.formjs/branches/pcardune-extjs/ creating a branch to see what I can do about extjs integration.

2008-04-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Apr 18, 2008, at 14:09 , Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 18 April 2008, Wichert Akkerman wrote: There is still an ongoing debate about that even - the extjs authors basically only want to offer LGPL to you if you meet certain criteria but won't allow you to redistribute it with just

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 monitoring

2008-04-30 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Apr 30, 2008, at 12:41 , Christian Theune wrote: On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:16:53PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I'm trying to figure out what the current state of the art for monitoring Zope2 processes is. Ideally I'ld want the equivalent of zc.z3monitor. I figured the medua

[Zope-dev] buildout and broken Cheeseshop download URLs

2008-05-27 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
Hi guys, Does zc.buildout and/or the default egg recipe have any way of overriding the download URL from the cheese shop if that URL is broken and I cannot reach the package maintainer? Thanks! jens ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] buildout and broken Cheeseshop download URLs

2008-05-27 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On May 27, 2008, at 12:49 , Jim Fulton wrote: On May 27, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Hi guys, Does zc.buildout and/or the default egg recipe have any way of overriding the download URL from the cheese shop if that URL is broken and I cannot reach the package maintainer

Re: [Zope-dev] buildout and broken Cheeseshop download URLs

2008-05-27 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On May 27, 2008, at 13:31 , Jim Fulton wrote: Did you try setting up a download cache and putting it there? Note that if you had a download cache named foo, you would need to put the tar ball in foo/dist. Haven't tried that yet. jens ___

Re: [Zope-dev] buildout and broken Cheeseshop download URLs

2008-05-28 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On May 28, 2008, at 02:25 , Christian Theune wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 02:31:04PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: Did you try setting up a download cache and putting it there? Note that if you had a download cache named foo, you would need to put the tar ball in foo/dist. I could and

[Zope-dev] NOTICE: zope.org server move

2008-06-11 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
The zope.org-related servers and services maintained by Zope Corporation will be moving to a new home late Thursday night Eastern Standard Time. What services are affected? --- The most important service addresses include... - www.zope.org - svn.zope.org -

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-Users] NOTICE: zope.org server move

2008-06-11 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jun 11, 2008, at 06:05 , Marius Gedminas wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 01:22:18AM -0500, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: The zope.org-related servers and services maintained by Zope Corporation will be moving to a new home late Thursday night Eastern Standard Time. How long will the outage

[Zope-dev] z3c.form with Zope 2?

2008-06-13 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
Hi guys, Are there any basic problems using z3c.form with Zope 2? All the tutorials and documentation I have found uses straight Zope 3. If anyone has successfully used z3c.form in a Zope 2 project I'd love to see some sample code ;-) jens

Re: [Zope-dev] Extend specification of how to maintain the changelog

2008-06-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jun 18, 2008, at 12:09 , Christian Theune wrote: - A change on a branch is recorded in the next unreleased section. (Merges of the same fix over multiple branches are not recorded in different places on the other branches.) This results in the following properties for the CHANGES.txt:

Re: [Zope-dev] Extend specification of how to maintain the changelog

2008-06-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jun 18, 2008, at 14:32 , Christian Theune wrote: Hi, On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 01:11:46PM +0200, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Just for clarification, does this imaginary scenario describe what you mean? - I am fixing a problem in the 1.2-branch of my Foobar product and note the fix

Re: [Zope-dev] Extend specification of how to maintain the changelog

2008-06-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jun 18, 2008, at 15:07 , Christian Theune wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 02:48:22PM +0200, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: So in essence it sounds like changes will be noted in CHANGES.txt for *all* those branches and the trunk that they're applied to, and the only difference is the version

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Extend specification of how to maintain the changelog

2008-06-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jun 18, 2008, at 19:00 , yuppie wrote: Why do we maintain a CHANGES.txt file? Who reads it and why? The audience I have in mind are users of released versions. They read CHANGES.txt to figure out what's new in a release. Let's take Zope 2 as an example: Most people will currently use

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Extend specification of how to maintain the changelog

2008-06-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jun 18, 2008, at 19:27 , yuppie wrote: That's not the only audience. I as a developer consult CHANGES.txt to (hopefully) find *all* changes on the respective branch or on the trunk that have flowed into it until now. Can't developers use the subversion history? It's much quicker to

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Extend specification of how to maintain the changelog

2008-06-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jun 18, 2008, at 19:32 , Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:27 PM, yuppie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry. I was referring to the current Zope 2 (and CMF) policy: Note that you don't need to note the fix in the CHANGES.txt on the trunk if you don't want to. At the time a new

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Extend specification of how to maintain the changelog

2008-06-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jun 18, 2008, at 20:30 , yuppie wrote: The current Zope 2 policy doesn't make sure the change history of unreleased versions is complete. But that's no essential part of that policy. And working with unreleased versions you might use subversion anyway. See, I think that's bad. The

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Extend specification of how to maintain the changelog

2008-06-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jun 19, 2008, at 09:51 , Christian Theune wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 09:08:54AM +0200, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: See, I think that's bad. The change log should reflect all changes, be it in a released version or from Subversion. Or be it a release branch or the trunk. Please note

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Extend specification of how to maintain the changelog

2008-06-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:32 , yuppie wrote: There is always *one* well defined current maintenance branch. Version numbering *does* imply a time line if you ignore old maintenance branches. It's not hard at all to get this right. I don't think that assumption holds true. Again, using the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Extend specification of how to maintain the changelog

2008-06-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jun 19, 2008, at 13:36 , yuppie wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:32 , yuppie wrote: There is always *one* well defined current maintenance branch. Version numbering *does* imply a time line if you ignore old maintenance branches. It's not hard at all to get

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Extend specification of how to maintain the changelog

2008-06-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jun 19, 2008, at 14:41 , Martijn Faassen wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Christian Theune wrote: [snip] My preference would be to have more important changes first. Please don't make it a judgement call: keep it time-descending order, just like the releases. Among other things, this makes

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jul 12, 2008, at 09:33 , Mark Hammond wrote: Well, Zope moved onwards from PAS to PAU and I think Plone should too, because: It seems like just yesterday that PAS offered the promise of being the nice clean way forward for authentication, and even offered a path to Zope3. I've been

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] PAULA: bringing Zope 3's authentication to Plone and beyond

2008-07-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jul 12, 2008, at 03:04 , Florian Friesdorf wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:56:19PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: The one thing I am missing is: why? Well, Zope moved onwards from PAS to PAU Huh? Zope 2 uses PAS. The Zope 3 folks have attempted to come up with a similar solution,

Re: [Zope-dev] Buildout site

2008-07-17 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Jul 17, 2008, at 14:02 , Baiju M wrote: Hi all, Few weeks back Buildout site become live, Jens Vagelpohl setup the site at http://buildout.zope.org/ But I couldn't work further on the site. If anyone want contribute to the content please add it here: svn co svn://svn.zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] wiki downtime, zope.interface 3.0.0b1, and buildout/setuptools crash

2008-08-11 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Aug 11, 2008, at 10:07 , Christian Theune wrote: a) the wiki is down. Can someone please fix this? Well, it wasn't down like it always was on the old server, Apache just served an empty page for it. This appears to have been a (unrelated) Apache configuration. It's fixed now. jens

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 4 OK, 1 Unknown

2008-08-14 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Aug 14, 2008, at 13:59 , Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Zope Tests Summarizer wrote: Unknown --- Subject: Storesonline, Plan for an ecommerce Website. From: Mister Nice Guy Date: Wed Aug 13 09:14:30 EDT 2008 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2008-August/

Re: [Zope-dev] KGS buildbot news (zope.server failure almost explained)

2008-08-15 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Aug 15, 2008, at 02:35 , Christophe Combelles wrote: We should also probably consider waiting a bit more for the new site (new.zope.org) to come up, but I don't know when it will be finished. It only needs some content for zope2, grok, and some other pages. I don't see the connection

Re: [Zope-dev] Browsing ancient history in CVS

2008-08-26 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 26, 2008, at 17:55 , Behrens, Matt wrote: I am sort of at my wit's end trying to find out how to work this out, and I've been sort of absent from Zope-dom for the a few years, so please forgive me if I've missed an obvious statement

Re: [Zope-dev] Wiki down

2008-10-01 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 1, 2008, at 08:54 , Christian Theune wrote: Good morning, My Nagios just alarmed me, that the wiki is down. Anybody around who can poke it? Works fine for me. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin)

Re: [Zope-dev] Wiki down

2008-10-01 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:06 , Christian Theune wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 09:15 +0200, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On Oct 1, 2008, at 08:54 , Christian Theune wrote: Good morning, My Nagios just alarmed me, that the wiki is down. Anybody around who

Re: [Zope-dev] Need help - wrong hierarchy on svn.zope.org

2008-10-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 20, 2008, at 14:05 , kevin gill wrote: Hi, I need a little help. I checked two packages into svn.zope.org, but I have set up the hierarchy incorrectly. The packages are z3c.rotterdam and z3c.boston. The egg is in the base folder,

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: Make Zope2 smaller

2008-10-26 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 26, 2008, at 16:37 , Hanno Schlichting wrote: I'd like to change the egg distribution alone and introduce one setuptools extra to it. The old tarball distribution would stay the same. The standard Zope2 egg install would only include

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCatalog caching with memcached

2008-10-27 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 27, 2008, at 13:08 , Roché Compaan wrote: On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 14:07 -0400, Tres Seaver wrote: - Plone uses too many indexes, and in particular, uses multiple text indexes. Having extra indexes around just in case is a sure lose a

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