are more than you, but they have been
silent in teh discussions, and it's important that your viewpoint
isn't lost.
I'm also happy you seem to have gotten good answers on how to go forward.
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to fix bugs, as you are one of the Zope
people who knows Zope 2 inside out. If you need new releases, there is
no reason why there shouldn't be new relesases.
In short, I'm not sure what you are worried about.
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On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 12:31, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote:
Thoughts?
I haven't had my dead deeep down in the Zope 2 security for three
years, so I'm a bit fuzzy on how it works, but all this sounds like a
good step forward.
+1
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On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 08:56, Dieter Maurer die...@handshake.de wrote:
Lennart Regebro wrote at 2009-4-11 16:12 +0200:
...
Does easy_install keep track of already installed dependencies and
refuse to install it if it break dependencies?
easy_install checks dependencies only at installation
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No, you just said above we were in the yes case.
No you didn't. My bad. We are in the no case.
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before
it was eggyfied.
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before
it was eggyfied.
No, before I could always stick a new version manually in lib/python of my
instance.
Why would you not be able to do that now?
I evidently don't understand the problem.
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 01:36, Shane Hathaway sh...@hathawaymix.org wrote:
Grr. Way to end a bikeshed discussion. Now what are we going to drone
on about?
Wait, wait, it should be called Zope Platform!
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I will continue to speak of Zope 2 (not Zope Classic).
Right. The classic/legacy renaming is only necessary if we were to
move to Zope 4, which we aren't, or continue to talk about Zope 3,
which we aren't.
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and the vast codebase, and move
forward. And I guess Zope Toolkit, Grok and BFG is that way forward.
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Zope Toolkit is a good name. But so is Zope Framework. And honestly,
it's more a framework than a toolkit. A toolkit is a collection of
reasonably independent tools. OK, so Zope Framework is actually loads
of frameworks, one for components, one for security one for web forms,
and this and that.
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I can't believe no one's suggested Zope Mega, yet.
It sounds stupid.
The Zope Ultra Component Framework Toolkit, though, THAT's a name with panache!
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already does so, of course, and Plone 4 is set to do so.
Hopefully by Zope 2.13, the old publisher can be a horrid memory, and
repoze.Zope2 be default.
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libraries, they
fit together, and it's also a development style with the component
architecture et al.
Framework to many Python web people implies a runnable application
server (the terms got conflated when Pylons and Django started calling
themselves web frameworks).
Oh, that's bad.
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Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:14, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk
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PyPI will work in exactly the same way as zope.org for non-eggified
products: manual download.
What I *would* worry
exist? :-) I don't know how you are thinking here.
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Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 17:23, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
PyPI won't work for non-eggified products.
Right, so they need to be eggified then, which is a Good Thing. :)
I'm
that those who want
to keep it get to be responsible for maintaining it. Problem solved.
:)
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easy_install/buildout/etc just fail in those cases? Typically
with a no setup.py found or something?
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:34, Chris Withers ch...@simplistix.co.uk wrote:
Lennart Regebro wrote:
Grok and Repoze is not mutually exclusive.
For end users who pick one or the other, they are *are* mutually exclusive
in that the users won't necessarily know (or care) that the other exists...
I
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 08:32, Dieter Maurer die...@handshake.de wrote:
Because members put there content (product implementations) still usable?
Absolutely right. In the long run that should probably be moved over
to PyPI though.
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, eggifying it and
moving it to PyPI isn't that much work.
The alternative is to make a new products directory on zope.org, which
is of course completely possible.
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then to https:// would. But switching to relative
URLs would also solve them problem.
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Because members put there content (product implementations) still usable?
Absolutely right. In the long run that should probably be moved over
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in the face.
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servers running on Zope Framework. Zope Legacy Server 4/5 (with Plone
5 on top), Blue Bream, BFG and Grok.
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Lennart Regebro wrote:
1. The Zope Framework dependency cleanup project continues. When
cleanup is deemed reasonably finished, we rename the framework Zope 4.
Oh, so Zope 4 is a run on from Zope 2?
Eh... no.
How do I upgrade from Zope 2
2009/4/1 Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as:
I now also wonder if adapter()/implementer() would work when called with
classes rather than functions...?
Yes, in 2.6 and 3.0. Not with the current trunk of zope.interfaces,
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could support both =2.5 and =2.6.
2.5 doesn't support class decorators, so no.
But the plan is that both implements(IFoo) and @implementor(IFoo) will
be available under 2.6.
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I'm leaving soon, arriving this afternoon, staying at Crowne Plaza. I
may be up for a drink this evening, or I may be sleeping, not sure. :)
The Zope Open Space I'd prefer Friday or Sunday. Any opinion on that?
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be confusing though.
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isn't magic enough, so
unless we can think of something better... :)
The it's the question if we want to start moving before going over to
Python 3 or after.
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calling the parameter *didn't* know the value. Five
I think. Ah well)
Thus, it was good to get rid of it -- just the deprecation warning
was silly: instead, a value different from the only correct one should
have resulted in an exception.
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of timeouts and redirections and stuff in your
application. Are you sure old-school HTML is the right way to do this?
Sounds like an AJAX app could be more suitable.
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 09:18, Analog Kid garlictrom...@gmail.com wrote:
i want to make sure that a certain method gets called before anything else
when the template gets rendered.
Sooo...stick it first in the template!
Strange question...
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. The parameter can
just stay there and be ignored, no need to warn. But the description
of the change is incorrect, the decision to ignore the parameter was
for reason, not just because we could, even if I don't exactly
remember what the reason was now. :)
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As mentioned elsewhere, PAS is overkill for this. You can assign roles
to uses with the normal user folder.
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will enable you to have a login form.
Create all these, enable them, fiddle around a bit. Then you probably
need to ask more questions, and I won't know enough about PAS to
answer, but somebody else probably will.
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Then, you should probably buy the above book too. Zope 3 technologies
are getting very common in Zope 2.
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. OK. Done.
You don't need to do anything more.
I suspect you still need to explain, not what you are trying to do,
but what you are trying to achieve. Explain the usecase.
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. But setting
zserver-threads to 1 does.
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some time, and they need a separate release. I don't think The
Zope 3 app server is likely to die any more than the Zope 2 app
server.
Now, in five years, maybe. But then again, by then we could all have
suffered an alien invasion. :-D
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, between
releases of the framework? Or we could simply not deprecate, but
encourage backwards compatibilities, at least until a new major
version is released of the framework?
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if he entered the
right password.
Well, normally you call the role username, and this is supported
with the standard user handling in Zope, you don't need PAS for that.
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on of the roles?
You do that with
if entered_data in (role1, role2):
which I suspect isn't what you are asking at all. :) Tell us what you
are trying to achieve.
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is again not thread safe, and will
only work with one thread per server, so you don't actually gain
anything in using it. Besides, I don't think anyone actually used it
after I implemented it. Which is why it's still marked as
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this is related to the proposal. It is
expected that you should be able to use pieces of the pile
selectively, and it will continue to be expected.
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is that there is a need for some steering group, that will,
however, encourage people to form groups around packages and maintain them.
The steering group would not and could not help with any of these problems.
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:56, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote:
Am Mittwoch 04 März 2009 10:25:19 schrieb Lennart Regebro:
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:04, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote:
What I don't see in your proposal is, how these subset-groups would be
coordinated, which
that it should be any time soon. What Hermann suggested is
somebody that keeps track of all Zope software modules and tells him
which is good and which is bad. That's not what you suggested, and as
mention, I don't think it's even possible, and definitely not a good
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think that's needed, because the technical
disagreements we have here are so minor, and seems mostly based in
massinderstindung.
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And implement it?
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not have backroom discussions. They should
act as open as possible. I think of it as a catalyst.
The operative here is *should*. Compare that to *will*. These are
different words. What the steering group *should* do and what they
*will* do is not the same thing.
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see that a
steering group is as little as possible. If it turns out to be
necessary, we add it then.
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:53, Hermann Himmelbauer du...@qwer.tk wrote:
My impression (from an external perspective) is that Zope Corporation did just
that for Zope 2/3, but nowadays tries to give this role to the community.
No, I don't think we ever tried that. I think we should.
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there is a significant risk that
is ends up hindering them.
I thought I could organize freedom. How Scandinavian of me --Björk: Hunter.
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Hmmm, I have the slight feeling that your opinions are not that far away.
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that this would tend to result in better dependency
partitioning
(X depends on Y, I don't need Y, I just need X, let's fix that)?
I don't see how these are related.
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for beer. Works lurlvely! No steering
committee needed. If we still want more structure, we'll get somebody
to force us to stick colored dots on big papers on the walls. That
whole thing was awesome.
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 00:05, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Hi there,
Lennart Regebro wrote:
- A steering group for the framework? Euhm? I don't know. I think
release managers are needed, and I think a steering group is going to
grow out of the community. Having an offical
, yeah , I know. My answer is all peace and love and fluffy
kittens and everybody does whatever they want, but amazingly, it tends
to work! :-) Freedom baby yeah!
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will be, and then we'll have to rethink. But currently the people
involved, and the people that need to be steered are so few we can
fit them all into one room at a time. And then I do not see why would
would need a steering group.
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stuff. We
should keep it around as old.zope.org for a year so people can move
content they need.
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Hi,
I wonder whether new development patterns
are going to emerge after this :)
https://bespin.mozilla.com/
It is definitely something that can replace the Zope 2 TTW pattern
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and a zope.location.interfaces.
I haven't tried. Anyway, it was just an idea.
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be split into zope.location and zope.locationspec.
what about zope.ilocation?
Maybe. I'd lean toward zope.locationspec because it would appear
right after zope.location in a sorted list, making it more apparent that
they are related.
zope.location.interfaces?
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a zodb.zope.org DNS record and pointing it at that Zope site.
- pasting in the content.
- giving zodb people manager access to the plone site.
I can not technically do any of that, as I don't have a server to put
it on, no access to the Zope.org dns and no content. The rest I can
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ended. Zope 2.12 is a libertarian meritodemocracy.
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On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:37, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
With the revolutionary eggification of the masses that is underway the
dictatorship has ended. Zope 2.12 is a libertarian meritodemocracy.
Well, at least if you have svn access. :)
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taken a backup of everything) and see what happens. :)
I'm also lazy, which are the reasons I haven't volunteered for the
role of Web Tsar already, as being bad at getting people to work for
free would mean I have to do everything myself, and I'm too lazy for
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Zope.org as a possible
discussion item for the OpenSpace, maybe somebody has some bright
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a zodb.zope.org DNS record and pointing it at that Zope site.
- pasting in the content.
- giving zodb people manager access to the plone site.
I can not technically do any of that, as I don't have a server to put
it on, no access to the Zope.org dns and no content. The rest I can
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taken a backup of everything) and see what happens. :)
I'm also lazy, which are the reasons I haven't volunteered for the
role of Web Tsar already, as being bad at getting people to work for
free would mean I have to do everything myself, and I'm too lazy for
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Zope.org as a possible
discussion item for the OpenSpace, maybe somebody has some bright
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should be created for Zope 3, and then we should trash
the current Zope org for a new frontpage that basically only points to
the different microsites.
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://us.pycon.org/2009/sprints/projects/zope/
For general information on the sprints, see:
http://us.pycon.org/2009/sprints/
or ask me.
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Well, by now we definitely have enough people to have a fruitful
discussion, so I feel happy to say that it definitely will happen.
I created a PyCon wikipage if people want to add anything, with the
suggested title State of Zope, I hope that title is OK.
.
India is big enough in itself. :)
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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 14:09, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.net wrote:
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 13:32, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.net wrote:
Is there any plan for Zope sprint ?
Nothing official yet, but I'm sure
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 15:46, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 14:09, Baiju M mba...@zeomega.net wrote:
It looks like this time there are few formalities to arrange a sprint:
http://us.pycon.org/2009/sprints/call-for-projects/
Ah, OK. I'll set up a Zope Sprint
place as last year.
We should talk to Jacob Kaplan-Moss about that.
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, say so here, so we'll know when we can get the most
participants.
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without me
being explicit about it.
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the plan anyhow?
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of a path to fix that.
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the wiki in means, but of course it would be
great if the wiki could look like the rest of the site.
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the plone skin then.
OK, I didn't know zwiki integrated with Plone that easily.
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to stop using it.
It's done to support navigation trees from the catalog, but navigation
should not be done via the same catalog as you do other things, but a
dedicated tool. That would simplify and speed things up a lot. But OK,
that's off-topic.
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On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 22:29, Matt Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lennart Regebro regebro at gmail.com writes:
I would be interested in seeing a bunch of Gurus sit down at some
sprint and trying to come up with a catalog engine that is incremental
and uses query plans. There is no reason
version of Zope,
say 2.12.
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this. Could be a good xmas
entertainment for example. :)
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a base installation of Zope3 is too big is well known. So I
think I can definitely say Yes to that answer.
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