then that explains my slow
rate of development.
Well, the development speed is not higher because you use these
frameworks. It's just they they have done a lot of generally useful
work, so you don't have to develop it.
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Lennart Regebro wrote at 2006-1-30 15:18 +0100:
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Personally I haven't had a situation trivial enough for refresh to
work for years...
As I reported earlier, all that is needed is a small tool
to allows to register product dependencies
If somebody gets time to do the suggested refactoring of the publisher
for 2.10, then the docstring requirement could be dropped for
IFiveTraversable objects, I think.
or?
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of global registy it
will most likely fail.
Personally I haven't had a situation trivial enough for refresh to
work for years...
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be a bug in zope 2.9 which I'm
happy to try to solve by participating in the discussion.
Yeah, well I would be very happy if the refresh could be improved, but
sadly I don't understand it well enough, and those who do doesn't seem
to care about improving it.
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kind of site you are
running, what third-party products you are using and no on.
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be the easiest way of
improving the performance in this case. That's my guess.
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(unless there is
something actually wrong).
As always, profiling is probably a good idea *before* trying to fix
performnce problems. ;)
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- Never store a reference to a persistent object inside a non-persistent
object.
I don't think this is a useful warning.
Unless you expect to retrieve it after a server restart. ;)
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On 1/18/06, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These were some of my reactions to this first attempt at time-based releases.
What do other folks think?
I think early January is an understandable delay, considering that
midwinter celebrations came in the way. Great work everyone!
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- do i have to compile the .pos to .mos by hand?
Yes.
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2. does the translation also work with page template files?
Yes. The work either when you use i18n.translate() from python, or
when you do i18n:something in ZPT.
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On 1/17/06, Jürgen Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi all!
does anybody have a five product that uses i18n that i can have a look at?
i don't seem to get it right...
Yeah, the CalZope trunk does it:
http://svn.nuxeo.org/trac/pub/browser/CalZope/trunk/
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is, but when
clicking on an icon, you don't.
Thank you for trying it! I'm just relieved it didn't melt your hard drive ;-)
No, it works fine (except for the weirdness about the admin creation.
Maybe I'll try again and make sure I donn't mistype this time.)
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| myproduct.py
| configure.zcml
| interfaces.py
/ browser
| __init__.py
| configure.zcml
| aview.py
| aview.pt
/ doc
/ tests
/ locales
with adapters.py added if you have many adapters, and interfaces.py
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no idea where the current directory is, so if you just type in a
relative path, you don't know where the directory was created. (Turns
out it's in C:\Documents And Settings\username\ )
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the problem.
Is this new behaviour intented ?
I know that this behaviour occurs when you use Python 2.4.x.
Ouch, that's bad. Do you have any more refereces to this?
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on.)
DEBUG: For debug information.
TRACE: I need to have a lot of information now!
I find all this fairly self-evident and highly useful, and se
absolutely zero reason for removing them, when they are so useful.
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you don't understand why other people use
them.
I find that logic difficult to understand.
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need to set things up, everybody will set things up
differently, which is not a good idea.
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no opinion on the actual issue. I know what I want, but
if it has too many drawbacks, I don't want it. :-) Something common
between Zope3 and Zope2 would probably be a good idea.
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Since this particular bug should be circumventable (new word?) by
using Five 1.3.1, it's not serious enough to warrant a release by
itself, IMO.
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(you basically need to rewrite your
applictaion completely) and unless you plan on doing that anyway, you
should probably just stick with Zope 2 for the time being. :)
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Oh, I forgot:
http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/lennart_regebro/2005_10_04_zope2-vs-zope3-faq
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. That makes Python
superiour in many ways. ;-)
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On 1/6/06, bruno desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lennart Regebro wrote:
On 1/6/06, bruno desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not even - Python is byte-compiled too. The difference is that the
Python interpreter (call it 'VM' if you think that 'interpreter' isn't
buzzword
On the actual problem, this is a big red flag for me:
'isinstance(zapi.getSiteManager(), FiveSiteManager)': True,
Fails. So, it's not a FivesiteManager. What is it? None, or something else?
Since this seems to be a cleanup issue, my guess is: Something else.
Probably another one of the site
be aware that they are using one of the most-scary components in
Zope (please no further discussion about the pros and cons of
ZClasses..this discussion took already place already a bunch of times on
the list).
+0 on Gadfly, I have no opinion there.
+1 on all else.
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in separate classes called view-classes.
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that.
See the example.
I don't see how the example examplifies this.
It is obvious to me that you have misunderstood something. I don't
know what yet, though.
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programming and a supportive environment.
No, I think the misunderstanding is that you are overcomplicating
something that is really quite simple. But I'm not sure.
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that depends on your application.
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are just that: application data inside program code.
Eh, no they aren't.
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Zope product gets locked, that is false. It's
on a object-basis, not a product basis.
You claim that things get locked that shouldn't be locked in Zope. It
is not clear to me why you say that.
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that there is too much implicitness in Zope 2. I don't agree
that persistance is a part of that. It isn't implicit at all. Maybe
it's not easy to understand, but it isn't particularily implicit, and
neither is it uncontrollable, as you seem to say.
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un-install my old copy properly somehow, not just delete the directory, is
that correct?
No, you can just delete the instance directory. It's the copying that
is the problem. The Data.fs can generally be copied without problems
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currently working on using the Five internationalisation
that comes with Five 1.1 and Zope 2.9).
http://www.cps-project.org/sections/projects/calendar_server/cpssharedcalendar-1-3-3/
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to corp machine.
But when I want to start this site in my corp machine, it is show error
message: python23.dll is not found.
Huh? Did you copy only the Data.fs?
What OS do you run on your work PC?
Did the Zope work on your Zope PC before you copied the Data.fs?
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,
they contain a compiled pyc-file, which requires 2.3. Delete all pyc
files (or better reinstall all products from sratch).
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indexes, why not just use them? :)
I've read a bit about btrees on the zope wiki and wonder if that's the best
way.
Probably, but only if you actually let them do the indexing. :-)
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Calendar app available which looks and works like Plone
Calendar?
I think this would be easier if you were more specific of what kind of
features you want.
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On 12/3/05, John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wanted something which looks like Plone Calendar
How do you mean looks like?
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have to live with the broken DateTime for some time...
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A question that then pops up is: Do we want to force people to do a
migration to upgrade between say Zope 2.9 and Zope 2.10, just to
replace all the DateTime pickles? Especially since we still need to
provide API-compatibility?
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Oh, so that make a difference? datetime objects are unchangeable, so
everytime you change it you will have to set the attribute, and I
thought the whole object got pickled then, but I guess that it
doesn't, then.
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a frankendatetime. :-)
Which, as I understand it, is what Jürgen Herrman wanted to create...
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and recreate the DateTime class by subclassing datetime.datetime. For
backwards compatability, we make sure that old pickles can be revived
and that the old DateTime API is supported for two more Zope releases.
Yeah, it's that pickling revival that worries me. It's non-trivial.
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On 11/25/05, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Really? What should we be using instead then?
datetime works much better in most cases.
I honestly think it _should_ go away, just with plenty of notice...
Well, possibly.
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I think this change can possibly make sense when we have replaced Zope
2 authentication with Zope 3s, and when we have replaces Zope 2
publisher with Zope 3s and when we have replaced the Zope 2 traversal
with Zope3s, and maybe a couple of other things.
At that point, Zope2 will more or less be
be a Good Thing.
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% of the unit testing time.
Ideas? Or am I just stupid?
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On 11/23/05, Fred Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/23/05, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Basically, I'd like to create a site once, and use it for all
subsequent tests, until I made a change that means the site needs to
be recreated. But how? Well, I'm not sure. How
not be a good idea for backwards compatible
reasons), you should use that.
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On 11/22/05, Jürgen Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i'll surely change the storage format, when rewriting it!
So you plan on having some version marker, or so, which
tells which storage format is used?
//Curious.
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and give it back to the community.
Well, that would be cool. Just a question: How do you plan to keep and
verify backwards compatibility? Any database, with any type of
DateTime object, must work transparently.
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On 11/21/05, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--On 21. November 2005 15:14:50 +0100 Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Well, that would be cool. Just a question: How do you plan to keep and
verify backwards compatibility? Any database, with any type of
DateTime object, must
, and
then you assume that we should read your mind for the rest of the
needed information. It doesn't work like that.
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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On 11/8/05, Victor Safronovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Tino Wildenhain,
Tuesday, November 8, 2005, 5:56:25 PM, you wrote:
TW Now you should tell us what you are really doing here :-)
Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] moment when zope was started.
/\
want to know
. Starting
with Zope 2.8 a technology called Five is being used to step by step
move the Zope3 programming paradigm into Zope 2. So, with Five,
interfaces are extremely important.
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want to use
that instead. There are no standard timezone implementation, but Zope
3 has one you might be able to use.
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in a way that doesn't
instantly break every Zope instance in existance.
what was the intention to create DateTime anyway, if there's a
python pendant already?
It didn't exist then.
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through this post and I don't grok what the suggested alternative is.
Could someone summarize?
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, and not have to use Zope-perl.
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using it than being perfect. The reason for that is that Zope
already has a very good scripting language, so the need to use perl is
very miniscule, and almost always more pain than it's worth.
asbestos_suitWhich of course is true for every use of Perl./asbestos_suit
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On 10/31/05, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do you think?
Sounds great.
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of maintaining an extra Python installation for
Zope?
You keep it in /usr/local. In fact, when downloading and compiling
python, that's the default place it ends up. And /usr/local/bin
usually is also first in the path, so zopes ./configure script will
find it first.
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go for the latest and greatest or stick with 2.8?
Depends on what you are going to use it for. So, tell us! :-)
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On 10/27/05, HaraldFinnås [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Depends on what you are going to use it for. So, tell us! :-)
Not sure myself yet. :) There will certainly be a couple of Plone sites
Well, Plone doesn't run on Zope 3, so there ya go. :)
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? Have you turned on debug mode?
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On 10/26/05, Håkan Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 26, 2005, at 17:00, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On 10/26/05, Håkan Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My personal guess is that both Epoz and Kupu has hidden prereqs that
the documentation does not say, or that I simply missed
nitty-gritty (Python) and work upwards. Starting from the
middle tends to confuse. :)
It also tends to lead you into things that are pretty much dead-ends
from a Plone standpoint, such as DTML and ZClasses.
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Oh, and another thing:
On 10/20/05, Pierre Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also plan to learn Plone after Zope, is it a good path?
[...]
/Users/pierreth/Download/Zope-3.1.0/build/lib.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.3/zdaemon/tests/testzdrun.py,
line 260, in testUmask
You installed Zope
could be an alternative. And new CPU boards cost, like, nothing, so it
could be a pretty cool server.
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On 10/20/05, Pierre Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lennart Regebro a écrit :
Oh, and another thing:
You installed Zope 3.1. Zope 3 is very different from Zope 2, and
Plone does not run on it. So, the question is of you want to learn
Zope 2 or Zope 3. Which leads to the question: What
stability and compatibility.
Can the list provide words of advice?
If you don't need 2.8, and since 2.7 is still maintained, stay with 2.7.
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On 10/9/05, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9 Oct 2005, at 19:46, Rocky Burt wrote:
What is the timeframe on this being done? Just so I know when to
update my development versions of PAS.
- Rocky
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
I would volunteer to move both the
On 10/7/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why not? I dont understand - killing processes does not mean getting their
space?
It's probably not going to be enough anyway.
But do you advise me to do?
That depends on what your goal is. Why are you trying to run Zope on a
virtual
On 10/7/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, does this error message mean that it is just a swap problem so that I
wont have to install gcc, Python anymore?
Having run top, I could dectect that there is 10,241,428k total Swap. About
3,856,000k of it is actually being used and
or something
like that, you would surely need several times that in practice. :)
Sorry for any calculation errors, but I can be rather a lot off
without it making a difference, so I can't be bothered to check. ;)
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On 10/5/05, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is correct, but you're just papering over a deeper problem,
namely bad cleanup in some unit tests.
Sure, but that's how reality looks. It's unfortunate, but there ya go.
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zope3
questions than the zope list.
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I don't know if it's a good
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On 9/29/05, Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This code:
if not hasattr(pack, '_m'): pack._m=fd.__dict__
fd.debug_compile = debug_compile
fd.debug_compile__roles__ = ('Manager',)
Seems to work. I just needed to debug a script, and it worked fine!
Great product
On 9/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
If i'm logged in as testuser and want to log in with a different user
name, whats the right way of doing it?
this is on zope 2.7
You select Log out of ZMI. :-)
Unless you use CMF. Or some special user folder.
Oh, and it won't
IndexableObjectWrapper a public class.
Public?
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When an acquisition wrapper is formed, there always must some context
(which is put into aq_parent).
Well, as I can figure out this is the code that does the wrapping:
/* Crap, we've got to construct a wrapper so we can use Wrapper_findattr */
UNLESS (self=newWrapper(self, Py_None,
to get values from text boxes...
Because the people who designed the HTML form functionality are brain
dead morons, Not checked and not existing is the same thing.
Therefore you need to do this:
request.form.get('fieldname', False)
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on the same places both times, but
*exactly the same call* will still fail about every second time.
Hurray. I'm so happy this problem is so easy to track down! Grrr.
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You know you are in trouble when you need to read the c-code of
Acquisition to understand a problem. :) This took me half the day to
figure out, and in fact, I still don't fully understand it.
So I need help with this.
CPS has an index, called cps_filter_sets. It's a TopicIndex, and
TopicIndexes
.
may someone help me ?
Sure. What's the problem? :)
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On 9/12/05, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Indeed, what would be the reasons for NOT including it?
How should we go about measuring the speed difference this makes?
How about: http://public-bertha.in.nuxeo.com/~ben/funkload/
I've seen it demoed, but never used it. It seems very cool.
On 9/8/05, Georgakopoulos Nicolas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can some one help out how to set up a ZTP form to use a mailhost object
and send a email with the data that the form was filled ?
I have made the form successfully , my problem is that I don't know how
to use the mailhost.
ps:Can I
breath for that.
Besides, I like it better to do possibly incompatible changes in one
step. YMMV, of course.
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http
throu an SSL connection (my smtp server use SSL) and I
cant find a way on mailhost object to change the set SSL . Does mailhost
object or ZOPE support SSL connections for SMTP protocol ?
No, I don't think it does.
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What you are trying to do has nothing with SMTP to do. It's fully MS
Outlook specific. You would have to write a mailhost that does not use
SMTP, but integrated directly to an outlook server. I have no idea of
how to do that, or even if it's possible.
What you might want to do instead, is too see
On 9/1/05, Chris Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lennart- the fax piece is something on my exchange server so as long as the
headers are correct it will interpret and route to the physical fax server
accordingly. The problem is that I can't seem to discover through googling
what these
technology in fact) has a serious performance
hit in the skins system. There are some improvements possible there,
like giving visitors a special skin that includes fewer skin folders
and such. Check on a plone list for more help there.
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