[Zope] Re: acl_users folder 25000
Kees de Brabander skrev: A client of mine wants a site that is only accessible for members. However, there are more than 25000 members. Are there any reasons that would make it unwise to populate an ordinary acl_users folder with such a number of user accounts? Have you tried to just generate 25K users in an empty site and see what happens? It should take 15 about minutes to set up and write the code. Members are stored in a dict, and the ZODB. They should be plenty fast. Last week I wrote a tool that imported 10K lines of data from a csv file as dicts. It took about 2 seconds to read them from disk and save them in the ZODB. That is comparable. Perhaps you don't have a problem? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: problem migrating ZClasses from Zope 2.6.1 to Zope 2.9.8
Allen Schmidt Sr. skrev: No idea even where to start. I played with creating a 'boring' object a while back but I am pretty sure ours is a tad more complicated. All the parts of our site I work on are in SQL and was never involved in the ZClass News stuff. It just works...and continues to work...but is limiting us from upgrading. This product only needs minor changes in the initialization code to be used as a generic product: http://www.mxm.dk/products/public/minimalPloneTool/ A bit more info here. Even though it is a bit outdated, it is pretty sound: http://www.zope.org/Members/maxm/HowTo/minimal_01 So, where to start. Once we get some guidance, we could probably do it ourselves. Anyone willing to a$$$ist? We don't have a budget for it but could scrape something together to get started. You understand how to motivate ;-) -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Looks like a great tool for making web apis with minimal effort.
A web based tool for making any site into an api using xml, json etc. See the screencast: http://grid.orch8.net/extractions/grab -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope/plone behind ISS
TrashMan skrev: I can't. There is another service active with IIS . Oh yes. Just put apache in front of that and proxy it. No one will know the difference. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: urlparse equivalent
David Bear skrev: On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 09:16:54PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a little suprised that there isn't anything like urlparse functionaly in zope. I would think parsing urls would be a fairly common chore. Which leads me to think that I may be thinking completely wrong about what I want to accomplish. You practically newer use urlparse like functionality when scripting and skinning zope. You sometimes do when developing special products, but then you got the entire python library to use. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Groupmember in ATWorkgroups
PaulGoe skrev: My problem is that I'm not good in Python. But I'm willing to look for a possibility to change the code if I'm sure that I'm working at the right part. :-) You are, but you need to change the portlet too, so that you don't link to the homefolder. Afair there si probably a few more place that needs a bit of changing for it to work. The main reason I have not changed it, is because it would change break the installed based. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: How to use Zope2 products in Zope3 ?
Andreas Jung skrev: --On 10. Oktober 2007 15:05:31 +1000 Andrew Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +---[ Andreas Jung ]-- | | Look at Philipp von Weitershausens Zope 3 Book or the Zope 3 Cockbock | by Stefan Richter. I think you mean cookbook. d8) ups :-) I believe the cockbook is by Steven Rooster. A synonym for Charles Dickens. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope is in trouble
Andreas Jung skrev: Basically everything is true. The time of www.zope.org as a software repository has gone. In earlier times zope.org has been the only Zope related site. Nowadays with the growth and Zope and a lot of new projects, projects moved out into different sites. zope.org is an official project of the Zope Foundation and there were some talks on relaunching zope.org - however I don't know about details and the current state. The new site is likely to become a small site representing the Zope platform in the first place. I used to be pretty active on the original Zope site. Then we got what we asked for, and it was migrated to Plone. Then it got too cumbersome to work with, and I put all the new stuff out on my own site. These days I use a mix of plone.org and my own site. zope.org is pretty irrelevant to what I do these days. I believe it is so for many zope people. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: genealogy product?
Mihamina (R12y) Rakotomandimby skrev: Hi, Would you know any genealogy product for Zope? Is zope a tool for managing a big (20 members) of genealogy oriented group, which has over 150,000,000 entries in the genealogy tree? It is now managed with about 20 servers and SQL databases but Zope might be a solution, isn't it? It depends a bit on what kind of data is in the genealogy product. If it is 150,000,000 of very similar data objects, it might be better stored in a relational database. It would probably be relatively simple to create a small working product, to import some of the data and see how it pans out. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope products that allows people to Add Commentsto publications
Shane Graber skrev: A quick look at svn (http://squishdot.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/squishdot/) shows no activity for 11 months, which also lends itself to this inference. I'm not meaning to sound harsh so I hope it doesn't come across this way. Ahh ... spoken as a true Plone developer. You are too used to minor versions breaking stuff. The upshot of the dev team moving their time and efforts to zope 3 is that the zope 2 base stays very stable :-s I have some stuff from years ago that runs unchanged on recent zope 2's If it it aint broke ... :-) -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Re: ZClassNG and ProductNG proposal
Andreas Jung skrev: He's trying to reinvent wheels? Reads a bit like GrokNG :-) And reinventing the wheel is bad? I believe that pirelli or firestone has a larger market than Zope. And they do nothing but. Besides, my car would suck with stone wheels at 100MPH. Well probably allready at 1MPH. Reinventing the wheel as something bad, is only bad as a metaphor ;-) -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: ZClasses Maintenance and Upgrade
Jonathan skrev: - Original Message - From: Christopher Lozinski Well I have finally reached the stage where I am pushing the limits of ZClasses and would love an upgrade. Guess I need to do it myself. I know this is a serious PITA... I just spent 3 months replacing ZClasses with a custom product in a client's web site because they did not want to get stuck in an old version of Zope. Come on now. I wrote this 5 message years ago: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2002-May/115427.html ZClasses have not changed since. It cannot be a surprise. :-) -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope] Re: Urgent Help Required......
Reena Karthikeyan skrev: *Dear All,* * * *I am a new user of Zope. I am sure, all of you all are masters at using Zope. I am not sure if I am writing my query to the right place. However, please forgive me if I am doing something wrong. * ** Please read this document http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#urgent -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: a question about aq_base
Dieter Maurer skrev: Yuri wrote at 2006-11-28 14:23 +0100: here: http://docs.neuroinf.de/programming-plone/ate we can read: obj = brain.getObject().aq_base why .aq_base and not only brain.getObject()? :) Usually, it is a bad idea to use aq_base in Zope applications You should carefully examine the context of the code fragment above. Maybe, the context is one of the rare situations where aq_base is called for... Why is it rare? I often need to check if an object has a certain attribute. Getting aquisition into the mix is a bad idea there.:: name = getattr(obj, 'name') Is a lot different than name = getattr(obj.aq_base, 'name') In the first example you don't know if the name attribute is an aquired object or an attribute on the actual object. Which can make for uncontrollable results. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
Aidan skrev: I'm a complete Zope novice. Forgive me if my question is inane. I need to be able to send an e-mail (following a form submit) with an attachment (and I prefer not to use DTML). I can send e-mails withOUT attachments, but according to this: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2005-May/159291.html If your are using Zope 2 and is a newbie, do yourself the favour of starting with Zope 3. If you want to work in zope 2 you should use Plone as a base, and create products with Archgen XML (AGX) There are no advantages in using plain Zope 2 anymore. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
Jens Vagelpohl skrev: If your are using Zope 2 and is a newbie, do yourself the favour of starting with Zope 3. If you want to work in zope 2 you should use Plone as a base, and create products with Archgen XML (AGX) There are no advantages in using plain Zope 2 anymore. I'm sorry, that's just complete BS. No it isn't! Mind what I said (or tried to say). If you are a *new developer*, with a *new project*, you are far better of starting with Zope 3 than with Zope 2. If you need features that are in Zope 2 but not in Zope 3, you are better of using a framework like Plone. I have done Zope for +6 years, and I would not dream of starting up a project from scratch in Zope 2 anymore. I did not say that Zope 2 was useless. I still spend most of my time working on Plone based projects. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
Jens Vagelpohl skrev: Mind what I said (or tried to say). If you are a *new developer*, with a *new project*, you are far better of starting with Zope 3 than with Zope 2. That's questionable. Answers like this only add to a certain FUD factor out there about Zope2 being thrown out shortly. You don't have to throw out Zope 2 to start using Zope 3. Just ignore Zope 2 and get on with it. If you need features that are in Zope 2 but not in Zope 3, you are better of using a framework like Plone. Hell no. Trying to throw a complete newbie not just into developing with Zope, but developing with Plone on top of Zope is, IMHO, insane. Not only do you need to learn Zope, you also need to learn the various Plone programming paradigms. That is why I recommended Zope 3 as the first choice. Zope 3 is clearly ready for production. In many areas it is allready far better than Zope 2. I don't understand why it is better for a newbie to learn Zope 2 than Zope 3? Zope 2 has so many warts, and is a dead end. That's just bad advice, unless someone truly wants those portal-like functionalities in Plone. And if they don't, they should use Zope 3. I did not say that Zope 2 was useless. I still spend most of my time working on Plone based projects. This is a case of professional blinders. You've been working with a specific combination for years so these things come easy to you. The problem is you don't seem to see that there is healthy life outside of Plone. Or outside of Zope 3, for that matter. Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3. This is not something I make up. It is the stated goal for all the Zope 2 based projects I have heard about. They call it slowly migrating to Zope 3, but it really is the same goal! This will take years. But it is happening. Eg. any new development in Plone will be in Zope 3. At least afaik. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
Jonathan skrev: P.S. if you want a complete newbie NOT to use zope, throw them into the deep end with Zope 3 (compared to Zope 2 there is not a lot of documentation, examples, and expertise available to help newbies; not to mention the fact that Zope 3 is still rapidly evolving). There is a *lot* more documentation of Z3 than there was of Z2 when I was a newbie in that... -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
Jonathan skrev: Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3. This is the first I have heard about Zope 2 being phased out... Well .. get used to it then ;-) Z2 will keep on being maintained until it is replaced by Z3. The goal of the zope developers is not about keeping Z2 and Z3 running for as long as possible. Only for as long as necessary. Z2 is still being maintained, and will be for a long time. But the development is all moving in the direction of Z3. Read the changelog of the latest Z2 releases. They are practially only about bugfixes and Z3 integration. Core Zope 2 development has practically grinded to a halt. New developments are taking place in Zope 3. How is that not an outphasing? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
Andreas Jung skrev: --On 6. November 2006 20:01:55 +0100 Max M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3. BS A case of bear says that in the next two years (1. Jan. 2008) the vast majority of Zope development will take place in Z3 technologies. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
Max M skrev: Andreas Jung skrev: --On 6. November 2006 20:01:55 +0100 Max M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the problem is that Zope 2 was never easy for beginners either. And by now it is starting to get phased out for Zope 3. BS A case of bear says that in the next two years (1. Jan. 2008) the vast majority of Zope development will take place in Z3 technologies. A case of beer will do in lack of bears. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: newbie -- creating a Product
Andreas Jung skrev: The future of Zope 2 and Zope 3 are open - Yes so please stop arguing as if we are arguing anything but opinions. read the corresponding posting on Zope 2+3 by Jim Fulton published after the last PyCon. There is no word of phasing out Zope 2. I believe it will happen a lot faster than you think. New versions of Plone will use it exensively, so there will be a lot of new developers from that comunity. Which is pretty big. That will drive the shift forward. I know plenty of Plone developers, and I don't recall that any of them yearn to stay in Z2 after having tried Z3. Quite the opposite. Btw. I don't see any reason to use words like 'drivel' and 'bullshit'. It is rude and counterproductive. And I don't recall that I have been rude on this list in general or to you specifically. I am not trolling I just gave a new developer what I believe is good advice. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Re: Future of ZClasses
Andreas Jung skrev: --On 27. September 2006 13:47:26 -0400 Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... i don't suppose anyone has an 'automagical' utility that instantly transforms zclasses to python classes, and then changes all dtml/external method usage do they? ...didn't think so ;-) Also I don't think so. Just my personal opinion: ZClasses were the biggest mistake in the history of Zope :-) Only the implementation. The idea of interactively creating objects through the web is a brilliant idea. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: I'm starting to get bored of people complaining about Zope
Sidnei da Silva wrote: Regarding: I'm starting to get bored of people complaining about Zope Being a full time active Zope developer (as in developing with zope) for at least 7 year, having contributed code, libraries, documentation and products, I believe I have earned the right to complain once every second year so! I know that if I have problems developing in Zope, so does many more people. And yes Zope 3 is the future, and will make everything so easy for developers. But in the meantime we don't have to scare people of with a difficult development process. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: I am starting to hate Zope/Plone development and its bl**dy lack of refresh.
Max M wrote: I am not sure what is causing the problems. I am mostly a developer of end user tools. Not a core Zope/Plone developer. And I am not really interested in becoming one either. There must be a niche for developers like me that focus on end users. Well ok. I have researched a bit more. All the speedup suggestions gave at maximum 5-10 seconds. Not nearly enough. (Didn't try to buy a new computer though. Will do that next week ;-) I also tried to run Zope as a zeo client from a usb flash disk. As expected the initial compilation to byte code was slw. I then expected it to run fast after that. It didn't! *clever* configuration clearly wasn't clever enough for me. So I made a site with a standard Zope tool: class simple_tool(UniqueObject, PropertyManager, SimpleItem.SimpleItem, ActionProviderBase): And I added a simple Plone skin. Now refresh worked like a charm. Both when changing the code in the tool and the page templates in the skin. So the problem only exists for me in Archetype based products. Anytime I do a change in any AT content type I need to restart the site. Can anybody confirm this behavior? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: I'm starting to get bored of people complaining about Zope
Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:39:14PM +0200, Max M wrote: | So the problem only exists for me in Archetype based products. Anytime I | do a change in any AT content type I need to restart the site. | | Can anybody confirm this behavior? That's a known-(at least to me)-issue. When you refresh an Archetypes-based product you need to refresh Archetypes as well. You can do this by marking the product as dependent on Archetypes and then refresh Archetypes (which will refresh it's dependencies, refreshing your product). I have tried that. It doesn't work. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] I am starting to hate Zope/Plone development and its bl**dy lack of refresh.
Back in the olden days Zope developments was tiresome. You did a change in your source file, and you needed to restart Zope to see the change. Then a 'refresh' option was made, and products would get automatically refreshed when a change was made. Sweet times. But doing development in Plone has become increasingly tiring since Zope 2.8 and up. Refresh no longer works, and the old debug, correct, restart cycle is back. Only this time a software stack the size a skyscrapers has to be loaded. Making it even slower than in the old Zope days. I am developing on a 1.2 GHz Athlon machine with 1 GB of ram. A slow machine by modern standards, I know. But it has been fast enough for everything so far. Just not for modern Plone development! A restart of Plone 2.5 - (Zope 2.8.6-final, python 2.3.5, win32) takes 46 seconds on this machine. For every little change. And it is driving me crazy. If I install zeo I can cut it down to 40 seconds :-s I am not sure what is causing the problems. I am mostly a developer of end user tools. Not a core Zope/Plone developer. And I am not really interested in becoming one either. There must be a niche for developers like me that focus on end users. I love Python because development/testing is so fast. Recompiling code in Java etc. to see a little chance, is a bad idea to me. But The Zope/Plone has developed into exactly this. I know that it technically is two different processes. But for me the end result is the same. I could try running a zeo client from a usb drive to get a faster restart, but it takes 20 minute to copy all the files to it. Does anybody have a clue as to where the problem is? And why aren't there any more people complaining about it? Is it because I develop on Windows and am the only one doing so? What do I have to do to get the sweet sweet refresh working again? Frustrated regards Max -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope] Re: zope or python reading big or little Endian...
Allen Huang wrote: can anyone help me with this? I have a file that is written in a combination of big and little Endian bit-coding, can does anyone know how I can translate using python or zope? Check out Pythons struct module -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope behind iis
Philip Kilner wrote: Hi Chris, Chris Withers wrote: Personally, I'd just put Apache in front of both Zope and IIS... Me too - simpler, better documented, safer. (Having seen a server wiped out via an IIS security hole, I just don't trust it on a public IP - long time ago, but once bitten, twice shy!) Hmmm ... then try making a mistake in your apache httpd.conf and turn on proxy by mistake. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Using property() function in Zope 2.8
I needed to dynamically generate local roles for an Archetypes based content object today. Different layers in my Plone stack breaks all rules and reads the __ac_local_roles__ variable directly, instead of calling get_local_roles() So to maximize the compatibility between Zopes zmi and Plones local roles management I wanted to make '__ac_local_roles__' a property with setters and getters. My AT class was based via a few hops on: 'from ExtensionClass import Base'. And as far as I understand from the release notes Zope 2.8.x should use extension classes based on new style classes. So the property function should work. This code below works in plain Python. But when I add them to my zope class, and run the tester() method I get an Attributer Error: __ac_local_roles__ Any ideas/comments? # -*- coding: latin-1 -*- class PropTest: def get__ac_local_roles__(self): return self.__mxm__ac_local_roles__ def set__ac_local_roles__(self, value): self.__mxm__ac_local_roles__ = value def del__ac_local_roles__(self): del self.__mxm__ac_local_roles__ __ac_local_roles__ = property(get__ac_local_roles__, set__ac_local_roles__, del__ac_local_roles__, Local roles on object) def tester(self): return self.__ac_local_roles__ if __name__ == '__main__': p = PropTest() p.__ac_local_roles__ = 'working' print p.tester() -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Using property() function in Zope 2.8
Fred Drake wrote: On 7/6/06, Rob Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's not an answer to your original question (i have nothing to add to what fred already replied) but TeamSpace solves this by using a ComputedAttribute instead of a property for the dynamic local roles. Yeah, I forgot all about ComputedAttribute. That's probably what you want if your class is an ExtensionClass. Yeah. I remember too now. I don't think I have used one of those since 2000 in plain Zope. Thanks. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Improved Zope Org Proposal
Chris Withers wrote: David H wrote: This is sounding more bizzare with each day and it doesnt feel good. Zope cant maintain a friggin web site? Isnt that rich. Hey David, Cool, thanks so much for volunteering to provide all the resources, coders and support staff to look after a 10,000 user site with all the problems that entails. Oh? What's that? You weren't volunteering? Personally I have not visited zope.org for a few years for anything other than releases. And I am a long time pro developer. It seems pretty obvious these days that having a one-shop zope.org site is too ambitious. Perhaps even wrong guided. I wouldn't even know what should be on it. Zope 2 development mostly means Plone these days. Plone has a great site already, so no reason to do to much about that. Pure Zope 3 is in even less use than pure Zope 2. The exciting stuff is going on in Five and 2-3 integration. But why the heck make a site about that? You could say that zope has been beaten by its own success. The only sensible approach I can see is to make a new zope.org with releases, installation guides etc. It should also showcases the great cms/applications that are build on top of it. With links to those sites. On those individual sites there are lots of documentation, product releases programming tricks etc. Eg. I develop in Plone, and practically all I knew about programming in pure Zope 2 is useless now that I am using UML/AT/AGX in Plone. It's like assembly language to a python programmer. I assume that it is the same for other frameworks. Having a 'Products' section on zope.org probably doesn't even make sense anymore. It is simply to low level. Drop all the old documentation and move it to old.zope.org. Just in cases there is a nugget somewhere. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Re: Unify the Zope 2 and Zope 3 repositories!
Chris Withers wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Jim suggested a different strategy with Zope 5 (http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-dev/2006-February/018415.html). The little bits and pieces that make up Zope 3 (the zope.* packages) would be developed more or less independently of Zope-the-app-server (which would only be one product called Zope 5 and incorporate ideas from Zope 2 and 3 and use those bits and pieces). Well, the sooner better... ...this comes mainly from my desire to see the exponential combination of branches problem go away... Technically speaking, isn't that a squared problem? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope] Re: Need prof. tool for conversion html-pdf
Tomasz Bielecki wrote: Greetings to all, my company is searching for a tool capable of producing good quality pdf's from page templates or documents on the fly. This tool should somehow integrate with Zope. It could be Zope/Plone product, python script or even shell script invoked by Zope. It can be commercial (and probably will be). I've searched the net, but found nothing that would met this requirements: * professional css conversion: pdf should look almost exactly like source document, all css properties should be handled * it should omit silently html elements, that are not supported (e.g. flash objects, applets) without crash or error * links should be active (clickable) in pdf * conversion of html forms to pdf forms would be nice to see * conversion from flash objects or java applets to static images (somehow) would be nice to see too * even putting flash objects into pdf was considered (i'm suspecting latest pdf format handles build-in flash, since adobe bought macromedia some time ago) Every help that i can get would be appreciated. With all those requirements I believe that every help you can get will be expensive ;-) Many of your wishes are huge tasks. A project like that could easily run into hundreds of hours. Building a custom tool using reportlab is probably the most feasible approach. But most likely you should forget about Zope Plone compatibility and just find a tool that can convert all html to pdf, and find one that can be automated. Then make sure that your Plone output can be converted via that tool. This turned up many interesting tools: http://www.google.dk/search?q=html+pdf+conversion -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Render DTML inslide ZPT slot
thomas desvenain wrote: and how can we transfer the namespace of the current zpt doing : div tal:replace=structure context/some_dtml_method / as we do in dtml writing : dtml-var some_dtml_method If it doesn't automatically you can most likely just write: div tal:replace=structure python.context.some_dtml_method(here, request, **options) / -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Re: Time-based releases vs Bugfixing
Lennart Regebro wrote: Zope2 development stood pretty much still for several years. We are no picking up the slack, and yes, that means loads of rapid changes. The alternative is stagnation and ultimately death. Well, I must say that I enjoyed that. Being able to add new functionality in peace, instead of fixing already working stuff. But then again, my interrest is in user functionality. Not in core development. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Time-based releases a good idea?
Andreas Jung wrote: At some point you have to make a cut to get rid of old crap. Fixing the zLOG issue is a straight forward approach with very little risks for the programmer and it won't take too much time..I don't see a major problem with that. Except that it hits a sore spot for open source right on the head. Products are developed for our customers, and they will keep working for those customers until they choose to upgrade. In my case, a single product often starts out as a tool for a single customer, that I then make available. Usually I get a lot of (unreasonable) change request that I ignore :-s, but no bug fixes at all. That is fair enough, as I don't fix many bugs in other peoples products. But the problem is that I don't fix bugs that doesn't exist for my customers. So deprecation warnings are ignored, until the product sponsor chooses upgrade. If this is how OSS generally works, as I expect, then deprecations will break stuff that just doesn't get fixed. And new user will find it impossible to get all the products they need to work together, in the latest version. But the problem is probably not the time based release, just that there is to few generations for deprecations. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope] Re: Questions on ZODB BTrees versus bsddb BTrees
Terry Jones wrote: Chris == Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris ZCatalog ships as a standard part of Zope, no need to download. Chris It's covered extensively in the zope book on Plope.org... Chris Not everything is as hard as some people manage to make it ;-) OK, thanks. I hope you'll agree though that the three excerpts below from http://www.zope.org/Documentation/How-To/ZCatalogTutorial do give the clear impression that ZCatalog is available as a separate standalo Hoy cow that doc is old. Last modified on 2003/08/01. That date was when the site was migrated from the previous version. So the real creation date is lost somewhere in space-time. But ZCatalog has allways been part of Zope as long as I have developed in it. And that is since sometime in the nineties. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: How to convert characters that have special meaning in HTML to HTML character entities
Jonathan Bowlas wrote:
Hi All,
I have a string that contains a a
href=http://www.mywebaddress.com;link/a tag that I would like rendered
as HTML when output but it only seems to render in the html page like this
lt;a href=http://www.mywebaddress.comgt;linklt;/agt;
To replace the characters, I tried this in my TAL:
tal:block tal:define=d_stand row/STANDFIRST | nothing;
d_stand_replaced_chars python: (str(d_stand)).replace('gt;','');
p tal:condition=d_stand_replaced_chars
tal:content=d_stand_replaced_chars /
/tal:block
But it converted the 'gt;' I replaced with a '' back to a 'gt;' upon
rendering the string in a html page.
Any ideas how I can achieve this?
tal:content=structure d_stand_replaced_chars
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[Zope] Re: Zope + Apache on Quad Debian machine
Hugo Ramos wrote: Has any1 tried this before? Can you point me to some documentation? What's your experience? is it true that not doing this the 4 cpu's will not be 100% used? I think these questions are very ZOPE RELATED since I asked them in a Zope mailing list don't you think? Eh ... it doesn't become zope related because you ask it in a Zope group. Do you also ask how to write books on a Microsoft Word list? I'm asking about Zope user/administrator experience related to Zope use on a quad machine!!! Of course if some1 tells me how to do it using OS related stuff this is STILL Zope related! Assigning a process to a cpu is a general os problem, and not really related to zope. Zope is just another process. eg: http://www.google.com/search?q=cpu+affinity plone.org is running on a dual cpu box, with one zeo and a zeo client, so clearly it can be done. Hey... but thank you Jens for spending all that time writing an email that doesn't help any1 at all...!!! Sarkasm against a long time, and helpfull, list user will not help you any at all. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope + Apache on Quad Debian machine
Chris Withers wrote: Hugo Ramos wrote: However, as an aside, how have you established that processor affinity is the problem here? I'd suggest looking at your disk and memory usage patterns. i/o wait or swap death could quite easily see your processors only hitting 30% even if the affinity is locked down exactly as you'd like... With a 4 GB machine that is probably not a problem. You can usually run quite a few sites with that much memory. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Re: How to delete an object given a path in Zope
Tres Seaver wrote:
Takahashi, Michael wrote:
I've actually tried that. The problem I run into is that the folder in
my path contains a dash. When I call manage_delObjects on the following:
obj = context.restrictedTraverse('webcasts/courses/2005-2006/temp')
You need to get a reference to the container, and call
'manage_delObject' on it, e.g.:
container = context.restrictedTraverse('webcasts/courses/2005-2006')
container.manage_delObject('temp')
I usually just call aq_parent
obj = context.restrictedTraverse('webcasts/courses/2005-2006/temp')
container = obj.aq_parent
container.manage_delObject('temp')
If you are deleting a list of objects in different folders you need to
do a bit of tapdancing not to delete parents first. Like reverse sorting
on the length of the physical path.
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[Zope] Re: About Archetypes
Sergio Gomez wrote: Does anybody know a good tutorial on how to write archetypes from scratch? The best approach today is using eg Poseidon for UML Community Edition, and then ArchegenXML to generate skeletons for your AT content types. It is a bit longwinded until you figure it out, but very nice and really fast once you get to know it. http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/archgenxml-getting-started http://gentleware.com/ (Poseidon) -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: display results from external source in zpt
Dean Hale wrote:
Hi,
Apologies if this is easy to do, cannot find any help in the archives
(but then again not sure what to search for)
We currently run a script on an external server which returns results
depending on the userid of the user, which is added to the link below
once the user logs into zope.
It works and displays what is needed, however i would like to display
the results somehow within a page template rather than the user having
to go elsewhere to see the results.
a href= tal:define=uid python:member.getProperty('uid')
tal:attributes=href
string:http://site.ac.uk/cgi-bin/tasks?uid=$uidfmt=plain;view results/a
Basically we would like to run above somehow but all results are
returned within the same page.
This might be what the doctor ordered?
http://www.mxm.dk/products/public/mxmProxyTool/
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[Zope] Re: Zope + Apache on Quad Debian machine
Hugo Ramos wrote: Yellow, I'm using Zope+Apache on a 4 xeon's/4GB ram machine running Debian. I've noticed that the CPU's never go beyond 30% top occupation... but on rush hours the site takes too long to load... I've been reading about process affinity and how it could speed up everything by making zope run on 1 CPU, Apache on another and so on... Has any1 tried this before? Can you point me to some documentation? What's your experience? is it true that not doing this the 4 cpu's will not be 100% used? You can set up zope with zeo and then assign 3 zeo clients on different processors that shares the zeo server. That should get you a lot of the way. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Problems with .po files
Sergio Gomez wrote: Hi, I am working in a Plone website, developing under windows, but publishing under linux. My problem is that the .po files containing my own translations work under windows, but they don't under linux, and I do not know if it is something that I am not doing correctly. It probably doesn't like windows line endings. Try to use an editor that can convert to unix line endings. Eg. Crimson Editor is free, and ok. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Re: characters allowed in object IDs
yuppie wrote:
Hi!
As of Zope 2.8.2 (http://svn.zope.org/?rev=38738view=rev) the '@'
character is allowed in object IDs.
Zope 3 does not allow object IDs starting with '@' because those names
are reserved for views.
Five makes Zope 3 style views available in Zope 2, so IDs starting with
'@' should be disallowed in Zope 2 as well.
If there are no objections I'll fix that in Zope 2.8, 2.9 and trunk.
There are several use cases for using an email as the user id.
Especially when integrating to legacy systems.
So http://localhost/plone/Members/[EMAIL PROTECTED] should be legal.
Otherwise it is a pita. (Until it gets ok to it in Plone I have a
monkeypatch for Plone that allows this, and it's pretty simple.)
If you just want to prohibit id.startswith('@') it is fine by me.
But prohibiting id.find('@') != -1 would suck.
I cannot at the top of my head think of a case where @name is used...
But if anyone else knows about it. Please speak up.
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[Zope-dev] Re: characters allowed in object IDs
yuppie wrote: Dieter Maurer wrote: To support WebDAV as widely as possible, I would prefer to get rid of all id restrictions. I do not like to see new restrictions emerging... You just don't like it or do you know a better alternative? We need a way to make sure that object IDs can't mask browser views and resources. The current solution in Zope 3 is to reserve names starting with '+' and '@' for resources and views. Compared to Zope 2.8.1 and earlier this is no new restriction. But that doesn't mean that the restriction was good in the first place. Naturally there will be some insane developers out there doing webdav, with @ having a special meaning, that will bite us in the ... future. Leading '_' gave problems. '@' in ids has caused problems. So there is no reason to expect that a leading '@' won't at some time. Only trouble is that it will be a problem in Zope 3 too. Now that Twisted is put in front of Plone, we can also expect it to be a problem when Zope is used as a server for other services. Eg. mirroring an imap folder structure from exchange. Which I am allready having some fun with in mxmImapClient. :-s -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope] Re: Upgrading to Zope 2.9.1
Chris Withers wrote: Dieter Maurer wrote: It does now -- at least for FSPythonScripts when you are on a *nix platform and your files contain DOS lineends. Does this only affect (FS)PythonScripts or all disk based python code? There has been a bug in Zope since ages, where multiline python in tal fails if it has Window line endings. Eg. this will fail with windows line endings: div tal:content=content python:' '.join(['oh', 'bugger']) This does not have multiline Python in the tal expression and will not fail: div tal:attributes=title string:a title; id python: '42'; I have no idea if it is a manifestation of the same problem. Since no one with the knowledge of the ZPT is willing to fix it, I did it for myself by setting up my svn rules to linux line endings ... But it is clearly an annoying bug. Imagine if plain Python worked that way :-( -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science Phone: +45 66 11 84 94 Mobile: +45 29 93 42 96 ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Need Urgent Help
Andrew Milton wrote: +---[ Andreas Jung ]-- | | But learn to post before posting again. | Subjects like need urgent help + cross-postings are the first step | for a consultant to throw such a posting into the trashcan. Actually we rub our hands together and triple our rate d8) LOL! -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions?
Rocky Burt wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 09:30 +0100, Max M wrote: Benji York wrote: If we want people outside of the zope community to use these components, they should not have the word zope anywhere in their name. If it says zope people will *always* assume it is for use only with/inside Zope (Zope 2 more often than not). Would we want people outside the community to do this? We want as much as the python developer as possible to use pieces of zope. This means those pieces of zope will have had greater testing, more reviewing, and ultimately, more people contributing. I am *not* against other developers using bits of Zope. So I am sort of being the devils advocate here. But everytime it is mentioned, it is allways mentioned as a purely good thing. But it is in fact not without cost. Eg. conflicting interrests of 'external' and 'internal' users, or code that becomes more complex because of different use cases. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Two visions?
Geoff Davis wrote: No, I think I understood you. I was being sloppy in my use of language. I should have said something more like Zope 3 then becomes an application server built around the Zed library. Or Zed is the part of Zope that can be used without Zope. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Two visions
Stefane Fermigier wrote: Strange how (most of) the Plone people seem to be so quick in willing to sacrifice the Zope brand :( In out world Zope doesn't have a brand. Plone has a it. Most of our customers doesn't have a clue as to what Zope is. As far as I can tell, Zope is a developers brand. No end users (customers) starts up with Zope anymore. Rather they go straight to Plone/CPS etc. Splitting up Zope to let people use seperate pieces of Zope aka Zed is not a valid reason. Good software practise is a valid reason. But catering for those few developers that wants to use just a few pieces is probably not worth the effort. Zope didn't become really popular before Plone/CPS etc. In my case customers are calling and asking for Plone solutions. Nobody where ever asking for Zope solutions! You had to push hard to make the customer use Zope instead of .asp/Java etc. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Two visions?
Benji York wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Good point. There's the question: Does this zed thing need a different name at all? If we want other people to pick it up, then it seems like a good idea to distinguish it from Zope-the-app-server. Paul seems to suggest that in his response. How about zopelib? If we want people outside of the zope community to use these components, they should not have the word zope anywhere in their name. If it says zope people will *always* assume it is for use only with/inside Zope (Zope 2 more often than not). Would we want people outside the community to do this? Would it ever be an audience bigger than 5-10 developers somewhere who would even have different goals than the Zope community. It is difficult enough right now to herd this flock of cats called Zope developers. Why would we want to make it even more difficult by adding other communities? Personally I could not care less if Page Templates are used in TurboGears and other frameworks. Splitting up software into chunks with few dependencies should be done because it is good software practice. Not to favour other communities. We should rather make a cool stack that will include people in Zope. Please remember It is *still* the sexiest technology out there! -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Two visions
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: Max M said the following on 2006-02-27 17:26: Jim Fulton wrote: 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. Zope 2 is complicated! It has too many layers of everything. read the full sentence that Jim wrote: 2) In an alternate vision, Zope 2 evolves to Zope 5. ... Note that Zope 5 will leverage Zope 3 technologies to allow a variety of configurations, including a Zope 2-like configuration with implicit acquisition and through-the-web development, and a Zope 3-like configuration that looks a lot like the current Zope 3 application server. Maybe, there will be a configuration that allows Zope 2 and Zope 3 applications to be combined to a significant degree. In this scenario I cannot see how much of the old ways of zope2 remain (unless I have a totally unrealistic view of what Jim proposes). zope 2 or zop3 become an issue of configuring which components/parts to use. But he also says: - Zope 3 doesn't have to reproduce all Zope 2 features. Which i fear could mean that the Zope 2 stack will hang in there for ever. I am pretty shure that is not what he meant meant to imply, I just wanted to make my view clear. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [ZWeb] zope web status report 2006-02-06
Chris Withers wrote: Tonico Strasser wrote: IMHO, the most important change for reducing visual design complexity, is to get rid of the /Members section, including log in/log out, and the whole TTW content management system. I think it's much easier to add and update content with SVN. (This would also effectively eliminate the SPAM problem.) Although you loose the place that many people use to store their products for distribution :-/ Oh well, if this new thing actually works, I guess the trade off is worth it... If we cannot make it work in Zope 2 or 3, maybe we should use rails ;-) -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[Zope] Re: Packing data.fs programmatically
Chris Withers wrote: Reinoud van Leeuwen wrote: I do it though the webinterface with a wget from the crontab: @daily cd /some_path/zeo_server/var \ cp Data.fs Data.fs.pre_pack_backup \ /usr/local/bin/wget \ 'http://myzopeserver/Control_Panel/Database/manage_pack?days:float=0'\ --http-user=special_user \ --http-passwd='some_password' \ --spider \cp Data.fs Data.fs.post_pack_backup Oh, ouch ouch bad fragile pain failure suffering... URL whacking is evil and must be punished... What is the better way then? ZEO and ordinary Python scripts? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope vs Plone: performance issues!
Chris Withers wrote: Me? I couldn't _possibly_ comment ;-) Mr. Chris FU Withers, you might very will think so. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Re: [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10
Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, - Gadfly(DA) - do we really need this? We discussed this already. In my opinion the purpose of Gadfly is only educational but nothing that one really needs or uses for production. It could be removed and made available for download on zope.org. -1 From time to time I teach classes on Zope. Often to people with an sql legacy. Most companies don't have a computer lab with similar machines, so often the educational software must be installed on the participants own machine. Which can be of any platform. Using Gadfly as an educational tool is *very* practical. Eg. they can install Zope, and begin using sql at once. Having to install postgres etc. just to teach about database connections etc. would be really impractical. If there is another practical way to do it, that would be fine too. I don't know about sqllite. But if it's more difficulte than dropping a package into a directory it would be bad. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope] Re: Can HTTP and WebDAV share port 80?
Michael Dexter wrote: Hello, It appears that Apache and IIS put both HTTP and WebDAV/HTTP traffic over the same port. Can Zope do the same? Why? Why not? What I usually do is to create a RewriteRule in apache, that rewrites to the dav port. RewriteRule ^/webdav(.*) http://localhost:1981/VirtualHostBase/http/www.example.com:80/plone_instance/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_webdav/$1 [P,L] So that the webdav port can be gotten to at: http://www.example.com:80/webdav -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Method cache (Memoize) for Zope
Has anybody written a Memoize-like decorator for Zope? I imagine that it could be a nice feature to have a standard decorator for Zope that would cache results in a _v_ volatile variable. I usually do it a bit like this:: def _cache_it(self, meth, *args, **kwargs): cache_name = '_v_%s' % meth.__name__ if not hasattr(self, cache_name): result = meth(*args, **kwargs) setattr(self, cache_name, result) return getattr(self, cache_name) def _some_function(self): # do expensive calculations and return result return 42 def some_function(self, *args, **kwargs): Returns cached values return self._cache_it(self._some_function, *args, **kwargs) But I guess that there must be someone who has allready written a more generic way to do it via generators? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Using the set object within page templates
Floyd May wrote: How can I use a set object within a page template? When I attempt to create a set (e.g. tal:define=myset python:set(some_list)), zope complains that the name 'set' is not defined. If you only need to read from some native python objects, you can make a simple wrapper. You can wrap a set() in this class and return it from python. _marker = [] class Zello: Zello (Zellophane) A minimal wrapper for viewing native python objects in pagetemplates. If you try to view attributes on simple Python objects you get a Permission error. This is pretty simple to fix in your own objects by setting: __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1 For some built in objects you cannot do this. This class just puts a transparent wrapper around such objects:: wrapped = Zello(datetime(2005, 10, 12)) So you can write this zpt code: span tal:replace=wrapped/year / If you wrap a Zope object with it, you basically remove all security checkcs. So don't do that. __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects__ = 1 def __init__(self, obj): self._obj = obj def __getattr__(self, attr, default=_marker): if default is _marker: return getattr(self._obj, attr) else: return getattr(self._obj, attr, default) def __getitem__(self, key): return self._obj[key] -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] JSON for Ajax applications
I don't know how many has seen this, but it's pretty cool. JSON (JavaScript Object Notation) is a lightweight data-interchange format. http://www.crockford.com/JSON/index.html It is used for Ajax applications to transfer data instead of xml. It uses repr() versions of standard python objects like dicts, lists, string, numbers etc. to transfer data. It is really simple to generate for Python programmers, so it is very simple to use in Zope too. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: JSON for Ajax applications
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: Max M wrote: JSON (JavaScript Object Notation) is a lightweight data-interchange format. this is used at 100% and more in cpsskins for Zope3 (cf. z3lab.org). You might also have a look at Jim Washington's 'jsonserver' for Zope3 and its implementation for Zope2 http://zif.hill-street.net/jsonserver I read the posts about jsonserver, but somehow it didn't register on my radar. I read it as Johnson-server so i dismissed it, thinking it was some kind of personal project :-/ But it looks increasingly sexy ... -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope iso-8859-1 to utf-8
Pascal Peregrina wrote: Hi, I have been running a Zope installation for 2 years, so there are now lots of objects, properties, etc... I would like to know what are the possible issues I may have to face if I change the default encoding for iso-8859-1 to utf-8 in ZMI. You must write a script that converts any property on any object in your site that is latin-1 to utf-8. So first find all objects you use. See what types they are. Find all text and string attributes on those opjects. Write a function that converts from latin to utf and run that on every object. The hard part will be finding all the attributes, but perhaps you can write a method that can help find those properties for you using introspection. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Can I use datetime and timedelta in zope?
jai alai wrote: Kaixo; I try to use datetime and timedelta in Zope and returns a error Error Type: ImportError Error Value: import of datetime is unauthorized I try use datetime and timedelta in an External Method and returns an error to Error Type: ImportError Error Value: No module named datetime There's any way to import this module in Zope or I must create a new product for it. Use the DateTime module in Zope. If you need datetime and timedelta, you can convert between DateTime and datetime with (untested): from DateTime import DateTime from datetime import tzinfo ZERO = timedelta(0) HOUR = timedelta(hours=1) STDOFFSET = timedelta(seconds = -_time.timezone) if _time.daylight: DSTOFFSET = timedelta(seconds = -_time.altzone) else: DSTOFFSET = STDOFFSET DSTDIFF = DSTOFFSET - STDOFFSET class LocalTimezone(tzinfo): Timezone of the machine where the code is running def utcoffset(self, dt): if self._isdst(dt): return DSTOFFSET else: return STDOFFSET def dst(self, dt): if self._isdst(dt): return DSTDIFF else: return ZERO def tzname(self, dt): return _time.tzname[self._isdst(dt)] def _isdst(self, dt): tt = (dt.year, dt.month, dt.day, dt.hour, dt.minute, dt.second, dt.weekday(), 0, -1) stamp = _time.mktime(tt) tt = _time.localtime(stamp) return tt.tm_isdst 0 def dt2DT(dt): Converts Python datetime to Zope DateTime try: # convert dt to local timezone ltz = dt.astimezone(LocalTimezone()) return DateTime(*ltz.timetuple()[:6]) except: return DateTime(dt.year, dt.month, dt.day, 0, 0, 0) def DT2dt(DT): Converts Zope DateTime to Python datetime, Zope DateTime is allways utc return datetime.fromtimestamp(DT.timeTime(), LocalTimezone()) -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Adding a zope product
Paul Hendrick wrote: Hi all, i've just started with zope, and i'm trying to write a filesystem product, so i can have a project in svn and work on it in the filesystem. I've followed the guide at zope.org for creating a minimal product, but can't get this to show up in the list of products. If you are starting from scratch learning Zope, and you don't want to use one of the frameworks, it would be far better to start on Zope 3 It's better coded, easier to understand, more futureproof and probably better documented. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Adding a zope product
Peter Bengtsson wrote: you registered the manage_addminimal function for creating the actual object, but what about the ZMI form that lets call manage_addminimal? It is not necessary in this case, as the function sets the id and adds the instance. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Sharing global data between threads / locking a method
Dieter Maurer wrote:
Max M wrote at 2005-6-27 15:53 +0200:
...
So in a external method/module I have a function like this:
BUSY_STATE = 0
def sync_in_progress(busy=None):
global BUSY_STATE
if busy is None:
return BUSY_STATE
else:
BUSY_STATE = busy
Note that this is likely to fail.
The module containing an External Method is maintained in the
ZODB cache. As a consequence, each worker gets its own copy
and you cannot synchronize via global variables of such modules.
Use a true Python module (note that Zope does not import
the source file of an External Method; therefore, it is
not inside a module in the Python sense) when you need
synchronization via global module level variables.
I wrote a small tool and ended up with this:
BUSY_STATE = 0
def sync_in_progress(busy=None):
global BUSY_STATE
print ''
print 'BUSY_STATE:', BUSY_STATE, 'busy:', busy
print ''
if not busy is None:
BUSY_STATE = busy
return BUSY_STATE
class Syncer(UniqueObject, PropertyManager,
SimpleItem.SimpleItem, ActionProviderBase):
def redirect(self, url):
self.REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(url)
def reset(self):
reset
return repr(sync_in_progress(0))
def sync(self):
Syncs
print '##'
print 'sync start'
if not sync_in_progress():
sync_in_progress(1)
self.redirect('%s/sync_action' % self.absolute_url())
else:
return 'SYNC: in progress'
def sync_action(self):
sync_action
# do stuff
sync_in_progress(1)
self.sync_calendar()
self.sync_email()
sync_in_progress(0)
return 'SYNC: done'
It doesn't seem to work without the redirect. Which is the reason for
having both a sync and a sync_action method.
--
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[Zope-dev] Re: Problems with PageTemplates on Zope 2.8
Morten W. Petersen wrote: Hi, I have an application called the Issue Dealer which I'm porting to Zope 2.8. However, whenever I try to access a PageTemplate which makes use of a page template macro it just hangs and consumes all available CPU. Any ideas what could be wrong here, or how I could debug it? Does the server or the client hang? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope] Sharing global data between threads / locking a method
I have a synkronisation script that I run every 10 minutes via wget from
a cron job.
Sometimes the script runs longer than 10 minutes.
In that case I would like to return a page to wget, but not run the
actual script.
So in a external method/module I have a function like this:
BUSY_STATE = 0
def sync_in_progress(busy=None):
global BUSY_STATE
if busy is None:
return BUSY_STATE
else:
BUSY_STATE = busy
The idea is that BUSY_STATE is a global value shared between all
threads, and if the sync_test() function below is called while it is
allready running in another thread, it will just return 'Sync allready
in progress'.
I then wrap the actual sync code like this:
def long_test_function(): # just to kill time
t = Timer('Loop time')
for i in xrange(10**7):
d = 7*8
e = 7*8
print t.time()
return d
def sync_test(self):
if not sync_in_progress():
sync_in_progress(1)
long_test_function() # placeholder for the real sync code
sync_in_progress(0)
return 'Sync done'
else:
return 'Sync allready in progress'
But it seems that the new method merely waits until the first one has
completed.
So it allways returns 'Sync done' and calls long_test_function()
What am I misunderstanding here? Isn't it the right way to share global
data? Or is there some kind of locking going on under my nose that I am
to blind to see.
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[Zope] Re: Newbie Questions - many-many relationships? Zope 2 or 3?
Jim Vine wrote: Having a look through past threads on this mailing list I've noticed a few references to mxmRelations (http://www.zope.org/Members/maxm/products/mxmRelations) which seems to match up - have I got the right end of the stick? Before I jump in with this I'd appreciate any advice or guidance you could provide - it'd be greatly appreciated. Use Plone and references instead ;-) -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Objects loosing persistency
I have a Plone web app where the users are complaining that they can create objects, edit titles etc. But when they return to the objects a little later, they are gone. The same behaviour as when an object doesn't have its _p_changed = 1 set, it seems to me. So I just wonder if anybody knows what can be causing this? It is not programming error as it happens with stable products. It is only this particular site that has the problem. There are reletively many objects in the system, so I suspect it to be some kind of conflict with a lot of reads blocking for the writing to the ZODB? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Re: BTrees and Persistance
Yair Benita wrote: # I would really really like this to work T[1].add(6) T._p_changed = True get_transaction().commit() Why not use 'IOSet' in the BTrees package? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope] Memorysegment error in Zope
I am writing an Imap client. The Imap server (Groupwise) I connect to is
really slow at accepting logins.
So I have made a connection pool where I store the open connections to
the server.
But once in a while I get a memory segment error on the server and it
crashes.
I suspect what happens is that a connection has been idle for to long,
ad the connection dropped by the imap server. Which might cause some
memory to be freed that is then accessed when I call noop().
It could also be be some kind of threading problem.
Does any of you hav an ide as to how I can find out? I am not used to
these kind of problems, having been spoiled by Python for too long.
regards Max M
I have attached the connection pool code in the bottom.
##
# a borg/singleton for pooling connections.
# Necessary as login can take a looong time
class ConnectionPool:
__shared_state = {}
def __init__(self):
self.__dict__ = self.__shared_state
def getConnection(self, server_uri, user, password):
if not hasattr(self, 'connections'):
self.connections = {}
user_key = (server_uri, user, password)
user_connections = self.connections.setdefault(user_key, [])
# first try and return a connection from the pool
for i in range(len(user_connections)-1, -1, -1):
# a connection can be timed out,
# try noop to see if it's still open
connection = user_connections[i]
try:
connection.noop()
return user_connections.pop(i)
except: # else login again
user_connections.pop(i)
# if no usable connections in the pool,
# create new one and return it
return Imap4Connector(server_uri, user, password)
def release(self, connection):
# take the connection and put it in the pool
user_key = (connection.server_uri, connection.user, \
connection.password)
user_connections = self.connections.setdefault(user_key, [])
user_connections.append(connection)
--
hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark
http://www.mxm.dk/
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[Zope] Re: Memorysegment error in Zope
Andreas Jung wrote: I suspect what happens is that a connection has been idle for to long, ad the connection dropped by the imap server. Which might cause some memory to be freed that is then accessed when I call noop(). So it would be (group)wise to ask the vendor (Novell)? Zope and Groupwise are on different machines, so I don't think I can blame Groupwise. Imap servers are supposed to loose the connection after a set time. eg. 20 minutes. It is most likely something that happens in the imap library. Perhaps a socket being freed and garbage collected, which I then try to access from the pool. My connection pooling is just a thin wrapper around the standard imap library. So I guess I should try to find the problem there. Looking at the code I see nothing that could help from figuring out some server problems or doing some remote healing. Ok. I will need to do some deeper debugging. Nothing is more fun than debugging something with a 20 minutes timeout :-s -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: How to convert Zope instance charset?
Daniel Dekany wrote: Sunday, April 24, 2005, 4:22:10 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: Zope itself gives a method for sorting strings: DocumentTemplate.sequence.sort. Many of the products relies on that for sorting. And that sorts UTF-8 incorrectly Then it will probably be easiest to just patch it up to sort correctly. Or file a bug in the collector. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: How to convert Zope instance charset?
Andreas Jung wrote: Daniel Dekany wrote: Sunday, April 24, 2005, 4:22:10 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: Zope itself gives a method for sorting strings: DocumentTemplate.sequence.sort. Many of the products relies on that for sorting. And that sorts UTF-8 incorrectly Then it will probably be easiest to just patch it up to sort correctly. Or file a bug in the collector. A candidate for a reject. I pointed out that the sort method can not smell your encoding. If you deal with encodings and deal with it in the right way but don't expect that the underlying framework can smell or guess what kind of encoding your application uses. Otherwise: use Python unicode strings *only* and *overall*. Yes. I was thinking in the line of a monkeypatch of the sort method, that could be used in eg. Plone. It should be very possible for it to look up the charset under properties, and decode strings from that before sorting. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] DateTime(), locale, summertime etc.
I have a product where I convert some external datetimes to zope DateTime() objects. I save them as UTC as zopes DateTime does by default. But when these are rendered, the time is offset by two hours. A few weeks ago, it wasn't that bad. It was only one hour, but then summertime came along ;-) So it seems that there is some magic going on where Zope tries to take locale and summertime into account. Is this configurable somewhere. In Zope, Python, as a command switch or in a config file? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: DateTime(), locale, summertime etc.
Max M wrote: I have a product where I convert some external datetimes to zope DateTime() objects. I save them as UTC as zopes DateTime does by default. But when these are rendered, the time is offset by two hours. Ok. I was unclear here. I convert from datetime objects (python) to DateTime (zope) objects. The datetime objects are in UTC format. So are the DateTime objects. On an external system I enter a time of 11:00. The external system then saves the value as 9:00 UTC, which is correct. Taking summertime and time zone offset into account. When I convert to DateTime objects, they are saved as 9:00 Universal. So that is correct too. The DateTime objects are then displayed in Zope/Plone in UTC time. I would expect Zope to represent them in the systems locale 'danish' and display them as 11:00 I have set the locale danish directive in my zope.conf, but that doens't change anything. Does anybody have an idea as to what to try out next? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I think ZPT and python scripts are much more useful tools for newbies who will often enter with a scripting rather than OO frame of mind. Wouldn't that be ZPT and adapters ;-) -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: DateTime(), locale, summertime etc.
Max M wrote: When I convert to DateTime objects, they are saved as 9:00 Universal. So that is correct too. Ok. Turned out that I have misunderstood zopes DateTime(). It saves in UTC, but it still needs a timezone. So converting datetime objects to the local timezone and then converting to DateTime objects also as local timezone did the trick. hmmm -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Does anyone care whether we deprecate ZClasses?
Jim Fulton wrote: We could choose to deprecate ZClasses. If we deprecated them in Zope 2.8, they would still work in Zope 2.8 and Zope 2.9, but their support would be removed in Zope 2.10. Would anyone be upset if this happened? They are evil, they are bad. They lead newcommers down a blind road. Please do drop them. Besides, I think that most people are starting up on Zope using a cms like Plone, and in there I believe they go straight for archetypes. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope-dev] Re: brain.getObject and traversal
Chris Withers wrote: Well, in 2.8, new behaviour is expected, right? I really passionately believe that we should not be returnining None in Zope 2.8, and since 2.8 hasn't quite hit beta yet I'm very keen to see it fixed asap. Any objections? Most of my queries, where I need to wake up objects, has the form:: brains = catalog(portal_type='Document') objects = [] for brain in brains: try: obj = brain.getObject() if not obj is None: objects.append(obj) except: pass So it will not break any of my code, and I guess that most do something similar. Another thing is that I think that this pattern is so common that the catalog should have a query method where brains are automatically converted to objects. Like: objects = catalog.getObjects(portal_type='Document') That would be a handy time saver. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Problems with non-zope object attribute access
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: but I still get The container has no security assertions. Access to 'lname' of (Products.pdbapi.person.Person instance at 0x03449DA0) denied. errors when I try to access the attributes of a person object in the list. What about wrapping them with something like? class AccessWrapper: __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects = 1 def __init__(self, obj): self._obj = obj def __getattr__(self, attr): return getattr(self._obj) -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Problems with non-zope object attribute access
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: I have tried the following in my product class: def _zopify(self, o): # wrap object o in a an Acquisition.ImplicitAcquisitionWrapper # add __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects = 1 # Return o o.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects = 1 return Acquisition.ImplicitAcquisitionWrapper(o, self) and in my product code I do this. plist = get_non_zope_person_object_list(...) return [self._zopify(person) for person in plist ] btw. if setting __allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects = 1 on the object doesn't work, the ImplicitAcquisitionWrapper most likely sets it to something else. have you tried changing the order? w = Acquisition.ImplicitAcquisitionWrapper(o, self) w.__allow_access_to_unprotected_subobjects = 1 return w -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: ZCatalog getObject broken
Roché Compaan wrote: The rest of the discussion basically boils down to figure out if the user is allowed to access C or not. Hasn't it been raised allready that there is no way of knowing that? A single method might be public, but the rest of the object is hidden. What to do then? Just ignore the public method and use the objects overall visibility? -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: ZCatalog getObject broken
Roché Compaan wrote: I'm unsure about the security check in the patch below - I copied the way restrictedTraverse does it. I read through validate in the default security policy but it is one of those methods where all the security implications doesn't fit in your head all at once. --- CatalogBrains.py~ 2004-03-23 22:27:23.0 +0200 +++ CatalogBrains.py2005-03-03 09:43:48.0 +0200 @@ -47,7 +47,11 @@ (i.e., it was deleted or moved without recataloging), or if the user is not authorized to access an object along the path. -return self.aq_parent.restrictedTraverse(self.getPath(), None) +obj = self.aq_parent.unrestrictedTraverse(self.getPath(), None) +if obj and securityManager.validate(obj, obj, None, None): +return obj +else: +return None There is a method deep down in Zope somewhere called: self.authenticated_has_access(obj) I cannot find the definition on my local Windows install, so I assume it's defined in some c code somewhere. Unfortunately there is no docs on the web either. Though there must have been at some time, as I would otherwise never have found it. Hmm... that is odd. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: CatalogBrains since Zope2.7.1b1
Eric Brun wrote: Hi, I have a problem with 'getObject' method of CatalogBrains class on Zope271b1 : it's return None. But with a Zope2.7.0 my object is correctly find and returned. The permissions are right. Probably an object has been deleted without being uncatalogued. This happens often. Either reindex the catalog, or take the None's into account in your code. The latter is the safest approach. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: [ZODB-Dev] Re: BTrees strangeness (was Zope 2.X BIG Session problems - blocker - our site dies - need help of experience Zope developer, please)
Andrea Patuzzo wrote: We are now randomly getting this kind of error: Note: once the error happens, zope has to be restarted to function again. Before applying patches we were getting get errors (instead of __setitem__) and we just had to close browser to get back to work. That's right. Under Plone 2.0 and Zope 2.7 I had the same kind of problem. But when I restarted the browser it would be solved. That could point in the direction of a session id being somehow involved. -- hilsen/regards Max M, Denmark http://www.mxm.dk/ IT's Mad Science ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] How To run current Zope 2 3 from CVS on Windows
As I said, I would write a How-To in getting Zope 3 up and running on Windows, given the binaries that Tim has made. http://www.mxm.dk/papers/run-z3-cvs-wthout-compiler/ Feel free to comment. regards Max M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: Should we require windows users to use tools that honor Unix line endings? (Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] ATTENTION! cvs to subversion transitiontomorrow)
Jim Fulton wrote: I think the real answer, the answer that the svn (and arch) developers believe in the heart of hearts is that windows users should be using tools that understand, well, understand and always produce Unix line endings. Is it practical to require windows users to use tools that understand and produce Unix line endings? It is not a problem, but it would be odd. Python don't make me do it. Why then should the version control system do it? It's not difficult to find a Windows editor that understands unix line endings, but it would be very easy to forget to ocasionally convert dos files to unix. regards Max M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Demonstration subversion repository created
Jim Fulton wrote: I've done a conversion of a snapshot of the CVS database from yesterday. This is just to allow people to play with subversion and see what the respoitory might look like when we do cut over. To browse the respository: http://svn.zope.org/ It seems to have some kind of dns problem? regards Max M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Demonstration subversion repository created
Jim Fulton wrote: Hm, I can get to it from a machine outside of ZC or Zope.org. Is anyone else haveing troubles getting to it? Now it's back up. C:\ping svn.zope.org Pinger cvs.zope.org [12.155.117.30] med 32 byte data: Svar fra 12.155.117.30: byte=32 tid=100ms TTL=53 Svar fra 12.155.117.30: byte=32 tid=100ms TTL=53 Svar fra 12.155.117.30: byte=32 tid=100ms TTL=53 Svar fra 12.155.117.30: byte=32 tid=110ms TTL=53 Ping-statistikker for 12.155.117.30: Pakker: Sendt = 4, modtaget = 4, tabt = 0 (0% tab), Gennemsnitlig tid for rundtur i millisekunder: Mindst = 100ms, størst = 110ms, gennemsnitlig = 102ms regards Max M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Demonstration subversion repository created
Max M wrote: Now it's back up. And it works fine. Text files are in Unix format. As expected. regards Max M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
Joachim Werner wrote: The problem of Zope 2 is - don't kill me for saying that - Plone. Plone and its foundations in CMF have created a large momentum around a terribly horrible code base. Believe me or not, almost everything gets more complicated with CMF/Plone than with plain Zope. Building a framework on top of a broken framework on top of an ageing framework that is hardly documented isn't a very good idea after all. You are somewhat right. It's an absolute bitch to write Products for Plone. But it does shows what is actually needed for Zope to work as intended. In plain Z2 You could write a lot of products, and they would all work fine on your site. But others could not easily download and use/try out the products. What Plone really is a good example of, is the necessity of a practical reference implementation that all content types and tools can be tested up against. It the light house that everything is steering towards. I believe that's the reason for it's succes. It's hard to put a finger on exactly why it has become one. But obviously it has reached critical mass of being good enough for a lot of things. It is also flexible enough to be changed beyond recognition. So both novice users and developers can use it with a lot of succes. A short list of things that I think makes it an end user succes (even advanced developers are end users of others products): The skin Notably main_template.pt plone.css. It is absolute paramount to have a flexible template/styleguide to write up against. It has to be pretty enough to be used in production site out of the box, and easy to change. The CMS' skin apparently wasn't good enough. A site can be layed ot in umpteen ways, but the Plone guys has said this is how we think it should look and function, and put a working example out there. Apparently that has been a very succesfull strategy. There is also several layers at which it can be changed. From stylesheets to programming. So it can look completely different. But ther reference is allways there as a guide. Installation It is easy to install and try out new products, and they all work together, and all use the same skin. So if you install a new product it automatically has the look and feel of your site. Even though the site is heavily skinned. Development process --- Quick and non-bureaucratic. The Plone developers are pretty open for suggestions, and hang out on irc and maillists. There is a shared repository (the collective) for 3'rd party products. Which gives a good sense of comunity There is a lot of stuff that could be different in Plone, but on a basic level they got the right solution for making it possible to do distributed development of products that can still work together. regards Max M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
Dieter Maurer wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote at 2004-4-23 10:57 +0200: But ah well, what is done is done. Too late to change the past now. :-0 There is no need to change the past. You can start using CMFCore profitable in the future :-) I also disliked the cmf concept, until I actually started using it seriously. regards Max M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Nightly Zope 3 Binary Compiles for WIndows
Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: FYI, there's a similar zip file now containing the same kind of thing for a current Zope3 checkout (s/Zope2/Zope3/ in the URL). If this is good enough for people trying to work from CVS on Windows, let me know and I'll update them from time to time, and maybe move them to a saner location. I'd be happy to set up a nightly (or weekly, let me know which would be better) scheduled task (see, it's Widnows, there is no Cron, although Schedules Tasks do have a much nicer UI ;-) ) that checked out he latest HEAD of Zope 3, compiled it and PUT it up to my Zope.org member area I think that a nightly windows build would have a strong psychological effect. I *did* manage to get Z3 compiled under Cygwin. I had downloaded it to my Cygwin home directory with my TortoisCVS (win client). TortoiseCVS converts newlines to Windows newlines. This, together with an apparent bug in PageTemplates or somesuch, gave me an error when I tried to go to a page in Plone. Are we missing a testcase here ;-) It compiled fine, and all, but just couldn't show any pages. When I downoaded it from CVS with the Cygwin command line client, it ran just as it should. I didn't need to do anything special. I am writing an extensive How-To on this in any case. It's nice infor to have out there. But I would rather run it from my normal Python under Windows. It would be easier in the long run I think. I wouldn't mind writing a how-to for how to get that up and running either. I actually like writing technical documentation. Go figure. regards Max M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: Nightly Zope 3 Binary Compiles for WIndows
Tim Peters wrote: [Chris Withers] Saw my name mentioned earlier but not sure whether Tim has solved the problem... Can't say -- I put up .pyds for current Zope 2 and Zope 3 HEAD, but haven't heard whether anyone tried them. I will. Early next week. Something came up friday. I expect that would be helpful, and also helpful for the Zope 2 HEAD, but it's not clear what you would upload. For example, just the .pyds, or the entire codebase, or...? CVS clients are easy enough to get a hold on on Windows. The best solution would be if it was possible to get the Python sources from CVS and the compiled binaries from somewhere else. The problem is the compilation part, for somebody like me that don't normally develop in c. I guess that many Zope developers are like me, but I don't know offcourse. But it would also make it possible for most Zope users, to download and try out this Zope 3 thing, and get a feel for how it develops. regards Max M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!
Chris Withers wrote: Andre Meyer wrote: With respect to CMS, Plone archetypes are too simplistic for complex data/document types and customisation takes too much effort. totally agree... I have the same experience. They keep refactoring how a single small (and relatively uninterresting) subset of problems can be solved. In the meantime all the products depending on the framework are in a perpetual state of broke. Furthermore they keep forking the codebase and giving it new names. I have a few Plone Products, and while it takes a bit to get the skeleton set up correctly, it is never that part of the product development that takes the most time. After the setup I can then enjoy that I don't have to fight the constraints of a framework. regards Max M ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
