[ZWeb] Re: [ZF] foundation site confusion

2006-11-05 Thread Rob Page


On Nov 5, 2006, at 7:53 AM EST, Chris Withers wrote:

Can you now change the nameservers to:

Nameserver 1: ns1.zoneedit.com (207.234.248.200)
Nameserver 2: ns7.zoneedit.com (216.122.7.155)


Done.

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Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope-Annce] ANN: more zope.org wikis moved, zopewiki.org renamed

2006-10-26 Thread Rob Page


On Oct 26, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Chris Withers wrote:


Simon Michael wrote:
all wikis that were under http://zope.org/Wikis have now been  
moved to

http://wiki.zope.org .


Yay! Well done Simon! Everyone owes you beer ;-)


Agreed!

Thanks!

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Re: [ZWeb] Zope Collector policies?

2006-04-12 Thread Rob Page

Hi Clemens and Simon:

On Apr 12, 2006, at 8:41 AM, Simon Michael wrote:

 Does anyone share my point of view the collector overview page  
should state the requirements explicitely?


If they must be so demanding, then yes, very much so.

Also you raised this just where I'd expect to see it.


Yep agreed..

I've not seen these requirements spelled out clearly.  So, at the  
very least, I think it would be a good idea, Clemens, to do so and  
make them available.  :^)


That said, what do you and Simon think of these de facto  
requirements.  I'm no developer but I can see that some might find  
them draconian and some might find them absolutely necessary for scale.


Thoughts?

Regards,
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[Zope] ANNOUNCE: Zope Foundation is incorporated!

2006-03-24 Thread Rob Page

At long last the Zope Foundation is incorporated!

Thanks to everyone who has helped get the Foundation to
this point!!

What's next?

  o Complete ZF organizational paperwork with Software
Freedom Law Center

  o Migrate Committers from the Zope Corp Committer
agreement to the Zope Foundation Committer
Agreement

  o Open the ZF up to membership

  o Conduct elections of BoD members

We are seeking volunteers to help with v0.1 of an
electronic voting application.  We would like to target
The Simplest Thing That Can Possibly Work for this
iteration.  If you would like to contribute to an
extremely important part of the launch of the Zope
Foundation, please reply to the Foundation mailing
list - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Zope] Foundation list reminder

2006-03-08 Thread Rob Page

Hello everyone!

We intend to post news about the Zope Foundation and
some process mechanics in the very near future.  This
note is to remind people of the mailing list [1] for
foundation-related topics.

Thanks.

Regards,
Rob

[1] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/admin/foundation/

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[Zope] Bad foundation mailing list pointer

2006-03-08 Thread Rob Page

Apologies!!

I sent the admin URL.  For your convenience the real
URL (while not hard to figure out :^) is below:

http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation

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[Zope] Final reminder: Zope Foundation IRC, Tue, Dec 20, 1p (US/EST)

2005-12-20 Thread Rob Page

Hello everyone:

Here is a final reminder of the upcoming IRC to discuss
the Zope Foundation documents.  Please join us!
Details follow:

   Who: Zope Community

   What: IRC to discuss Zope Foundation formation
 documents.

   Where:  #zope on irc.freenode.net

   When:  Tue, Dec 20, 100p - 230p (US/EST)

  US/EST is GMT-5.

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[Zope] Zope Foundation IRC Reminder (Tue, Dec 20, 1p US/EST)

2005-12-18 Thread Rob Page

Hello everyone:

I wanted to send a reminder about the upcoming IRC to
discuss the formation of the Zope Foundation.  This
upcoming IRC session is the second of two community
IRCs to collect impressions and opinions before we turn
the remaining formation tasks over to the Software
Freedom Law Center.

Hope to see you there!

   Who: Zope Community

   What: IRC to discuss Zope Foundation formation
 documents.

   Where:  #zope on irc.freenode.net

   When:  Tue, Dec 20, 100p - 230p (US/EST)

  US/EST is GMT-5.

NOTE:  This time reflects a *change* from the
originally scheduled time -- please make sure you've
updated your calendars.

Regards,
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[Zope] Zope Foundation IRC - Reminder #2

2005-12-08 Thread Rob Page

Hello everyone:

I wanted to send a final reminder about the upcoming
IRC to discuss the formation of the Zope Foundation.
Hope to see you there!

  o IRC: We have scheduled the following IRCs to
 discuss the docs in real time:

 Who: Zope Community
 What: IRC to discuss Zope Foundation formation
   documents.
 Where:  #zope on irc.freenode.net

 When:  #1:  Fri, Dec 9, 730a - 9a (US/EST)
#2:  Tue, Dec 20, 730a - 830a (US/EST)

US/EST is GMT-5.

Update:  We've received a suggestion to move the
second IRC to later in the day to ensure that
we provide reasonable participation windows for
some US/West Coast timezones.  This seems
reasonable so with a little discussion on the IRC
tomorrow we'll likely move the second IRC to:

 o Tue, Dec 20, 1p (US/EST) GMT-5.

Regards,
Rob

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[Zope] Zope Foundation IRC - Reminder

2005-12-06 Thread Rob Page

Hello everyone:

I wanted to send a brief reminder about the upcoming
IRC to discuss the formation of the Zope Foundation.
Hope to see you there!

  o IRC: We have scheduled the following IRCs to
 discuss the docs in real time:

 Who:Zope Community
 What:   IRC to discuss Zope Foundation formation
 documents.
 Where:  #zope on irc.freenode.net

 When:  #1:  Fri, Dec 9, 730a - 9a (US/EST)
#2:  Tue, Dec 20, 730a - 830a (US/EST)

US/EST is GMT-5.

Regards,
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[Zope] Zope Foundation draft docs available for review/comment

2005-11-28 Thread Rob Page

Hello everyone:

We have published a draft set of formation documents
for the Zope Foundation.  A zip file of the complete
set of docs is available online at:

o http://tinyurl.com/7crf8

The next steps in the process are:

o Community review, comment, incorporate feedback
  cycle(s) (one or two?)

o Submit final drafts to the Software Freedom Law
  Center (SFLC) for iteration/editing/polishing

o Form the Foundation!  :^)

Please participate in the review and comment period.
You can do so via IRC and/or email.

  o IRC: We have scheduled the following IRCs to
 discuss the docs in real time:

 Who: Zope Community
 What: IRC to discuss Zope Foundation formation
 documents.
 Where:  #zope on irc.freenode.net

 When:  #1:  Fri, Dec 9, 730a - 9a (US/EST)
#2:  Tue, Dec 20, 730a - 830a (US/EST)

US/EST is GMT-5.

  o Email: We've also created a mailing list for
   Foundation-related topics.  This list is
   available at:

   http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation

Please subscribe to this list for email-based
discussions of the foundation.

We would like to thank the formation review committee
for their careful work reading, reviewing and
commenting on the drafts up to this point.

o Takeshi Yamamoto, CEO, Zope Japan KK
o Jan Smith, OzZope
o Jean-Marc Orliaguet, Chalmers University/CPSSkins
o Kit Blake, CEO, Infrae
o Christian Theune, CEO, Gocept and DZUG
o Eric Barroca, Managing Partner, Nuxeo
o Hadar Pedhazur, Chairman, Zope Corp
o Rob Page, CEO, Zope Corp
o Rajesh Setty, Chairman, Cignex
o Dan Ravicher, Legal Director, Software Freedom Law
  Center
o Karen Sandler, Counsel, Software Freedom Law Center

Finally, Kit Blake and Jan Smith have been kind enough
to volunteer to work on a FAQ.  We will work to get
this public in the near future.  Special thanks to them
- I imagine their FAQ work will increase somewhat for
the next couple of weeks.  :^)

Regards,
Rob

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[Zope] Foundation status update

2005-11-11 Thread Rob Page

Hello everyone:

We wanted to send an update on the status of the Zope
Foundation.  We circulated a number of documents to an
advisory committee.

The comments were excellent and precise.  The comments
also identified a number of documents that needed to be
either developed or updated before we circulate the
final set of documents to the community for review.

This process is nearing completion.  We will send the
updated set of docs to the advisory committee, collect
feedback, incorporated that feedback and then circulate
those drafts to the community.

Rough schedule:

  Nov 14: Circulate updated docs to advisory committee
  Nov 18: Feedback from committee collected
  Dec 25:  Circulate doc set to community

Thanks for your patience and attention!

Regards,
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[Zope] Schedule correction

2005-11-11 Thread Rob Page

Hello (again) everyone:

Earlier I wrote:
 This process is nearing completion.  We will send the
 updated set of docs to the advisory committee,
 collect feedback, incorporated that feedback and then
 circulate those drafts to the community.

 Rough schedule:

  Nov 14: Circulate updated docs to advisory committee
  Nov 18: Feedback from committee collected
  Dec 25:  Circulate doc set to community

That last date should be NOVEMBER 25 -- not Dec 25.
My apologies for the confusion.

Regards,
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[Zope] Zope Foundation - formation review committee

2005-09-24 Thread Rob Page

We've been asked to share the membership of the
committee we have helping with the formation documents
for the Zope Foundation.

We're grateful to the following people for sharing
their valuable time to participate:

o Takeshi Yamamoto, CEO, Zope Japan KK
o Jan Smith, OzZope
o Jean-Marc Orliaguet, Chalmers University/CPSSkins
o Kit Blake, CEO, Infrae
o Christian Theune, CEO, Gocept and DZUG
o Eric Barroca, Managing Partner, Nuxeo
o Hadar Pedhazur, Chairman, Zope Corp
o Rob Page, CEO, Zope Corp
o Rajesh Setty, Chairman, Cignex
o Dan Ravicher, Legal Director, Software Freedom law Cnter

Regards,
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[Zope-Annce] More TM ideas

2005-07-20 Thread Rob Page

Following up to my note from yesterday.

ZEA *is* the official registrant (but not legitimate
owner) of the Cirlce-Z-Zope (CZZ) mark in many
countries in the Madrid Protocol.  You can search the
WIPO database for Zope and find it.

Zope Corporation is the official registrant of the word
Zope in many countries in the Madrid Protocol and our
registration predates the ZEAs.  Since the ZEA
registration is based on the word Zope we believe that
an official trademark opposition will be successful.

We are also only willing to pay the fees that Zope
Corporation would otherwise have had to pay to register
the marks itself.  This offer was made in writing last
Friday.

The subtle but important point is that ZEA seems to be
willing to transfer the marks to the Zope Foundation
not Zope Corporation.  This seems to be the essence of
the difference in our position.  If this is inaccurate
-- i.e., ZEA is willing to transfer the marks to ZC
with no strings attached then we can chalk this up to
some incredible communication issue and can certainly
move forward!

It seems that the prospect of Zope Corporation's unfair
(and unprecedented) management of the marks is the real
issue.

So that our position and policy are clear:

  ***

  We will not use (nor allow our successors or assigns)
  to use the Zope trademarks in non-competitive ways.

  ***

The challenge is to figure out how to get this in
place.

One idea might be to make the BoD of the Zope
Foundation the arbiter of any revocation action ZC
might take.  This would be a contractual relationship
between ZC (and its successors and assigns) and the ZF.
If ZC felt that a given ZC-licensed use of the marks
had become inappropriate we would move to revoke the
trademark license.  If the license holder was
unsatisfied with the revocation they would appeal to
the Zope Foundation which, on vote of a supermajority
of the BoD could overrule ZC's revocation action.

It is our heartfelt sense that Zope Corporation is more
likely to defend (within guidelines and process) the
marks than a volunteer-led Foundation.  We have heard
comments that suggest that the Foundation should not be
in the business of enforcement.  Enforcement is an
active responsibility.  Perhaps once (and while) ZF has
full-time staff to pursue Foundation business
(including TM matters) the Foundation would be the
first stop for tm issues.

It has been reported that ZEA's original registration
of the marks was defensive and done in an effort to
preclude registrations from being made by unfriendly
parties.  We find it simply surprising that the first
mention of their registrations to us was 18 months (!)
after the fact.

ZEA does not represent the entire Zope community in
Europe (nor do they claim to) and certainly don't
represent the global Zope community.  In fact, we
should all recognize that the ZEA competes with non-ZEA
companies on proposals.  That's fine, expected and
natural.  However, any action on ZEA's part that was
made on behalf of the community is inappropriate.

ZC does not claim to represent the whole Zope Community
either.  We are asserting our ownership (and, we think)
aggressive desire to manage the marks and brand in a
vendor-neutral way.

With respect to ZEA's ownership of the Plone trademark
- I am told by two people that ZEA helped register the
Plone mark as a service to the Plone Foundation and
that it has been or is in the process of being
transferred. Presuming this is true I stand corrected.
Even this morning the WIPO database advertises ZEA as
the registrant of record for the mark.

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[Zope] More TM ideas

2005-07-20 Thread Rob Page

Following up to my note from yesterday.

ZEA *is* the official registrant (but not legitimate
owner) of the Cirlce-Z-Zope (CZZ) mark in many
countries in the Madrid Protocol.  You can search the
WIPO database for Zope and find it.

Zope Corporation is the official registrant of the word
Zope in many countries in the Madrid Protocol and our
registration predates the ZEAs.  Since the ZEA
registration is based on the word Zope we believe that
an official trademark opposition will be successful.

We are also only willing to pay the fees that Zope
Corporation would otherwise have had to pay to register
the marks itself.  This offer was made in writing last
Friday.

The subtle but important point is that ZEA seems to be
willing to transfer the marks to the Zope Foundation
not Zope Corporation.  This seems to be the essence of
the difference in our position.  If this is inaccurate
-- i.e., ZEA is willing to transfer the marks to ZC
with no strings attached then we can chalk this up to
some incredible communication issue and can certainly
move forward!

It seems that the prospect of Zope Corporation's unfair
(and unprecedented) management of the marks is the real
issue.

So that our position and policy are clear:

  ***

  We will not use (nor allow our successors or assigns)
  to use the Zope trademarks in non-competitive ways.

  ***

The challenge is to figure out how to get this in
place.

One idea might be to make the BoD of the Zope
Foundation the arbiter of any revocation action ZC
might take.  This would be a contractual relationship
between ZC (and its successors and assigns) and the ZF.
If ZC felt that a given ZC-licensed use of the marks
had become inappropriate we would move to revoke the
trademark license.  If the license holder was
unsatisfied with the revocation they would appeal to
the Zope Foundation which, on vote of a supermajority
of the BoD could overrule ZC's revocation action.

It is our heartfelt sense that Zope Corporation is more
likely to defend (within guidelines and process) the
marks than a volunteer-led Foundation.  We have heard
comments that suggest that the Foundation should not be
in the business of enforcement.  Enforcement is an
active responsibility.  Perhaps once (and while) ZF has
full-time staff to pursue Foundation business
(including TM matters) the Foundation would be the
first stop for tm issues.

It has been reported that ZEA's original registration
of the marks was defensive and done in an effort to
preclude registrations from being made by unfriendly
parties.  We find it simply surprising that the first
mention of their registrations to us was 18 months (!)
after the fact.

ZEA does not represent the entire Zope community in
Europe (nor do they claim to) and certainly don't
represent the global Zope community.  In fact, we
should all recognize that the ZEA competes with non-ZEA
companies on proposals.  That's fine, expected and
natural.  However, any action on ZEA's part that was
made on behalf of the community is inappropriate.

ZC does not claim to represent the whole Zope Community
either.  We are asserting our ownership (and, we think)
aggressive desire to manage the marks and brand in a
vendor-neutral way.

With respect to ZEA's ownership of the Plone trademark
- I am told by two people that ZEA helped register the
Plone mark as a service to the Plone Foundation and
that it has been or is in the process of being
transferred. Presuming this is true I stand corrected.
Even this morning the WIPO database advertises ZEA as
the registrant of record for the mark.

Regards,
Rob

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[Zope] Zope Foundation Update

2005-07-19 Thread Rob Page

Foundation Update


This note updates progress on forming of the Zope
Foundation. To remain transparent as possible, we are
communicating in as timely a manner as possible.

First, we have contacted the Software Freedom Law
Center (SFLC) which specializes in the formation and
maintenance of the legal structures that support open
source software. From our first conference call with
our primary POC there (who also helped with the Plone
Foundation), we took away some homework items
including:

   (1) draft trademark license agreement between Zope
   Corporation and the Zope Foundation

   (2) draft/initial set of ByLaws and related formation
   documents that capture the spirit of what we've
   been discussing for a while now (i.e., Eclipse
   Foundation-inspired membership and Apache
   Software Foundation-inspired operations).

We have made progress on (2) but stopped when we
discovered a trademark violation that needs to be
addressed before Zope Corporation can properly license
the trademarks to the Zope Foundation.

During my stay at EuroPython I learned that eighteen
months ago (and without Zope Corporation's knowledge or
consent) Zope Europe Association (ZEA) registered a
trademark consisting of the Cirlce-Z (the stylized Z
surrounded by a circle) followed by the word ZOPE
(hereinafter Circle-Z-Zope).  The mark they
registered is identical to the corporate logo used by
Zope Corporation.

In the three weeks since learning of ZEA's illegitimate
registration of our marks we have tried diligently (but
unsuccessfully) to get ZEA to unconditionally transfer
the rights of the registration.

We have offered to reimburse the registration fees paid
by the ZEA to the WIPO (World Intellectual Property
Organization) in order to facilitate the transfer. We
have further offered to preserve their license to use
the Zope mark in the conduct of their business as an
association of Zope companies.

ZEA's registration represents an abuse of registration
and management of international trademarks and the
misappropriation of a mark that is clearly the property
of Zope Corporation.  We are sorely disappointed that
ZEA is unwilling to transfer the marks quickly and
quietly so that we can proceed swiftly toward the
formation of the Zope Foundation.

We know that the establishment of a fair trademark
license for the entire Zope community is an _essential_
component of the Zope Foundation. It is possible that
we will come to a conclusion with the ZEA prior to the
conclusion of a trademark dispute process.

However, as a result (and unfortunately), until this
matter is resolved using the established
legal/trademark management processes, we are not able
to proceed with the Zope Foundation. We will keep the
community updated as milestones are reached, so that
you know what the new target dates are for the
formation of the Foundation at the same time that we
do.

We recognize that there are lingering questions about
the trademark and our management thereof.  We have
captured our position on these marks in an open letter
to the Zope Community.  You can find this letter at:

o http://www.zope.com/about_us/legal/ 
ZopeCorpTrademarkManagement_OpenLetter.html


As an aside, the ZEA has also registered the Plone logo
as a trademark.  It is not our business, but came as a
surprise to us, that the Plone Foundation is not the
owner of the Plone trademark.

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[Zope] Zope Foundation ideas

2005-06-20 Thread Rob Page

In preparation for tomorrow's IRC session (reminder/details
below) we have prepared some initial ideas about the Zope
Foundation.  These are available online at:

o http://tinyurl.com/74pd3

Note -- the document is written with phrases like the Foundation
will, Contributors shall, etc.  This is NOT to be interpreted
as though these terms/conditions are predetermined.  It is
written to close in on specific language that avoids
misinterpretation.

Zope Foundation IRC Session
---

IRC Session Summary:

  - Who:  Zope Corp and Zope Community
  - What: IRC session to discuss the Zope Foundation
  - When: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10a - 12p (US EDT)
  - Where: irc.freenode.net #zope

Please send specific questions to:

  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hope to see you there.

Regards,
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[Zope-Annce] Zope Corp and Z3ECM

2005-06-14 Thread Rob Page

Zope Corporation is delighted to announce its active
participation in the Zope 3 Enterprise Content
Management project recently organized by Nuxeo and
joined by a number of community members.

It's clear that the Zope Community will benefit from a
consolidation of common patterns and their
implementations in order to grow Zope's market share
and we are excited to participate in this effort.

In conjunction with the Zope Foundation we expect the
Z3ECM project to set the example for global
collaboration on sophisticated content management
functionality and its application.  We are looking
forward to launching the Foundation with community
involvement so that the Z3ECM project can safely share
in the Zope brand.

We would like to sincerely thank all of the pioneers
who planted the seeds for this effort at the recent
sprints (Castle, Paris, etc.).  We know from
first-hand, large-scale commercial experience that Zope
3 will excel at supporting this effort.

Zope Corporation has been making substantial
investments in Zope 3 evolution and associated add-on
componentry for the last year.

An example of this investment is the XML Process
Definition Language (XPDL) support that is now
available in Zope 3.  XPDL support is the first in a
series of substantial, customer-inspired contributions
that Zope Corporation will be making to the ZECMP over
the coming months.

Together with Nuxeo's significant ongoing investment in
CPS (the Zope 3 version of which will also be
contributed to the Z3ECM) we expect the platform will
quickly evolve to be the world-leading content
management platform.

We also propose a name change to the project from Z3ECM
to Zope Enterprise Content Management Platform (ZECMP).
This will allow the project to disassociate from Zope 3
(it seems likely that there will be 2.8/5 ports of
many/most capabilities).  It also makes for a natural
transition to the Zope Foundation when that's available
in the early Fall.

Thanks again to everyone who has helped get Zope 3 and
these ideas to this exciting point!

Regards,
Rob

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Rob PageV: 540.361.1710
Zope CorporationF: 703.995.0412

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[Zope] ANNOUNCE: Zope Foundation

2005-06-14 Thread Rob Page

Zope Corporation has begun the process of creating a
Zope Foundation.  The Zope Foundation will provide a
mechanism for managing the various Zope projects (e.g.,
Zope 2, the Zope CMF, Zope 3, and other Zope community
projects) in a vendor neutral way.

The Foundation will have global copyrights over the Zope
source code (to include Zope 2, Zope 3, and any other
projects managed by the Foundation) as well as a
limited, world-wide, non-exclusive, irrevocable,
perpetual license to use the Zope trademarks (i.e.,
Zope and the Circle Z) to brand its software
releases.

In addition, zope.org will be operated and maintained
by the Foundation.

The Foundation's governance mechanisms are being
developed by taking the most appropriate ideas from
other leading open source projects.  These mechanisms
are being developed and legally reviewed.

We will launch the Foundation by or before the end of
October 2005.

We have scheduled an IRC session to answer questions
from the community about the Foundation.

IRC Session Summary:

  - Who:  Zope Corp and Zope Community
  - What: IRC session to discuss the Zope Foundation
  - When: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10a - 12p (US EDT)
  - Where: irc.freenode.net #zope

Please send specific questions to:

  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

We hope to see you there!

Regards,
Rob

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Zope CorporationF: 703.995.0412

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[Zope] Zope Corp and Z3ECM

2005-06-14 Thread Rob Page

Zope Corporation is delighted to announce its active
participation in the Zope 3 Enterprise Content
Management project recently organized by Nuxeo and
joined by a number of community members.

It's clear that the Zope Community will benefit from a
consolidation of common patterns and their
implementations in order to grow Zope's market share
and we are excited to participate in this effort.

In conjunction with the Zope Foundation we expect the
Z3ECM project to set the example for global
collaboration on sophisticated content management
functionality and its application.  We are looking
forward to launching the Foundation with community
involvement so that the Z3ECM project can safely share
in the Zope brand.

We would like to sincerely thank all of the pioneers
who planted the seeds for this effort at the recent
sprints (Castle, Paris, etc.).  We know from
first-hand, large-scale commercial experience that Zope
3 will excel at supporting this effort.

Zope Corporation has been making substantial
investments in Zope 3 evolution and associated add-on
componentry for the last year.

An example of this investment is the XML Process
Definition Language (XPDL) support that is now
available in Zope 3.  XPDL support is the first in a
series of substantial, customer-inspired contributions
that Zope Corporation will be making to the ZECMP over
the coming months.

Together with Nuxeo's significant ongoing investment in
CPS (the Zope 3 version of which will also be
contributed to the Z3ECM) we expect the platform will
quickly evolve to be the world-leading content
management platform.

We also propose a name change to the project from Z3ECM
to Zope Enterprise Content Management Platform (ZECMP).
This will allow the project to disassociate from Zope 3
(it seems likely that there will be 2.8/5 ports of
many/most capabilities).  It also makes for a natural
transition to the Zope Foundation when that's available
in the early Fall.

Thanks again to everyone who has helped get Zope 3 and
these ideas to this exciting point!

Regards,
Rob

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Zope CorporationF: 703.995.0412

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