Re: [Zope] Howto engineer a scientific paper system
Thanks again, I like lyx now. Using latex with lyx on top is very comfortable. I found a pyhton based bibliographic database handler named pybliographer (http://www.gnome.org/pybliographer). It has a GUI and inserts citation directly into lyx. (The Latex2HTML converter - on a first try - seems to ignore the inserted BibTex reference, though.) Christian Working with Lyx is actually really nice, I appreciate how to get (Referring to Pavlos Christoforou on Don, 29 Jun 2000) On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the comments and links for latex and docbook. Going the latex path seems to me worthwhile - but on another day ;-) , I have already done some setup in zope that I would like to build on. What I did not find about LaTeX was a screenshot (isn't it Having used latex for a long time I would like to point out that if you are planing to to write many papers for conferences/publications Latex has some very helpful tools. For one many scientific journals provide Latex style files so you don't need to worry about formating. Also (and IMO the most important) are the pain in the ... bib contents. There are very nice bib databases for Latex and latex (or bibtex) can produce bibliography contents in the formats required by most journals. Check also Lynx which is a minimal (last i checked) wysiwig environment for Latex. Pavlos ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Howto engineer a scientific paper system
Thank you for the comments and links for latex and docbook. Going the latex path seems to me worthwhile - but on another day ;-) , I have already done some setup in zope that I would like to build on. What I did not find about LaTeX was a screenshot (isn't it a wysiwg enviroment on top of TeX marked-up text) and a content link to zope - this might be done, however, through the DocBook DTD and the XML stuff in zope. Which leads me to the later suggestion, I have tried out DocBook product, rendering is very slow on my computer. And again it is too big of a new concept for me now. I have looked into the YihawDirectory product a little deeper now, it fits very well into my idea to connect the content with the references closely. A lot of my code methods I produced in order to tweak a good reference handling is not needed any more, what is left are a few headers and footers implemented as methods, for design and navigation purposes, and folders having chapter properties and containing documents for holding content. I still want to look into XML and DocBook, though, xml could be easier to manage as the work grows. On first glance, for xml I found an interesting (but somehow abandoned) software named conglomerate http//www.conglomerate.org/, another is Xeena of IBM. The GUI of both (especially the former) seem to have nice XML editing capabilities. Christian ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Howto engineer a scientific paper system
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: build on. What I did not find about LaTeX was a screenshot (isn't it a wysiwg enviroment on top of TeX marked-up text) and a content link No. LaTeX is, simply phrased, a collection of macros and templates for the TeX system. They include a lot of professional typesetting and design know-how which is applied dynamically to the document, so the author of the paper can concentrate on the content, rather than on the layout. You can still give explicit layout commands, if you know what you're doing. (Most people imho don't.) LyX is a document processor for Unix and Win32 building on the LaTeX/TeX engine which uses a wysiwym approach. It's worth one or two looks: http://www.lyx.org/about/ Yes, there are screenshots =:- XML stuff in zope. Which leads me to the later suggestion, I have tried out DocBook product, rendering is very slow on my computer. You could use any of the tools on http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/tools/index.html and then import the exported HTML and PDF documents to your Zope installations to avoid the speed penalty. Cheers, Nils -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Howto engineer a scientific paper system
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the comments and links for latex and docbook. Going the latex path seems to me worthwhile - but on another day ;-) , I have already done some setup in zope that I would like to build on. What I did not find about LaTeX was a screenshot (isn't it Having used latex for a long time I would like to point out that if you are planing to to write many papers for conferences/publications Latex has some very helpful tools. For one many scientific journals provide Latex style files so you don't need to worry about formating. Also (and IMO the most important) are the pain in the ... bib contents. There are very nice bib databases for Latex and latex (or bibtex) can produce bibliography contents in the formats required by most journals. Check also Lynx which is a minimal (last i checked) wysiwig environment for Latex. Pavlos ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Howto engineer a scientific paper system
Pavlos Christoforou wrote: contents in the formats required by most journals. Check also Lynx which Lynx is text-only web browser with a code open for lots of potential security issues. [A quick look to my TV: Netherlands vs. Italy still 0-0, okay, so I can write a bit more...] is a minimal (last i checked) wysiwig environment for Latex. What you're looking for is called LyX: http://www.lyx.org It's not really a WYSIWYG but a self described "what you see is what you mean" editor. Cheers, Nils -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Howto engineer a scientific paper system
XML stuff in zope. Which leads me to the later suggestion, I have tried out DocBook product, rendering is very slow on my computer. And again it is too big of a new concept for me now. Yeah, I find rendering slow on my workstation too. (And mine is reasonably fast - 450mhz). DocBook does seem to take a while to get your head around the whole thing, I'm still trying to grok it myself, however it does one thing that I am really into, that is seperation of content from presentation (note, LaTeX also does this to an extent). I find it really handy to be able to give people documentation to people in the most appropriate format, (HTML for web, Postscript for print, and RTF for PHBs who use word ;). The time to compile (for want of a better term) the DocBook into a presentation format isn't too much of a problem IMHO, since once you become proficient in its use yuo won't need to compile after each change just to see what it looks like. Cheers, Benno ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Howto engineer a scientific paper system
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short, I would like to have Zope assist me in producing a scientific paper. Why do you want to use Zope for this? What's the expected advantage against using e.g. LaTeX? Cheers, Nils -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Howto engineer a scientific paper system
Why do you want to use Zope for this? What's the expected advantage against using e.g. LaTeX? Cheers, Nils -- Better integration into the Web, resources should be accessible on the fly. I would like to have the sources of my ideas packed close together with the actual content I am producing, delving into a particular subject should then be straight forward. However, I have never used LaTeX. What about using YiHaW for that? There are classes for different types of resources available. And the Pointers might be used to include references into a paragraph. Christian ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Howto engineer a scientific paper system
(...why) ...and, of'course, teamworking. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) Why do you want to use Zope for this? What's the expected advantage against using e.g. LaTeX? ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Howto engineer a scientific paper system
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better integration into the Web, resources should be accessible on the fly. I would like to have the sources of my ideas packed close You can have this with LaTeX _and_ an excellent quality of the printed document. together with the actual content I am producing, delving into a particular subject should then be straight forward. However, I have never used LaTeX. You should change this :-) A few URLs to get you started: TeX User's Group http://www.tug.org/ A Guide to LaTeX: Third Edition http://cseng.aw.com/bookdetail.qry?ISBN=0-201-39825-7 The LaTeX Web Companion: Integrating TeX, HTML, and XML http://cseng.aw.com/bookdetail.qry?ISBN=0-201-43311-7ptype=0 Cheers, Nils -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Howto engineer a scientific paper system
On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How to engineer a scientific paper system Are there products out for this, should we produce one? -- In short, I would like to have Zope assist me in producing a scientific paper. So how can I produce pointers from within the text to objects holding more information about these pointers, i.e. a referene within a paragraph is linked to the bibliography. -- My setup so far is a folder structure, with DTML Documents for content that have Properties holding the references in token (semi-colon) separeted lines. Methods are used to parse the folder (having chapter properties) and DTML Documents in order to get a table of content structure and html-styled reference list respectively. You might want to check out DocBook, (sorry don't have a URL handy). DocBook is an SGML DTD which defines a lot tags used for making books and articles. These might be applicable to scientific papers. Once you write up the DocBook you can then convert it HTML, rtf, TeX (and then to postscript). Or you could make up any other stylesheets to convert it to other formats. (I'm stil new to this so my exact terminology might be a bit off ;). There is also XML DocBook DTD for those who want to be buzzword compliant ;) Then again I've used plain old LaTeX for writing up university reports and this is also quite a nice markup language as well. Anyway this might be something for you to look at, you could quite easily intergrate this into Zope (ie: have a docbook class, which lets you edit the document and then methods to convert to other formats or something similar). Anyway, just my 2c. Benno ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
