Re: [Zope] License
Bill Anderson wrote: Yeah, that typo really caught me a good laugh too. I should thank Chris for it. :) Just stick it on the Zope Quotes board, can't remember the URL though :-S Jeez, what have I done, I wholeheartedly apologise for even mentioning licenses. Any heard of the web app server called Zope? I hear it's quite good :-) cheers, Chris PS: GPL sux :P (stir stir) PPS: Bill: Your [EMAIL PROTECTED] address is broken :-( ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] License
Olaf Zanger wrote: is the product planned to ship under GPL or an corresponding licence? Please don't shit it under GPL, it makes it much less useful :-S A variant of the Zope License would be much mroe friendly :-) cheers, Chris ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] License
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote: Olaf Zanger wrote: is the product planned to ship under GPL or an corresponding licence? Please don't shit it under GPL, it makes it much less useful :-S A variant of the Zope License would be much mroe friendly :-) OH, NO, PLEASE NOT AGAIN :( NONE OF THESE LICENSE WARS, PLE-E-E-SE! Do allow people to choose their licenses freely! Oleg. Oleg Broytmann http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] License
+---[ Oleg Broytmann ]-- | On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote: | Olaf Zanger wrote: | | is the product planned to ship under GPL or an corresponding licence? | | Please don't shit it under GPL, it makes it much less useful :-S | A variant of the Zope License would be much mroe friendly :-) | |OH, NO, PLEASE NOT AGAIN :( NONE OF THESE LICENSE WARS, PLE-E-E-SE! Do | allow people to choose their licenses freely! Geez Oleg, all he did was make a request... chill on the caps.. -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew Milton The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 | Carpe Daemon PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068|[EMAIL PROTECTED]| ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] License
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote:
| is the product planned to ship under GPL or an corresponding licence?
|
| Please don't shit it under GPL, it makes it much less useful :-S
| A variant of the Zope License would be much mroe friendly :-)
|
|OH, NO, PLEASE NOT AGAIN :( NONE OF THESE LICENSE WARS, PLE-E-E-SE! Do
| allow people to choose their licenses freely!
Geez Oleg, all he did was make a request... chill on the caps..
Those requests with these answers ("Please don't shit it under GPL")
produce flamewars far too easily :(
Oleg.
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Re: [Zope] License
On Monday 29 January 2001 01:41, Chris Withers wrote: Olaf Zanger wrote: is the product planned to ship under GPL or an corresponding licence? Please don't shit it under GPL, it makes it much less useful :-S A variant of the Zope License would be much mroe friendly :-) cheers, Chris just what i needed to start the week off right, a flamewar. :( please allow people to choose their licenses freely. knocking on the gpl, is ignoring the reason why its there, to allow people to give their work freely to the community without concern of it being subverted. k ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] License
Chris Withers wrote: Please don't shit it under GPL, it makes it much less useful :-S *embarrassed laughs* Man, what a typo... I actually meant ship, beleive it or not. And the reason I asked is 'cos, as I understand it, if I use a GPL-licensed product in a product/solution I provide, then I have to do that for free and open source it too, which often isn't an option :-( Cheers, Chris (the typo king ;-) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] License
I really agree, do NOT change the license terms. Fabrice FRANK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Chef de projet Extranet BOPACK T.E.A Z.A La Claire Voie 76520 Franqueville Tl. 02 32 86 52 69 Fax. 02 32 86 52 51 -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]De la part de ender Envoy : lundi 29 janvier 2001 06:38 : Chris Withers; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc : [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Zope Mailinglist Objet : Re: [Zope] License On Monday 29 January 2001 01:41, Chris Withers wrote: Olaf Zanger wrote: is the product planned to ship under GPL or an corresponding licence? Please don't shit it under GPL, it makes it much less useful :-S A variant of the Zope License would be much mroe friendly :-) cheers, Chris just what i needed to start the week off right, a flamewar. :( please allow people to choose their licenses freely. knocking on the gpl, is ignoring the reason why its there, to allow people to give their work freely to the community without concern of it being subverted. k ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] License
On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 12:58:35PM +, Chris Withers wrote: And the reason I asked is 'cos, as I understand it, if I use a GPL-licensed product in a product/solution I provide, then I have to do that for free and open source it too, which often isn't an option :-( Nope, that's wrong. If you extend a GPL-licensed product by your own work, and if you want to distribute this to somebody else, then you have to give this "somebody" the right to re-distribute the complete product (including your own work) under the terms of the GPL. Therefore it's no problem to sell such a product... The important thing is, though, that your customer could give away the result to everybody else for free (and could do everything else with it that the GPL allows). And in fact, yes, you'll have to make available the sources of your work, too, for your customer--if he demands to see them. So it's perfectly fine to use GPL software in a consulting work, and let the customer pay for it--if you give him all the other rights granted in the GPL. A very crucial point is the exact definition of "extending a GPL-licensed product" (that's my own words for "derived work"). According to the FSF, typical things of "deriving a work" from a GPL-licensed product are probably modifying or extending the code, reusing portions of the code, but also linking with it (be it statically or shared). In the field of interpreted languages, it gets even more complicated. It's completely clear on the other hand, that a mere aggregetion of the product (e.g. distribution GNU emacs on a CD with proprietary software) is no problem, and it's also no problem to use GNU tools to produce proprietary output (e.g. using GCC to compile a proprietary program). The GPL definitely is not contra selling software or services (one could even argue that it's the perfect solution for specialized consulting products, since it gives the customer a security that he'll be able to buy support for a product even if the original author has lost interest). Have a look at www.gnu.org, e.g. "Selling Free Software" by RMS (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html) is especially interesting. Gregor ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] License
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote: And the reason I asked is 'cos, as I understand it, if I use a GPL-licensed product in a product/solution I provide, then I have to do that for free and open source it too, which often isn't an option :-( Of course you DON'T have to do your work for free !!! How could someone make a living. The GPL says clearly that you are perfectly allowed to sell your work. However if your soft is GPLed or uses some GPLed code then you must distribute (sell) your code along with all its sources, or the sources should be made available for all at a minimal fee covering the reproduction costs (a CDR probably) The point is you should sell your service instead of your code. hoping this will help your better undersstand what the GPL is all about. bye, Jerome Alet ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] License
EVERYTHING SNIPED! PLEASE allow ME to choose the license freely and PLEASE STOP the flamewar on this thread! You can find tons of these licence discussions not only on this list and there is nothing new to say. -- Andreas Heckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNIX is like a wigwam ...no gates ...no windows and an apache inside ;-) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Ithy Trigger Fingers (was Re: [Zope] License)
Andreas Heckel wrote: EVERYTHING SNIPED! PLEASE allow ME to choose the license freely and PLEASE STOP the flamewar on this thread! You can find tons of these licence discussions not only on this list and there is nothing new to say. Come on people, this is not a flme war. Nobody is calling anyone names, nobody is saying one is better than another, nobody other than those crying 'flame war' is being less than civil. There is nothing wrong with _discussion_ and requests, they do not constitute a flame war. If someone comes on and says Zope can't do a certain thing, and someone corrects them, is that a flame war too? After all, what has happened so far has been nothing more than correcting a stated misconception. BTW, this also applies to some other cries about 'another flame war' in another thread. Bill Anderson ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] License
Fabrice FRANK wrote: I really agree, do NOT change the license terms. Ummm .. the software in questions has _no_ license terms yet. Bill ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Ithy Trigger Fingers (was Re: [Zope] License)
I believe the Horse of Licenses was beaten to death in a recent thread some month(s), if not weeks, ago. May It Rest in Peace. This may be the Second Coming of It, but, with all due respect, License Horses and discussions of Other License's Merits and Flaws are off-topic for this list; I think most^H^H^H^H many subscribers will agree on this. Imagine the consequences of having the spooky ghost of the License Horse roaming about... *B* Cheers, /dario - asbestos suit is: on - Dario Lopez-Kästen Systems Developer Chalmers Univ. of Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ will yield no hitsIT Systems Services ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Ithy Trigger Fingers (was Re: [Zope] License)
Dario Lopez-Ksten wrote: I believe the Horse of Licenses was beaten to death in a recent thread some month(s), if not weeks, ago. May It Rest in Peace. This may be the Second Coming of It, but, with all due respect, License Horses and discussions of Other License's Merits and Flaws are off-topic for this list; I think most^H^H^H^H many subscribers will agree on this. Be that as it may, it still does not constitute a flame-war. Imagine the consequences of having the spooky ghost of the License Horse roaming about... *B* Or worse, the fear of saying something in disagreement, for fear of being labelled a flame war starter. Bill ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] License
Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote: +---[ Bill Anderson ]-- | Fabrice FRANK wrote: | |I really agree, do NOT change the license terms. | | | | Ummm .. the software in questions has _no_ license terms yet. You stifling the right of the individual to license-free software Bill? huh? huh? Well are ya? :-) Who me? ;^)= nah, never. If anyhting saying not to change the 'license' would be. :-) I've been laughing through this whole thread from Chris's typo to the rest of the people who didn't bother to read the rest of the thread to discover that a license choice hasn't been made... Yeah, that typo really caught me a good laugh too. I should thank Chris for it. :) Bill ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
