Sascha Welter wrote:
If the new stuff is so great and easy to use,
it should also be easy to put some documentation of it in
Hear, hear. +1 insightful.
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Jim Fulton wrote:
I wish they were gone, but they are still there.
Someday, I'd like to se a TALES-based DTML, but I doubt
I'll ever have time to do it.
You know that means you want to deprecate it really ;-)
I still maintaining ofrcing users to learn two templating languages, one
of which is one
Dieter Maurer wrote:
Lennart Regebro wrote at 2005-4-5 11:48 +0200:
On the Paris sprint, one thing that was noted was how ironic it was
that the release of 2.8, which includes support for the new
recommended development paradigm, was held up becuase we neeeded to
support an old non-recommended
Lennart Regebro wrote:
On the Paris sprint, one thing that was noted was how ironic it was
that the release of 2.8, which includes support for the new
recommended development paradigm, was held up becuase we neeeded to
support an old non-recommended one. :-)
It boils down to backward
Andreas Jung wrote:
--On Dienstag, 5. April 2005 16:38 Uhr -0400 Jake [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
And that is probably the best arguement for keeping them around longer.
We should get to the point: if some people depend on ZClasses then they
should
take over some responsibility in maintaining
Ausum Studio wrote:
...
As for ZC, IMHO the issue should be treated as a matter of understanding
the market rather than achieving a milestone. You created stuff that works
in some way or another that people embraced. You also changed your company
name to the name of the product of yours that
Jonathan Cyr wrote:
Yoohoo,
ZClasses are not an expert technology to use, they are an introduction
to Zope... Just because I use a thing, doesn't mean I can
support/maintain a thing.
Exactly. I want you to use Zope even if you aren't in a position to
maintain
it yourself.
I can read the
Jim Fulton said:
(There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.)
That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early).
Jake
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Jake wrote:
Jim Fulton said:
(There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.)
That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early).
I will be selling black flags for the mourning of a missed opportunity...
Chris
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Jim Fulton wrote:
I've gotten a lot of grief because of the effort I've been putting into
getting them to work with Zope 2.8 and the effect that that has had
on the 2.8 schedule. Many active Zope developers are (understandbly)
dismissive of ZClasses, but I think we can't ignore the many people
Chris Withers wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
I think ZPT and python scripts are much more useful tools for newbies
who will often enter with a scripting rather than OO frame of mind.
Wouldn't that be ZPT and adapters ;-)
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Hi Chris,
Chris Withers wrote:
(There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.)
That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early).
I will be selling black flags for the mourning of a missed opportunity...
With or without a circled A?
;-)
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PhilK
Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jake wrote:
Jim Fulton said:
(There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.)
That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early).
I will be selling black flags for the mourning of a missed opportunity...
Florent Guillaume wrote:
Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jake wrote:
Jim Fulton said:
(There are no plans to deprecate DTML. It is even supported in Zope 3.)
That is the best news I have heard all day (although, it is early).
I will be selling black flags for the mourning of a missed
Chris Withers wrote at 2005-4-7 13:22 +0100:
...
but the
community as a whole recommends against them, which seems to be the
consensus here.
A funny definition of consensus...
It may be the majority opinion but it definitely is not consensus...
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Dieter
Jim Fulton wrote at 2005-4-7 05:50 -0400:
Dieter Maurer wrote:
...
ZClasses feature prominently in the Zope book.
That should probably be fixed.
Seems they are more recommended than the new development paradigm (which
does not yet feature at all in the Zope book).
The new developement
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Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
On Apr 6, 2005, at 6:59, Andreas Jung wrote:
--On Dienstag, 5. April 2005 16:38 Uhr -0400 Jake [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
And that is probably the best arguement for keeping them around longer.
We should get to the
Tres Seaver wrote at 2005-4-6 09:47 -0400:
...
Perhaps once Jim's current work lands, that might be possible. As it
is, most of the work to make ZClasses function in Zope 2.8 has been at
the ZODB level (I think); I doubt that anyone (except Dieter!) plans to
dive from the frying pan of ZClass
Jim Fulton wrote:
We could choose to deprecate ZClasses. If we deprecated them in
Zope 2.8, they would still work in Zope 2.8 and Zope 2.9, but
their support would be removed in Zope 2.10. Would anyone be upset
if this happened?
They are evil, they are bad. They lead newcommers down a blind
Jake wrote:
My vote is to keep them around for 2.8 and 2.9 but say goodbye after that.
Again.. it won't be easy for us, but who said progress ever was.
+1 for dropping ZClasses as soon as possible (IMHO 2.10 is a good
target), but before that, some comment in REALLY BIG LETTERS should be
made in
FYI, there's a kind of overview of possible ZClass alternatives at
http://zopewiki.org/HowToAddCustomContentTypes .
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