Re: [Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!

2005-12-28 Thread Bakhtiar A Hamid
On 12/27/05, Michael Haubenwallner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrew Sawyers wrote: On Sun, 2005-12-25 at 10:03 +0800, Bakhtiar A Hamid wrote:The 'closed group' dissolved a while ago.that's sad(?)anything came out of the group?i think we need to do
to zope.org what we did to zope2.ignore and build.leave it asold.zope.org and link from the new site.
 That was the plan.I'd like to revive the plan.:)Volunteers? AndrewCount me inMichael

me three. i;ll try and find time. and also find where i can help

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Re: [Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!

2005-12-27 Thread Andrew Sawyers

 
 
 what's needed to spruce up the howtos, or zope.org? iirc, there was a
 closed group with that mission setup some time back
 
 
 
It wasn't really 'closed' - just 'well defined'.  It fell apart, due to
both of the committed developers backing out due to commitments they
couldn't get around.  I am still highly interested in helping lead this
and actually doing work if we had 1 or 2 others who were committed.  We
also already have a designer put in some time to assist with a nicer
look and feel who is still willing to work on this.  The goal was not to
just 'spruce' things up, but rather change the focus of the site from
everything to just Zope the software, Zope Documentation, and Zope
Community.  I was just talking about this on Christmas with someone, so
there's still hope it will happen.

Andrew  Sawyers


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Re: [Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!

2005-12-27 Thread Andrew Sawyers
On Sun, 2005-12-25 at 10:03 +0800, Bakhtiar A Hamid wrote:

 
 The 'closed group' dissolved a while ago.
 
 
 that's sad(?)  anything came out of the group?  i think we need to do
 to zope.org what we did to zope2.  ignore and build.  leave it as
 old.zope.org and link from the new site.
 

That was the plan.  I'd like to revive the plan.  :)  Volunteers?
Andrew

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[Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!

2005-12-27 Thread Michael Haubenwallner

Andrew Sawyers wrote:


On Sun, 2005-12-25 at 10:03 +0800, Bakhtiar A Hamid wrote:


   
   The 'closed group' dissolved a while ago.



that's sad(?)  anything came out of the group?  i think we need to do
to zope.org what we did to zope2.  ignore and build.  leave it as
old.zope.org and link from the new site.




That was the plan.  I'd like to revive the plan.  :)  Volunteers?
Andrew



Count me in

Michael

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Re: [Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!

2005-12-25 Thread Nicolas Georgakopoulos



Bakhtiar A Hamid wrote:




On 12/24/05, *Michael Haubenwallner* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




The batch limit is set to '300', limiting the display of a sorted
result
set.

Here are numbers from the database:
   old style howtos :   1986 (created until 2003)
   new style howtos :251 (created after the transition to
plone)
   new published howtos : 90

The 'closed group' dissolved a while ago.



that's sad(?)  anything came out of the group?  i think we need to do 
to zope.org http://zope.org what we did to zope2.  ignore and 
build.  leave it as old.zope.org http://old.zope.org and link from 
the new site.


happy holidays


Hth,
Michael


Ignore and build , I agree too :-)

Merry Christmas from Greece !
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Re: [Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!

2005-12-24 Thread Bakhtiar A Hamid
 zope.org HowTos are something between 1000 and 3000 documents.
 Everyonewanting to help to review and consolidate that information is welcome to send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or to the zope-web mailing list (
zope-web@zope.org). MichaelI think you are wrong , on Zope site it say's - Zope How-Tos 1- 20 of 300i think that was remnants of the migration way back when
it's hardcoded, then.what's needed to spruce up the howtos, or zope.org? iirc, there was a closed group with that mission setup some time back
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Re: [Zope] Re: Leave the ivory tower now!

2005-12-23 Thread Nicolas Georgakopoulos



Michael Haubenwallner wrote:


Nicolas Georgakopoulos wrote:


Here are my ideas to make Zope 3 the most successful framework ever:


Make them love Zope at the very first look:

   * Make installing Zope a double-click or one-command-only 
experience and

   * offer a 30 minutes tutorial of programming an useful application
 including an audiovisual show for an appetizer that offers a 
feeling

 of success.

Enable the beginners:

   * Easy to read and understand ‹ but still complete and current ‹
 documentation is a must.
   * Avoid cluttering everything about Zope across articles, blogs, 
chats,
 mailing lists and wikis. Keep everything available and 
searchable at

 one central location.


 



I think Make them love Zope at the very first look and Enable the 
Beginner is on the same issue , I consider my self a beginner and 
trying to learn Zope I found many resources on google but a little 
bit of chaos , a better united source from the central Zope 
(Zope.org) it is required. I is a shame to know that there is a big 
help and a big community but not so well united and organized.
Zope Book 2.7 it is in the same stage it was before 3,5 months ago 
when I started to reading it with some example only in DTML when Zope 
encourage leaving DTML for ZPT.
The how-to section 
(http://www.zope.org/Documentation/How-To/index_html?sort_on=modifiedsort_order=reverse) 
have *_only_* 3 post's for the year *2005 *!!!
A Zope editor is a must or to find another way more flexible ! 
external editor product it is steel a way but a ugly way in my 
opinion (no offense for the product) , to add numbers on every line 
when coding it will be a big step.


I don't want to blame the official Zope team , the are running with 
hard work for sure. It is just that Zope can do so much thing's 
compare to other products out there but important details have been 
left unaccomplished...


I hope the point of this mail is to make Zope better and not to be 
considered as an accusation or an attack...


Zope need and can become better :)




zope.org HowTos are something between 1000 and 3000 documents. 
Everyone  wanting to help to review and consolidate that information 
is welcome to send a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or to the zope-web 
mailing list (zope-web@zope.org).


Michael


I think you are wrong , on Zope site it say's - Zope How-Tos 1- 20 of 300

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