Re: [Zope] Why Not Zope? 'Cos I like to bitch! ;-)

2000-12-01 Thread Riku Voipio
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:18:57PM -0800, Andy McKay wrote: For most small applications DTML can suffice, but when it gets large you should separate your code the way its intended, DTML is for simple logic and presentation ONLY. Whilst PythonMethods are cool, I would naturally stray away

Re: [Zope] Why Not Zope? 'Cos I like to bitch! ;-)

2000-12-01 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Stefan H. Holek wrote: Why isn't there a mod_zope module? There certainly are mod_snake and mod_python. Has anybody tried to run Zope with one of those? Zope is a server by itself, it doesn't need to be embedded ito Apache. PLUG mode="shameless" There IS

[Zope] Why Not Zope? 'Cos I like to bitch! ;-)

2000-12-01 Thread Andrew Kuchling
On 1 Dec 2000, Brian Lloyd wrote: I think that this perception may be fostered by the fact that the current bug-tracking system (Collector) doesnt really let you see what has been done lately. Unless you happen to see the emails going out on resolution, you really aren't aware of the activity

Re: [Zope] Why Not Zope? 'Cos I like to bitch! ;-)

2000-12-01 Thread Stefan H. Holek
On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Oleg Broytmann wrote: On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Stefan H. Holek wrote: Why isn't there a mod_zope module? There certainly are mod_snake and mod_python. Has anybody tried to run Zope with one of those? Zope is a server by itself, it doesn't need to be embedded ito

Re: [Zope] Why Not Zope? 'Cos I like to bitch! ;-)

2000-12-01 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Stefan H. Holek wrote: I (hope I) wasn't implying that Zope _needs_ to be embedded into Apache. ;) I for my part am quite happy with proxypassing. All I wanted to know is whether anybody had tried to run Zope with But these modules does not run p/f-cgi - they run

Re: [Zope] Why Not Zope? 'Cos I like to bitch! ;-)

2000-12-01 Thread Andy McKay
But once you have done 5 lines of dtml, and yoo need to add sixth, what is more probable: 1. Rewrite as a pyhtonmethod 2. Just add the sixth line I have the creeping feeling, that dtml is the worst thing since csh. Fortunatly, even DC seems to have realized it. Its a double edged sword,

[Zope] Why Not Zope? 'Cos I like to bitch! ;-)

2000-11-30 Thread Chris Withers
Karim Yaici wrote: Hi guys, I found this article written by someone from Quixote concerning Zope, describing its weaknesses and possible future development http://www.amk.ca/python/writing/why-not-zope.html This guy is quite far up his own arse :-) It's probably more useful to work around

RE: [Zope] Why Not Zope? 'Cos I like to bitch! ;-)

2000-11-30 Thread Steve Drees
I found this article written by someone from Quixote concerning Zope, describing its weaknesses and possible future development http://www.amk.ca/python/writing/why-not-zope.html No CVS is also a problem, but with the improvements in the History tab and the like, this less of an issue.

Re: [Zope] Why Not Zope? 'Cos I like to bitch! ;-)

2000-11-30 Thread Cees de Groot
Andy McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The heavy lifting, logic and anything more should be in python. I won't pretend its particularly easy Zope hurt quite a lot some times, but we got there.. I think this is the biggest problem of Zope. Contrary to Python, Zope makes it /hard/ to do things the