Re: [Zope] installing zope in a web hosted environment

2006-01-09 Thread Gabriel Genellina

At Sunday 8/1/2006 11:47, Daniel Gross wrote:

Thank you for your reply. Actually, i first installed and configured 
plone/zope on a local server at home. Due to problems with dynamic ip 
mapping i decided to move it to a hosted environment. It appears however 
that unfortunately i can't do it, unless i get a dedicated server, which 
is way too expensive for my resources and needs ...


Another option would be to keep it on your local server at home and setup a 
dynamic dns name (try http://www.yi.org/ or many others)



Gabriel Genellina
Softlab SRL 


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[Zope] installing zope in a web hosted environment

2006-01-08 Thread Daniel Gross

Hello,

I am using a linux web hosting service, who has recently installed 
python into apache. Usually i install web products via ftp. After 
reading how to install zope (and plone), I couldnt find a reference how 
to install zope using ftp only. Is there a way to do so, also, so that 
zope does not use its built in web server but the apache server of the 
web host.


appreciating your response,

Daniel

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Re: [Zope] installing zope in a web hosted environment

2006-01-08 Thread Jens Vagelpohl


On 8 Jan 2006, at 14:30, Daniel Gross wrote:


Hello,

I am using a linux web hosting service, who has recently installed  
python into apache. Usually i install web products via ftp. After  
reading how to install zope (and plone), I couldnt find a reference  
how to install zope using ftp only. Is there a way to do so, also,  
so that zope does not use its built in web server but the apache  
server of the web host.


You didn't find that reference because you can't do that. Simple as  
that I'm afraid. You need shell access to install and run Zope.


jens

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Re: [Zope] installing zope in a web hosted environment

2006-01-08 Thread Rakotomandimby Mihamina
On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 09:30 -0500, Daniel Gross wrote:
 Hello,

Hi,

 to install zope using ftp only. 

If FTP-only, you wont be abble.
If you have ssh/shell acces too, it is possible if the shell is not too
much restricted.
Finally, on a shared hosting service, I really doubt you could do it,
because of the ressources Zope could take. Zope itself is not ressources
consuming, but If you add such things as Plone or CPS, you will often
take 100% of the CPU, so that you could disturb your co-hosted
collegues.

But fisrt of all, what I advice you is to test on a local machine. 
Try to install linux home and then have a try with Zope...

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Opengroupware, SPIP, Plone, PhpBB, JetSpeed... are good: CPS is better.
http://www.cps-project.org for downloads  documentation.
Free hosting of CPS groupware: http://www.objectis.org.

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Re: [Zope] installing zope in a web hosted environment

2006-01-08 Thread Daniel Gross




Hello,

Thank you for your reply. Actually, i first installed and configured
plone/zope on a local server at home. Due to problems with dynamic ip
mapping i decided to move it to a hosted environment. It appears
however that unfortunately i can't do it, unless i get a dedicated
server, which is way too expensive for my resources and needs ...

thanks,

Daniel

Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:

  On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 09:30 -0500, Daniel Gross wrote:
  
  
Hello,

  
  
Hi,

  
  
to install zope using ftp only. 

  
  
If FTP-only, you wont be abble.
If you have ssh/shell acces too, it is possible if the shell is not too
much restricted.
Finally, on a shared hosting service, I really doubt you could do it,
because of the ressources Zope could take. Zope itself is not ressources
consuming, but If you add such things as Plone or CPS, you will often
take 100% of the CPU, so that you could disturb your co-hosted
collegues.

But fisrt of all, what I advice you is to test on a local machine. 
Try to install linux home and then have a try with Zope...

  




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Re: [Zope] installing zope in a web hosted environment

2006-01-08 Thread Jens Vagelpohl


On 8 Jan 2006, at 14:39, Daniel Gross wrote:


Jens Vagelpohl wrote:


On 8 Jan 2006, at 14:30, Daniel Gross wrote:


Hello,

I am using a linux web hosting service, who has recently  
installed python into apache. Usually i install web products via  
ftp. After reading how to install zope (and plone), I couldnt  
find a reference how to install zope using ftp only. Is there a  
way to do so, also, so that zope does not use its built in web  
server but the apache server of the web host.


You didn't find that reference because you can't do that. Simple  
as that I'm afraid. You need shell access to install and run Zope.

Hello Jens,

Thank you for yoru prompt response.

Is this an oversight, or general lack of need as virtually all  
Zope users run their own servers, or an inherent limitation of how  
Zope works ...


Please keep this on the mailing list.

What you are referring to is a use case Zope cannot cater for. To run  
a Zope server you must have certain levels of access to the server.  
Zope is not like a CGI-script that you can upload and run out of  
Apache, it is a full-blown server process on its own.


This is neither an oversight nor a limitation, this requirement  
exists for all real server software you want to install and run.


jens


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Re: [Zope] installing zope in a web hosted environment

2006-01-08 Thread Rakotomandimby Mihamina
On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 09:47 -0500, Daniel Gross wrote:
 Hello,

Hi,

 Thank you for your reply. Actually, i first installed and configured
 plone/zope on a local server at home. Due to problems with dynamic ip
 mapping i decided to move it to a hosted environment. It appears
 however that unfortunately i can't do it, unless i get a dedicated
 server, 

You can also rent a virtual dedicated server.
Or use one of the free services available, such as:

- http://www.objectis.org/.
- http://wiki.python.org/moin/FreeHosts

But if you have specific needs, I can lend you a part of my dedicated
server, for free. It is under-used for the moment.

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Opengroupware, SPIP, Plone, PhpBB, JetSpeed... are good: CPS is better.
http://www.cps-project.org for downloads  documentation.
Free hosting of CPS groupware: http://www.objectis.org.

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Re: [Zope] installing zope in a web hosted environment

2006-01-08 Thread Jonathan



snip
Thank you for 
your reply. Actually, i first installed and configured plone/zope on a local 
server at home. Due to problems with dynamic ip mapping i decided to move it to 
a hosted environment. It appears however that unfortunately i can't do it, 
unless i get a dedicated server, which is way too expensive for my resources and 
needs .../snip

Some IP's have an upgrade to their service which 
will give you a static IP (for a few dollars more per month of course!) which 
would allow you to run on your home server.


Jonathan


  - Original Message - 
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  Daniel 
  Gross 
  To: Rakotomandimby 
  Mihamina 
  Cc: zope@zope.org 
  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 9:47 
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  Subject: Re: [Zope] installing zope in a 
  "web" hosted environment
  Hello,Thank you for your 
  reply. Actually, i first installed and configured plone/zope on a local server 
  at home. Due to problems with dynamic ip mapping i decided to move it to a 
  hosted environment. It appears however that unfortunately i can't do it, 
  unless i get a dedicated server, which is way too expensive for my resources 
  and needs ...thanks,DanielRakotomandimby Mihamina 
  wrote: 
  On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 09:30 -0500, Daniel Gross wrote:
  
Hello,

Hi,

  
to install zope using ftp only. 

If FTP-only, you wont be abble.
If you have ssh/shell acces too, it is possible if the shell is not too
much restricted.
Finally, on a shared hosting service, I really doubt you could do it,
because of the ressources Zope could take. Zope itself is not ressources
consuming, but If you add such things as Plone or CPS, you will often
take 100% of the CPU, so that you could disturb your co-hosted
collegues.

But fisrt of all, what I advice you is to test on a local machine. 
Try to install linux home and then have a try with Zope...

  
  
  

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