Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-16 Thread Dieter Maurer
Jens Vagelpohl wrote at 2007-1-15 17:05 +0100:
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On 15 Jan 2007, at 16:55, Jaroslav Lukesh wrote:
[JV]
 There is no difference in speed or cost. You do not need any  
 fancy  HTML editor, and you do not need a big budget.

[JL]
 Yes, but what if you have a part of a bigger development team,  
 where are the graphics designer, web designer, web coders and web  
 system developers not only single person, but many? Then ZPT is the  
 right choice. But if you are single or two, then it is really  
 considerably chepaer to use DTML.

[JV]
Still wrong. I work by myself most of the time.

Sorry if you had bad experiences, but stop trying to sell some  
perception as fact.

[DM]
Are you doing the same?

  You are claiming above there is no difference in speed and cost,
  but, depending on many things (most notably personal background
  and preferences) there may well be differences.



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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-15 Thread Gabriel Genellina

At Sunday 14/1/2007 02:00, Reena Karthikeyan wrote:

I work as a software test engineer in the middle east and was 
looking for a good bug tracking tool and that is when I happened to 
find this site. I found Zope to be very useful and now my next( Most 
important) step is to start using the Issue Tracker tool. However, I 
am unable do so. The reason being that I do not exactly know what to do.


If all you need is a bug tracker, perhaps installing and maintaing 
Zope is too much.

You may be interested in Roundup: http://roundup.sourceforge.net/


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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-15 Thread robert rottermann
Jonathan wrote:

 - Original Message - From: robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Reena Karthikeyan
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 Jonathan wrote:

 - Original Message - From: robert rottermann
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Reena Karthikeyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: zope@zope.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required..


 there is very good  dolumentation to be found under:
 http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition
 (disregard anything about dtml and zclasses, this are dying concepts)

 ZClasses are deprecated as of zope 2.10.0 beta 1 (see CHANGES.txt).

 DTML is NOT deprecated and is NOT a dying concept.  ZPT and DTML are
 used by different people for different reasons; both technologies have
 their strengths and weaknesses, but both are viable, ongoing
 components of Zope.


 Jonathan



 your right Dtml is not dying. its dead.

 At the risk of feeding the troll...

 One of the wonderful things (of which there are many!) about Zope, is
 that Zope provides a plethora of tools for building applications. 
 Some people prefer certain tools over others.  The choice of tool is
 less important than whether it meets the needs of the application.

 If a Zope developer has a preference for one tool over another that is
 an internal choice, and I am sure that newcomers to Zope would be
 happy to hear the reasons for the tool selection.  However, it is not
 helpful to disparage the other tools as newcomers to Zope may find
 them useful.  Saying that certain features are 'dead' (which they are
 not in this particular instance) may scare newcomers away from that
 tool, and possibly away from Zope, which would not be helpful to the
 Zope community as a whole.

 Zope is a fantastic web application development platform, and it is in
 our own best interests to ensure that newcomers are informed about all
 of the many features and solutions it offers.


 Jonathan


jonathan,
you are of course perfectly right.
but tough DTML still exists it is dated and largely replaced by tal et al.
all new developpment efforts go into this set of utilities.
I strongly recommend any newcomer not to touch DTML  unless she has to
deal with some legacy code.
(ZSQL does not count here).

robert
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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-15 Thread Jaroslav Lukesh


- Original Message - 
From: robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

DTML is NOT deprecated and is NOT a dying concept.  ZPT and DTML are
used by different people for different reasons; both technologies have
their strengths and weaknesses, but both are viable, ongoing
components of Zope.


Jonathan




your right Dtml is not dying. its dead.


At the risk of feeding the troll...

One of the wonderful things (of which there are many!) about Zope, is
that Zope provides a plethora of tools for building applications.
Some people prefer certain tools over others.  The choice of tool is
less important than whether it meets the needs of the application.

If a Zope developer has a preference for one tool over another that is
an internal choice, and I am sure that newcomers to Zope would be
happy to hear the reasons for the tool selection.  However, it is not
helpful to disparage the other tools as newcomers to Zope may find
them useful.  Saying that certain features are 'dead' (which they are
not in this particular instance) may scare newcomers away from that
tool, and possibly away from Zope, which would not be helpful to the
Zope community as a whole.

Zope is a fantastic web application development platform, and it is in
our own best interests to ensure that newcomers are informed about all
of the many features and solutions it offers.


Jonathan



jonathan,
you are of course perfectly right.
but tough DTML still exists it is dated and largely replaced by tal et al.
all new developpment efforts go into this set of utilities.
I strongly recommend any newcomer not to touch DTML  unless she has to
deal with some legacy code.
(ZSQL does not count here).

robert


No, DTML is perfect for sites with lower budget than price for Vignette. 
ZPT/TAL is great for really big sites with really big hardware and budget 
too. ZPT is great for sites with many changes of design per year, but you 
need graphics webstudio which does not crash your lovely template. But these 
studios are not as cheap as you want. If your budget (without hardware) is 
roughly as price for Vignette, then do that web with ZPT. Else use DTML.


JL.

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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-15 Thread Andreas Jung



--On 15. Januar 2007 10:40:34 +0100 Jaroslav Lukesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:




- Original Message - From: robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, DTML is perfect for sites with lower budget than price for Vignette.
ZPT/TAL is great for really big sites with really big hardware and budget
too. ZPT is great for sites with many changes of design per year, but you
need graphics webstudio which does not crash your lovely template. But
these studios are not as cheap as you want. If your budget (without
hardware) is roughly as price for Vignette, then do that web with ZPT.
Else use DTML.




What has the budget to do with ZPT vs. DTML? That's really the most
ridiculous argument I've ever heard. Do you want to tell us that the costs 
for writing ZPT code are higher than for writing unmaintainable DTML crap

code?

-aj

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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-15 Thread Jaroslav Lukesh
Budget has to do, because writing of website with dtml is much faster than 
in zpt. And webdesigner studios that does not make crap from your ZPT 
template have 10x more price level than PHP-like graphics studios.


DTML - lower cost of development
ZPT - lower cost for design changes

DTML - is possible to use cheaper webdesigners
ZPT - hi-end web studios needed

DTML - reasonable speed with no more tuning
ZPT - needs power HW and/or performance tuning


- Original Message - 
From: Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED]

What has the budget to do with ZPT vs. DTML? That's really the most
ridiculous argument I've ever heard. Do you want to tell us that the costs
for writing ZPT code are higher than for writing unmaintainable DTML crap
code?

-aj 


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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-15 Thread Andreas Jung



--On 15. Januar 2007 12:40:30 +0100 Jaroslav Lukesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



Budget has to do, because writing of website with dtml is much faster
than in zpt. And webdesigner studios that does not make crap from your
ZPT template have 10x more price level than PHP-like graphics studios.

DTML - lower cost of development
ZPT - lower cost for design changes

DTML - is possible to use cheaper webdesigners
ZPT - hi-end web studios needed


I've never seen a webdesigner delivering something in DTML or ZPT.
The deliver usually (bad) HTML - nothing else. And it is up to the
developer to fill the HTML with life.



DTML - reasonable speed with no more tuning
ZPT - needs power HW and/or performance tuning


The performance of the underlying frameworks is much more important than
looking only at the ZPT performance.


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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-15 Thread Jens Vagelpohl

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On 15 Jan 2007, at 12:40, Jaroslav Lukesh wrote:

Budget has to do, because writing of website with dtml is much  
faster than in zpt. And webdesigner studios that does not make crap  
from your ZPT template have 10x more price level than PHP-like  
graphics studios.


Sorry, that's complete BS. You're describing your own preferences and  
mindset, this is clearly not a statement grounded in fact.


When I wrote DTML I used a text editor. Now I write mostly ZPT and  
guess what, I still use the same text editor. The tools have not  
changed at all for me. And even more important, this is true for  
almost every single developer I know - and I know a lot of them.


There is no difference in speed or cost. You do not need any fancy  
HTML editor, and you do not need a big budget.


jens


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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-15 Thread Jaroslav Lukesh

From: Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Budget has to do, because writing of website with dtml is much  faster 
than in zpt. And webdesigner studios that does not make crap  from your 
ZPT template have 10x more price level than PHP-like  graphics studios.


Sorry, that's complete BS. You're describing your own preferences and 
mindset, this is clearly not a statement grounded in fact.


When I wrote DTML I used a text editor. Now I write mostly ZPT and  guess 
what, I still use the same text editor. The tools have not  changed at all 
for me. And even more important, this is true for  almost every single 
developer I know - and I know a lot of them.


There is no difference in speed or cost. You do not need any fancy  HTML 
editor, and you do not need a big budget.


Yes, but what if you have a part of a bigger development team, where are the 
graphics designer, web designer, web coders and web system developers not 
only single person, but many? Then ZPT is the right choice. But if you are 
single or two, then it is really considerably chepaer to use DTML.


JL. 


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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-15 Thread Martijn Pieters

Yes, but what if you have a part of a bigger development team, where are the
graphics designer, web designer, web coders and web system developers not
only single person, but many? Then ZPT is the right choice. But if you are
single or two, then it is really considerably chepaer to use DTML.


I find DTML to be more expensive, because I make more mistakes, more
easily. I prefer ZPT, and we do not have a big dev team here. Sorry,
just because you prefer DTML doesn't make it any cheaper to develop
with it.

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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-15 Thread Jens Vagelpohl

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On 15 Jan 2007, at 16:55, Jaroslav Lukesh wrote:
There is no difference in speed or cost. You do not need any  
fancy  HTML editor, and you do not need a big budget.


Yes, but what if you have a part of a bigger development team,  
where are the graphics designer, web designer, web coders and web  
system developers not only single person, but many? Then ZPT is the  
right choice. But if you are single or two, then it is really  
considerably chepaer to use DTML.


Still wrong. I work by myself most of the time.

Sorry if you had bad experiences, but stop trying to sell some  
perception as fact.


jens



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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-15 Thread Gabriel Genellina

At Monday 15/1/2007 10:49, Reena Karthikeyan wrote:

I downloaded Python and also round up.  In the following link 
http://roundup.sourceforge.net/doc-1.0/installation.htmlhttp://roundup.sourceforge.net/doc-1.0/installation.html 
basic installation steps confuse me. I tried teh demo, it simply 
gives me a command prompt and I typed in D:\DEMO and nothing 
happened. Demo did not start like mentioned in the docs.


(This is getting absolutely off topic)
At least follow the instructions For the Really Impatient:
http://roundup.sourceforge.net/doc-1.0/installation.html#for-the-really-impatient
There is a lot of help on the Roundup site, and a mailing list. It's 
easy to set up - but the demo will work without any setup at all.



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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-14 Thread Jonathan


- Original Message - 
From: robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Reena Karthikeyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: zope@zope.org
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required..



there is very good  dolumentation to be found under:
http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition
(disregard anything about dtml and zclasses, this are dying concepts)


ZClasses are deprecated as of zope 2.10.0 beta 1 (see CHANGES.txt).

DTML is NOT deprecated and is NOT a dying concept.  ZPT and DTML are used by 
different people for different reasons; both technologies have their 
strengths and weaknesses, but both are viable, ongoing components of Zope.



Jonathan


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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-14 Thread robert rottermann
Jonathan wrote:

 - Original Message - From: robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Reena Karthikeyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: zope@zope.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required..


 there is very good  dolumentation to be found under:
 http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition
 (disregard anything about dtml and zclasses, this are dying concepts)

 ZClasses are deprecated as of zope 2.10.0 beta 1 (see CHANGES.txt).

 DTML is NOT deprecated and is NOT a dying concept.  ZPT and DTML are
 used by different people for different reasons; both technologies have
 their strengths and weaknesses, but both are viable, ongoing
 components of Zope.


 Jonathan



your right Dtml is not dying. its dead.
some zombies here and there however .. :)
robert

PS: some 5 years ago I was proficient with Dtml. Nowadays I get the
shivers if I have to understand a piece of it

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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-14 Thread Jonathan


- Original Message - 
From: robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Reena Karthikeyan 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; zope@zope.org

Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required..



Jonathan wrote:


- Original Message - From: robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Reena Karthikeyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: zope@zope.org
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required..



there is very good  dolumentation to be found under:
http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition
(disregard anything about dtml and zclasses, this are dying concepts)


ZClasses are deprecated as of zope 2.10.0 beta 1 (see CHANGES.txt).

DTML is NOT deprecated and is NOT a dying concept.  ZPT and DTML are
used by different people for different reasons; both technologies have
their strengths and weaknesses, but both are viable, ongoing
components of Zope.


Jonathan




your right Dtml is not dying. its dead.


At the risk of feeding the troll...

One of the wonderful things (of which there are many!) about Zope, is that 
Zope provides a plethora of tools for building applications.  Some people 
prefer certain tools over others.  The choice of tool is less important than 
whether it meets the needs of the application.


If a Zope developer has a preference for one tool over another that is an 
internal choice, and I am sure that newcomers to Zope would be happy to hear 
the reasons for the tool selection.  However, it is not helpful to disparage 
the other tools as newcomers to Zope may find them useful.  Saying that 
certain features are 'dead' (which they are not in this particular instance) 
may scare newcomers away from that tool, and possibly away from Zope, which 
would not be helpful to the Zope community as a whole.


Zope is a fantastic web application development platform, and it is in our 
own best interests to ensure that newcomers are informed about all of the 
many features and solutions it offers.



Jonathan




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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-14 Thread Hugo Ramos

Hi Reena,

Well I was assuming you used Zope before... Well...
After extracting the product to Products folder under Zope root you
should restart zope service and then open your browser to
http://localhost:port/manage

Then you have to create your products object inside zope using that
management interface

Then you have to point your browser to http://localhost:port/objectname

But if you're really new to Zope you should reald:
http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_6Edition/

This should give you a good start! :-)


CU
Hugo



On 1/14/07, Reena Karthikeyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Hugo,


Thanks for ur imm response.

I did just that. But I am not sure Y it doesnt still show up.

Tell me if I am running Zope correct. All I do is run the instance from teh
start menu and then open the application from the link (or should it come up
by itself). How do I exit from the application

I extracted all the files in to a folder called products  available at Zope.
I then again restarted zope and checked under the products under control
panel. Is it right???

Am I missing something

Thanks,
Reena





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 Hi Reena,

 All you have to do is move the folder with all those files to a folder
 named Products somewhere inside your zope instance. Then restart zope.


 CU
 Hugo



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  Dear All,
 
 
  I am a new user of Zope. I am sure, all of you all are masters at using
  Zope. I am not sure if I am writing my query to the right place.
However,
  please forgive me if I am doing something wrong.
 
  I work as a software test engineer in the middle east and was looking
for a
  good bug tracking tool and that is when I happened to find this site. I
  found Zope to be very useful and now my next( Most important) step is to
  start using the Issue Tracker tool. However, I am unable do so. The
reason
  being that I do not exactly know what to do.
 
 
 
  I have installed Zope 2.9.6 from the link below:
 
   http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.9.6
 
 
 
  and have downloaded issuetracker from :
 
http://www.issuetrackerproduct.com/Download#IssueTrackerProduct
 
 
 
  When I unzip issue tracker all I see is a bunch of gif files, dtml
files, py
  and zpt files. I have no idea what to do next. Please help me out to use
  this tool at the earliest. Also I would really appreciate it if you
could
  provide me with any kind of documentation available to carry out the
same.
 
 
 
  Thanks and Regards,
 
  Reena Diju
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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-13 Thread robert rottermann
there is very good  dolumentation to be found under:
http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition
(disregard anything about dtml and zclasses, this are dying concepts)
google on how to install new zope products.
I found: http://highspeedrails.com/Support/Howto/InstallProducts

robert
Reena Karthikeyan wrote:

 *Dear All,*

 * *

 *I am a new user of Zope. I am sure, all of you all are masters at
 using Zope. I am not sure if I am writing my query to the right place.
 However, please forgive me if I am doing something wrong. *
 ** 
 *I work as a software test engineer in the middle east and was looking
 for a good bug tracking tool and that is when I happened to find this
 site. I found Zope to be very useful and now my next( Most
 important) step is to start using the Issue Tracker tool. However, I
 am unable do so. The reason being that I do not exactly know what to do. *

 * *

 *I have installed Zope 2.9.6 from the link below: *

 *http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.9.6*

 * *

 *and have downloaded issuetracker from : *
 *http://www.issuetrackerproduct.com/Download#IssueTrackerProduct*

 * *

 *When I unzip issue tracker all I see is a bunch of gif files, dtml
 files, py and zpt files. I have no idea what to do next. Please help
 me out to use this tool at the earliest. Also I would really
 appreciate it if you could provide me with any kind of documentation
 available to carry out the same. *

   

 /*Thanks and Regards,*/

 /*Reena Diju*/

 

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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......

2007-01-13 Thread Hugo Ramos

Hi Reena,

All you have to do is move the folder with all those files to a folder
named Products somewhere inside your zope instance. Then restart zope.


CU
Hugo



On 1/14/07, Reena Karthikeyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Dear All,


I am a new user of Zope. I am sure, all of you all are masters at using
Zope. I am not sure if I am writing my query to the right place. However,
please forgive me if I am doing something wrong.

I work as a software test engineer in the middle east and was looking for a
good bug tracking tool and that is when I happened to find this site. I
found Zope to be very useful and now my next( Most important) step is to
start using the Issue Tracker tool. However, I am unable do so. The reason
being that I do not exactly know what to do.



I have installed Zope 2.9.6 from the link below:

 http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.9.6



and have downloaded issuetracker from :
http://www.issuetrackerproduct.com/Download#IssueTrackerProduct



When I unzip issue tracker all I see is a bunch of gif files, dtml files, py
and zpt files. I have no idea what to do next. Please help me out to use
this tool at the earliest. Also I would really appreciate it if you could
provide me with any kind of documentation available to carry out the same.



Thanks and Regards,

Reena Diju
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Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required- Installation

2000-06-09 Thread System Administrator

Hi Daryl

this did not work. it gave a conflict with the exisiting installed
packages.


On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Daryl Tester wrote:

 python-devel is an RPMism (which means you won't find it on python.org).
 On my RedHat 6.1 box, it's python-devel-1.5.2-7.rpm .  chkconfig,
 according to "rpm -qf `which chkconfig`", is owned by chkconfig-1.0.7-2.
 
 
 Regards,
   Daryl Tester
 

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