Andreas Jung wrote:
--On 21. Juni 2005 23:04:12 +0100 Mark Barratt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
or there's PHP, where the communities are probably more newbie-friendly
and there are loads of tutorials.
Don't compare PHP with Zope. PHP is a tiny language compared to the fat
Zope frameworks.
The Zope Book says this in its preface FWIW:
To make effective use of the book, you should know how to use a web
browser and you should have a basic understanding of HTML (Hyper Text
Markup Language) and URLs (Uniform Resource Locators). You don't need to
be a highly-skilled programmer in order
I think we (the Zope community) should try to be clearer in telling
newcomers what the 'entry requirements' are.
My preference is to lie about the complexity. Newcomers are
welcoming it much more then. Because if you say it is easy people will
blame themselfs if they get stuck and to avoid
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 11:04:12PM +0100, Mark Barratt wrote:
John Poltorak wrote:
I was on a course over the weekend where ordinary people in their 70's
with no technical ability were knocking together websites in just a few
hours with no prior training and no understanding of the
+---[ John Poltorak ]--
| On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 11:04:12PM +0100, Mark Barratt wrote:
|
[Snip]
| Most (not all) of the people who hang out here have all three of these
| skill sets, and like many skilled people, they find it hard to
| understand that the skills
I'm sufficiently aware of Zope to know it provides a far more
comprehensive build environment than PHP ever will and I would like to
adopt it as my platform of choice, but it would be nice if the ZOPE
support community was as newbie-friendly as the PHP crowd. Loads of
tutorials and worked
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 01:24:18AM +0200, Andreas Pakulat wrote:
On 20.Jun 2005 - 23:45:34, John Poltorak wrote:
Does a ZPT tutorial exist anywhere?
How about the 2 chapters in the Zope book?
I just don't find this book very helpful at all. It's written as a manual
rather than tutorial
John Poltorak wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 01:24:18AM +0200, Andreas Pakulat wrote:
On 20.Jun 2005 - 23:45:34, John Poltorak wrote:
Does a ZPT tutorial exist anywhere?
How about the 2 chapters in the Zope book?
I just don't find this
John Poltorak wrote:
Does a ZPT tutorial exist anywhere?
How about:
http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Articles
Specifically:
http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Articles/ZPT1
http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Articles/ZPT2
There's something odd about the rendering of the second one, but
How about the 2 chapters in the Zope book?
I just don't find this book very helpful at all. It's written as a manual
rather than tutorial and reminds me of a book which explains how to chop
down a tree if you are interested in putting up some bookshelves.
What I did find useful, though,
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 07:04:48PM +0100, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
How about the 2 chapters in the Zope book?
I just don't find this book very helpful at all. It's written as a manual
rather than tutorial and reminds me of a book which explains how to chop
down a tree if you are
John Poltorak wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 07:04:48PM +0100, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
How about the 2 chapters in the Zope book?
I just don't find this book very helpful at all. It's written as a
manual
rather than tutorial and reminds me of a book which explains how to
chop
down a
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 07:29:20PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote:
re. zopelabs.com:
It probably is very useful, but I know I'd get hopelessly lost because
there is just so much stuff on it.
So you prefer to ignore it?
Granted, zopelabs.com has flaws. It's harder to find stuff than it
should be.
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 03:15:33PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 07:29:20PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote:
re. zopelabs.com:
It probably is very useful, but I know I'd get hopelessly lost because
there is just so much stuff on it.
So you prefer to ignore it?
Just how
John,
If you spent more time just *learning* Zope and HTML, etc and less time
rationalizing your lack of progress everyone would be happy.
David
John Poltorak wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 03:15:33PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 07:29:20PM +0100, John
John Poltorak wrote:
If I spend a couple of days on something and make no progress, I'd say
it's 'too much work'. Wouldn't you.
Yes
I was on a course over the weekend where ordinary people in their 70's
with no technical ability were knocking together websites in just a few
hours with
Hi,
In addition, Zope is heading fast into even less friendly territory.
DTML, which is technically 'mucky' but reasonably easy to grasp for non-programmers,
is increasingly deprecated.
I just started to learn Zope recently. I choose dtml over page templates
to learn as it
= seemed to me
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 10:10:06PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 03:15:33PM -0400, Paul Winkler wrote:
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 07:29:20PM +0100, John Poltorak wrote:
re. zopelabs.com:
It probably is very useful, but I know I'd get hopelessly lost because
there
On 21 Jun 2005, at 23:23, Tamas Hegedus wrote:
Hi,
In addition, Zope is heading fast into even less friendly
territory. DTML, which is technically 'mucky' but reasonably easy
to grasp for non-programmers,
is increasingly deprecated.
I just started to learn Zope recently. I choose
--On 21. Juni 2005 23:04:12 +0100 Mark Barratt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
or there's PHP, where the communities are probably more newbie-friendly
and there are loads of tutorials.
Don't compare PHP with Zope. PHP is a tiny language compared to the fat
Zope frameworks. Working with Zope on the
Don't know of a good tutorial but I know there are many. I'm sure that
plone.org has some good ones.
In case you already know your DTML, this little howto has helped people a lot.
http://www.zope.org/Members/peterbe/DTML2ZPT
On 6/20/05, John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does a ZPT
--On 20. Juni 2005 23:45:34 +0100 John Poltorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does a ZPT tutorial exist anywhere?
Aren't the *three* ZPT chapters in the Zope Book good enough?
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