Re: [Zope] CMF -?- Zope

2011-06-24 Thread Tres Seaver
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On 06/23/2011 01:52 PM, Eric d'Halibut wrote:
 On 6/23/11, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
 
 Unpack the CMFCore sdist tarball, e.g.:

  $ cd /tmp
  $ wget \

 http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/P/Products.CMFCore/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4.tar.gz
  $ cd /usr/local
  $ sudo tar xzf /tmp/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4.tar.gz

 and then add the unpacked directory to the 'products' section of your
 instance's 'zope.conf', e.g.:

  $ grep ^products /usr/local/Zopeish/etc/zope.conf
  products /usr/local/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4/
 
 No joy. Thanks. I am giving up on my NetBSD, and, when I get some time
 later today, redo all this on a linux box.

FTR, my original example was wrong.  It should have been:

 $ grep ^products /usr/local/Zopeish/etc/zope.conf
 products /usr/local/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4/Products/

and CMFCore requires that 'five.localsitemanager' be importable
(buildout and easy_install would have guaranteed that).


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Re: [Zope] CMF -?- Zope

2011-06-23 Thread robert rottermann
as root (or using virtualenv)
easy_install-2.6 -U ZopeSkel
then as user zope (or what ever)
paster create -t plone4_buildout NAMEOFNEWBUILDOUT
cd NAMEOFNEWBUILDOUT
python2.6 bootstrap
bin/buildout

and your new site is ready to start with
bin/instance fg

point your browser at localhost:8080/manage

install a new plone site ..

robert

On 23.06.2011 06:48, Eric d'Halibut wrote:
 I am a straggler returning to Zope after years away from it. I come
 from a time when to install a product into one's Zope one simply
 untarred it into one's Products folder and restarted. Now I am looking
 at easy_install, buildout, and the new mania for eggs. Imagine my
 discomfiture.

 But never mind all that. I now have a running instance of Zope 2.12.10
 installed in NetBSD 5.1. I want to install CMF into it, which used to
 be one's first product chore (almost) since plone depended on it and I
 was heading for a plone install, (and later on ran Silva for a couple
 of years.) But I am here tonight to say, I am stumped.

 How do get CMFCore into my zope instance the right way? Can someone
 lay out the steps for me?

 My python is: /usr/pkg/bin/python2.6

 My Zope is at: /usr/local/src/Zope2-2.12.10

 My instance is at: /usr/local/Zopeish

 I have banged around with easy_install, which writes things into my
 NetBSD /usr/pkg hierarchy, of which I very much disapprove. Buildout
 seems always to want to build the original gazillion (not
 complaining!) Zope packages every time I ry to use it.

 So...glad to be back. Need help. Will write if I get work. Wish you were here.

 nb. The running Zope instance is live on the net, so if one needs to
 examine my ZMI I can provide URL and login. Just ask, please.



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Re: [Zope] CMF -?- Zope

2011-06-23 Thread Eric d'Halibut
On 6/23/11, robert rottermann rob...@redcor.ch wrote:

 as root (or using virtualenv)
 easy_install-2.6 -U ZopeSkel
 then as user zope (or what ever)
 paster create -t plone4_buildout NAMEOFNEWBUILDOUT

This last command gives me a sternly-worded, and appearing, warning:

**   *** NOTE: You probably don't want to use this template!

**  Since Plone 3.1, the preferred way to get a buildout-based setup
**  for Plone is to use the standard installer for your operating
**  system (the Windows installer, the Mac installer, or the Unified
**  Installer for Linux/Unix/BSD).

How big a deal is this, especially in view of me running said command
under the /home/ hierarchy where it's not going to -- I hope -- do
much systemic damage?

And what if someone wants simply to install Zope and the CMF, and not
yet make the leap to Plone?

It seems the message I am getting is 'all roads lead to Plone!'

Thanks,


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Re: [Zope] CMF -?- Zope

2011-06-23 Thread Tres Seaver
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On 06/23/2011 12:48 AM, Eric d'Halibut wrote:
 I am a straggler returning to Zope after years away from it. I come
 from a time when to install a product into one's Zope one simply
 untarred it into one's Products folder and restarted. Now I am looking
 at easy_install, buildout, and the new mania for eggs. Imagine my
 discomfiture.
 
 But never mind all that. I now have a running instance of Zope 2.12.10
 installed in NetBSD 5.1. I want to install CMF into it, which used to
 be one's first product chore (almost) since plone depended on it and I
 was heading for a plone install, (and later on ran Silva for a couple
 of years.) But I am here tonight to say, I am stumped.
 
 How do get CMFCore into my zope instance the right way? Can someone
 lay out the steps for me?
 
 My python is: /usr/pkg/bin/python2.6
 
 My Zope is at: /usr/local/src/Zope2-2.12.10
 
 My instance is at: /usr/local/Zopeish

Unpack the CMFCore sdist tarball, e.g.:

 $ cd /tmp
 $ wget \

http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/P/Products.CMFCore/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4.tar.gz
 $ cd /usr/local
 $ sudo tar xzf /tmp/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4.tar.gz

and then add the unpacked directory to the 'products' section of your
instance's 'zope.conf', e.g.:

 $ grep ^products /usr/local/Zopeish/etc/zope.conf
 products /usr/local/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4/

You can repeat the 'products' bit to add other products.

 I have banged around with easy_install, which writes things into my
 NetBSD /usr/pkg hierarchy, of which I very much disapprove.

I recommend using 'virtualenv', which gives you a sandboxed
environment for installing non-system packages.

 Buildout
 seems always to want to build the original gazillion (not
 complaining!) Zope packages every time I ry to use it.
 
 So...glad to be back. Need help. Will write if I get work. Wish you were here.
 
 nb. The running Zope instance is live on the net, so if one needs to
 examine my ZMI I can provide URL and login. Just ask, please.



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Re: [Zope] CMF -?- Zope

2011-06-23 Thread robert rottermann
On 23.06.2011 16:14, Eric d'Halibut wrote:
 On 6/23/11, robert rottermannrob...@redcor.ch  wrote:

 as root (or using virtualenv)
 easy_install-2.6 -U ZopeSkel
 then as user zope (or what ever)
 paster create -t plone4_buildout NAMEOFNEWBUILDOUT
 This last command gives me a sternly-worded, and appearing, warning:

 **   *** NOTE: You probably don't want to use this template!
the alternative would be to use an Installer.
which I never do and (maybe therefore) see not advantage in using over plain 
buildout.

robert

 **  Since Plone 3.1, the preferred way to get a buildout-based setup
 **  for Plone is to use the standard installer for your operating
 **  system (the Windows installer, the Mac installer, or the Unified
 **  Installer for Linux/Unix/BSD).

 How big a deal is this, especially in view of me running said command
 under the /home/ hierarchy where it's not going to -- I hope -- do
 much systemic damage?

 And what if someone wants simply to install Zope and the CMF, and not
 yet make the leap to Plone?

 It seems the message I am getting is 'all roads lead to Plone!'

 Thanks,



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Re: [Zope] CMF -?- Zope

2011-06-23 Thread Eric d'Halibut
On 6/23/11, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:

 Unpack the CMFCore sdist tarball, e.g.:

  $ cd /tmp
  $ wget \

 http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/P/Products.CMFCore/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4.tar.gz
  $ cd /usr/local
  $ sudo tar xzf /tmp/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4.tar.gz

 and then add the unpacked directory to the 'products' section of your
 instance's 'zope.conf', e.g.:

  $ grep ^products /usr/local/Zopeish/etc/zope.conf
  products /usr/local/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4/

No joy. Thanks. I am giving up on my NetBSD, and, when I get some time
later today, redo all this on a linux box.

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not a looney! Why should I be tarred with the epithet looney merely
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[Zope] CMF -?- Zope

2011-06-22 Thread Eric d'Halibut
I am a straggler returning to Zope after years away from it. I come
from a time when to install a product into one's Zope one simply
untarred it into one's Products folder and restarted. Now I am looking
at easy_install, buildout, and the new mania for eggs. Imagine my
discomfiture.

But never mind all that. I now have a running instance of Zope 2.12.10
installed in NetBSD 5.1. I want to install CMF into it, which used to
be one's first product chore (almost) since plone depended on it and I
was heading for a plone install, (and later on ran Silva for a couple
of years.) But I am here tonight to say, I am stumped.

How do get CMFCore into my zope instance the right way? Can someone
lay out the steps for me?

My python is: /usr/pkg/bin/python2.6

My Zope is at: /usr/local/src/Zope2-2.12.10

My instance is at: /usr/local/Zopeish

I have banged around with easy_install, which writes things into my
NetBSD /usr/pkg hierarchy, of which I very much disapprove. Buildout
seems always to want to build the original gazillion (not
complaining!) Zope packages every time I ry to use it.

So...glad to be back. Need help. Will write if I get work. Wish you were here.

nb. The running Zope instance is live on the net, so if one needs to
examine my ZMI I can provide URL and login. Just ask, please.


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Re: [Zope-CMF] [Zope-dev] SVN: five.pt/trunk/src/five/pt/ The container should be the Acquisition.aq_parent.

2010-10-24 Thread Hanno Schlichting
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
 'container' is supposed to be the folder which holds the script /
 template, not the context.  In a CMF site, that will typically be the
 site root, given the way items in skin layers appear to be direct
 attributes of the portal object.  For purposes of Five views, the view
 object seemss like the right object to be the 'container' for the
 template:  if that is the case here (hard to see from just the diff), great.

Note this comment from Products.Five.browser.pagetemplatefile in the
pt_getContext method (made during the AQ vs. parent pointer work):

namespace.update(
here=obj,
# philiKON thinks container should be the view,
# but BBB is more important than aesthetics.
container=obj,
...

So in view page templates container and context have historically
always been the same. So far we said BBB trumps anything else here.

Hanno
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