Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-27 Thread Phil Harris

On Saturday 27 January 2001 03:26, Tres Seaver wrote:
 In the neverending "perfect Zope editor" jihad, "Phil Harris"
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on the side of the angels

 of light:
  I just did a search on google and came up with some
  interesting  Win32 versions of Vim 5.7.11:
 
  See http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/00index.txt
 
  Since the Python and TCL interpreters are built in it should
  be possible to add seamless FTP/WebDAV clients into Vim,
  cool!

 Even more insidious, consider:
  :py import Zope; app=Zope.app()

 ZEO + VIM is a r00ling IDE :)

 Tres.

Hmm, never thought of that, hmm.  (Phil starts thinking nice thoughts)

Phil

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-26 Thread Ragnar Beer

What's speedbar mode?

XEmacs (speedbar mode)

  Any ideas?

I had to, love makes you do strange things.

Oh, yes indeed ;)

Ragnar



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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-26 Thread Geoffrey L. Wright

Michel Pelletier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote:

[...]
  - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution, like
  cadaver making it work ;-)
 
 XEmacs

Is there a WebDAV mode for XEmacs?  Or perhaps a well understood way
of tying it to cadaver?  A bit of searching on both topic led to no
immediate clueful solutions.

I'm (hopefully) just about to run into a situation where I'm going to
start off-site development on another Zope project, but I need a more
secure way of editing than XEmacs/efs...

If there were a friendly way of tying XEmacs to cadaver that might
just be the ticket


//glw


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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-26 Thread A.J. Rossini

 "GLW" == Geoffrey L Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


GLW I'm (hopefully) just about to run into a situation where I'm
GLW going to start off-site development on another Zope project,
GLW but I need a more secure way of editing than XEmacs/efs...

One possible approach (unfortunately no code) -- (X)Emacs can speak
SSL (uses it, at least, for imap communication :-), so if Zope's ftp
server could be SSL wrapped...?

A related question -- is there any way to get Zope to listen to scp
(ssh's copy)?

(I'm interested in exactly the same thing, sigh...).

best,
-tony

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-26 Thread Phil Harris

You could use STunnel to wrap Zope in SSL, www.stunnel.org.

Works fine for me.

Phil

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Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]


  "GLW" == Geoffrey L Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 GLW I'm (hopefully) just about to run into a situation where I'm
 GLW going to start off-site development on another Zope project,
 GLW but I need a more secure way of editing than XEmacs/efs...

 One possible approach (unfortunately no code) -- (X)Emacs can speak
 SSL (uses it, at least, for imap communication :-), so if Zope's ftp
 server could be SSL wrapped...?

 A related question -- is there any way to get Zope to listen to scp
 (ssh's copy)?

 (I'm interested in exactly the same thing, sigh...).

 best,
 -tony

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-26 Thread Timothy Wilson

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Phil Harris wrote:

 You could use STunnel to wrap Zope in SSL, www.stunnel.org.

Phil,

Could you expand on this a bit? I would be very interested in wrapping all
access to "manage" in SSL. Is that possible?

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-26 Thread Tres Seaver

In the neverending "perfect Zope editor" jihad, "Phil Harris"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on the side of the angels
of light:

 I just did a search on google and came up with some
 interesting  Win32 versions of Vim 5.7.11:
 
 See http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/00index.txt
 
 Since the Python and TCL interpreters are built in it should
 be possible to add seamless FTP/WebDAV clients into Vim,
 cool!

Even more insidious, consider:

 :py import Zope; app=Zope.app()

ZEO + VIM is a r00ling IDE :)

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[Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Chris Withers

Tres Seaver wrote:
 
 I'm liking it a lot -- the last reason to even consider using
 emacs is gone :)

Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...

My wishlist would be:

- Runs nicely on NT4
- Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is dreamworld
stuff, DTML ;-)
- FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution, like
cadaver making it work ;-)
- Regular Expression search  replace
- search  replace of multiple files

and my dream list would be:

- can run multiple copies of the editor at once
- class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the editor for
Python 2)

Any ideas?

cheers,

Chris

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RE: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Max Møller Rasmussen

From: Chris Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...

Try www.ultraedit.com .

It's not free, but it ain't expensive, and I use it 12 hours/day with joy.
Has only crashed on me twice in 4 years.

regards Max M

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Dario Lopez-Kästen

Textpad www.textpad.com
EditPluswww.editplus.com

I am using TextPad mostly now. Of course, given the choice, I'd much rather
use BBEdit or Alpha on a Mac

/dario

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From: "Chris Withers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Tres Seaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:08 AM
Subject: [Zope] Editors [OT]


 Tres Seaver wrote:
 
  I'm liking it a lot -- the last reason to even consider using
  emacs is gone :)

 Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...

 My wishlist would be:

 - Runs nicely on NT4
 - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
dreamworld
 stuff, DTML ;-)
 - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution,
like
 cadaver making it work ;-)
 - Regular Expression search  replace
 - search  replace of multiple files

 and my dream list would be:

 - can run multiple copies of the editor at once
 - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the editor
for
 Python 2)

 Any ideas?

 cheers,

 Chris

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Wolfgang Strobl

On 25 Jan 2001, 10:08  Chris Withers wrote:

 Tres Seaver wrote:
  
  I'm liking it a lot -- the last reason to even consider using
  emacs is gone :)
 
 Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...

Why not use Riaan Booysens Boa Constructor IDE or Mark Hammonds 
PythonWin IDE? 

Boa: http://sourceforge.net/projects/boa-constructor/ 
Use the cvs checkout, not the 0.0.4 download from September, which is almost 
unuseable.

PythonWin: http://www.activestate.com/Products/ActivePython/

Both use the scintilla control (http://www.scintilla.org/), btw.

For pure Python work, especially for Windows specific stuff,  I prefer 
PythonWin. But for platform independent work and Zope works Boa Constructor 
looks very promising. 

It's pure Python and wxPython (i.a. wxWindows) based, it even comes with a 
first attempt of a Zope interface! I wonder that it doesn't get more publicity here. 
On the other hand, I noticed that Shane Hathaway is listed as one of the 
developers ...


 
 My wishlist would be:
 
 - Runs nicely on NT4

Well, I use Boa on Windows 2000, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't 
run as nicely on NT4, too.

 - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
 dreamworld stuff, DTML ;-) - 

Well, it does Python and DTML. :-)

Scintilla comes with syntax colouring for many languages and seems pretty 
extendable. I haven't checked the above list, though. 


 FTP or WebDAV editing built in as
 standard (or alternative solution, like cadaver making it work ;-) -
 Regular Expression search  replace - search  replace of multiple
 files

I've used the builtin ftp client for editing my Zope sites a few times for editing 
zope. It's a bit rough at the edges, but usable.

 
 and my dream list would be:
 
 - can run multiple copies of the editor at once

Well, it's possible to run multiple copies of Boa. It's only usefull when working 
on different projects concurrently, though. Usually I prefer opening many files in 
a single instance.

 - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the
 editor for Python 2)

That's a scintilla feature, so it comes for free (so to speak) with both PythonWin 
and Boa Constructur (and SciTE, Scintillas own tiny editor, of course).

- http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html


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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Oleg Broytmann

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
 Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
 My wishlist would be:

 - Runs nicely on NT4
 - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is dreamworld
 stuff, DTML ;-)
 - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution, like
 cadaver making it work ;-)
 - Regular Expression search  replace
 - search  replace of multiple files

   www.vim.org

Oleg.

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Phil Harris

Vim, seconded apart from the FTP and WebDAV bits ;), but using cadaver
sounds like a good option.

See also http://www.zope.org/Members/philh/vim_html for a small howto on
using Vim with FTP.


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From: "Oleg Broytmann" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Zope Mailing List" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]


 On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
  Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
  My wishlist would be:
 
  - Runs nicely on NT4
  - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
dreamworld
  stuff, DTML ;-)
  - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution,
like
  cadaver making it work ;-)
  - Regular Expression search  replace
  - search  replace of multiple files

www.vim.org

 Oleg.
 
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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Phil Harris

I just did a search on google and came up with some interesting  Win32
versions of Vim 5.7.11:

See http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/00index.txt

Since the Python and TCL interpreters are built in it should be possible to
add seamless FTP/WebDAV clients into Vim, cool!

http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/gvim57ole.zip
Gvim for win32 with ole support
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-perl-tcl.zip
Vim/GVim with Perl 5.6 and TCL 8.3.2 support
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-perl.zip
Vim/GVim with Perl 5.6 support
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-python-perl-tcl.zip
(G)Vim with Python 1.5.2, Perl 5.6, and TCL 8.3.2
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-python-perl.zip
Vim/GVim with Python 1.5.2 and Perl 5.6 support
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-python-tcl.zip
Vim/GVim with Python 1.5.2 and TCL 8.3.2 support
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-python.zip
Vim/GVim with Python 1.5.2 support
http://vim.sourceforge.net/bin_download/vim5.7.11-win32-tcl.zip
Vim/GVim with TCL 8.3.2 support


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To: "Oleg Broytmann" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Zope Mailing List"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]


 Vim, seconded apart from the FTP and WebDAV bits ;), but using cadaver
 sounds like a good option.

 See also http://www.zope.org/Members/philh/vim_html for a small howto on
 using Vim with FTP.


 - Original Message -
 From: "Oleg Broytmann" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: "Zope Mailing List" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]


  On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote:
   Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
   My wishlist would be:
  
   - Runs nicely on NT4
   - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
 dreamworld
   stuff, DTML ;-)
   - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution,
 like
   cadaver making it work ;-)
   - Regular Expression search  replace
   - search  replace of multiple files
 
 www.vim.org
 
  Oleg.
  
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[Zope] Mozilla and Zope (Was: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT])

2001-01-25 Thread Erik Enge

[Wolfgang Strobl]

| It's pure Python and wxPython (i.a. wxWindows) based, it even comes
| with a first attempt of a Zope interface! I wonder that it doesn't
| get more publicity here.  On the other hand, I noticed that Shane
| Hathaway is listed as one of the developers ...

I though DigiCool was developing a Zope interface with Mozilla, has
this been abandoned?

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Tom Deprez

Hi,

What about http://freshmeat.net/projects/boa-constructor/?highlight=boa ?

I heard about this yesterday from Godefroid. With some changes we perhaps
could add a Zope interface?

Tom.
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Subject: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]


 Textpad www.textpad.com
 EditPluswww.editplus.com

 I am using TextPad mostly now. Of course, given the choice, I'd much
rather
 use BBEdit or Alpha on a Mac

 /dario

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 From: "Chris Withers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: "Tres Seaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:08 AM
 Subject: [Zope] Editors [OT]


  Tres Seaver wrote:
  
   I'm liking it a lot -- the last reason to even consider using
   emacs is gone :)
 
  Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
 
  My wishlist would be:
 
  - Runs nicely on NT4
  - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
 dreamworld
  stuff, DTML ;-)
  - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution,
 like
  cadaver making it work ;-)
  - Regular Expression search  replace
  - search  replace of multiple files
 
  and my dream list would be:
 
  - can run multiple copies of the editor at once
  - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the
editor
 for
  Python 2)
 
  Any ideas?
 
  cheers,
 
  Chris
 
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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Phil Harris

Boa already has a Zope interface via FTP.

- Original Message -
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Subject: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]


 Hi,

 What about http://freshmeat.net/projects/boa-constructor/?highlight=boa ?

 I heard about this yesterday from Godefroid. With some changes we perhaps
 could add a Zope interface?

 Tom.
 - Original Message -
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 Subject: Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]


  Textpad www.textpad.com
  EditPluswww.editplus.com
 
  I am using TextPad mostly now. Of course, given the choice, I'd much
 rather
  use BBEdit or Alpha on a Mac
 
  /dario
 
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  From: "Chris Withers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: "Tres Seaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:08 AM
  Subject: [Zope] Editors [OT]
 
 
   Tres Seaver wrote:
   
I'm liking it a lot -- the last reason to even consider using
emacs is gone :)
  
   Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
  
   My wishlist would be:
  
   - Runs nicely on NT4
   - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
  dreamworld
   stuff, DTML ;-)
   - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution,
  like
   cadaver making it work ;-)
   - Regular Expression search  replace
   - search  replace of multiple files
  
   and my dream list would be:
  
   - can run multiple copies of the editor at once
   - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the
 editor
  for
   Python 2)
  
   Any ideas?
  
   cheers,
  
   Chris
  
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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Jason Cunliffe

check out HTML-Kit
http://www.chami.com/html-kit/#features

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From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [Zope] Editors [OT]


 Tres Seaver wrote:
 
  I'm liking it a lot -- the last reason to even consider using
  emacs is gone :)

 Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...

 My wishlist would be:

 - Runs nicely on NT4
 - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
dreamworld
 stuff, DTML ;-)
 - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution,
like
 cadaver making it work ;-)
 - Regular Expression search  replace
 - search  replace of multiple files

 and my dream list would be:

 - can run multiple copies of the editor at once
 - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the editor
for
 Python 2)

 Any ideas?



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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Mario Valente

At 10:08 1/25/01 +, Chris Withers wrote:
Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...

My wishlist would be:

- Runs nicely on NT4
- Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is
dreamworld
stuff, DTML ;-)
- FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution, like
cadaver making it work ;-)
- Regular Expression search  replace
- search  replace of multiple files

and my dream list would be:

- can run multiple copies of the editor at once


  You should look into

  Notetab Pro  at http://www.notetab.com/

  and

  40tude at http://www.40tude.com/html/


  The first one does all you request (FTP access) except DTML/Python
 syntax, although I'm sure there was a file around to do it.

  The second one already comes with Zope/DTML syntax highlighting
 builtin. You can get to the files using MS WebFolders (Webdav) or
 through alternatives.

  C U!

  -- Mario Valente



  

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Dan L. Pierson

Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hmmm... interesting, maybe it's time to find a new editor...
 
 My wishlist would be:
 
 - Runs nicely on NT4
 - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is dreamworld
 stuff, DTML ;-)
 - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution, like
 cadaver making it work ;-)
 - Regular Expression search  replace
 - search  replace of multiple files
 
 and my dream list would be:
 
 - can run multiple copies of the editor at once
 - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the editor for
 Python 2)

XEmacs :-) (what I used for the last few years on NT)

Visual SlickEdit (maybe you can finish my Python support -- I think
it's now available from the VSE site).

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread seb bacon


 - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the editor for
 Python 2)

would

  http://www.beopen.com/products/oobrowser/oobrowser_overview.html

be any use?

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Re: [Zope] Editors [OT]

2001-01-25 Thread Michel Pelletier

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Chris Withers wrote:

 My wishlist would be:
 
 - Runs nicely on NT4

XEmacs

 - Syntax highlighting for Python, C, XML, HTML (and, although this is dreamworld
 stuff, DTML ;-)

XEmacs

 - FTP or WebDAV editing built in as standard (or alternative solution, like
 cadaver making it work ;-)

XEmacs

 - Regular Expression search  replace

XEmacs

 - search  replace of multiple files

XEmacs

 and my dream list would be:
 
 - can run multiple copies of the editor at once

XEmacs (but who needs more than one emacs?)

 - class browser for python, with expand/collapse of code (like the editor for
 Python 2)

XEmacs (speedbar mode)

 Any ideas?

I had to, love makes you do strange things.

-Michel


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