Re: [Zope] Help need for a Zope presentation to java lovers...
On 8/17/05, Chris McDonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I only meant that it would get dynamic data using XML-RPC queries, but I > > already have an efficient product for this, so it's not an issue. > > > > So what they want is a Web Management Framework and CMS system. > > And they wonder if Zope is better than a JSP/Struts/Velocity solution. Please, give us a feedback about your presentation. ;) It's a very interesting topic to discuss. Fernando Lujan ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Help need for a Zope presentation to java lovers...
On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 16:02 +0100, Pascal Peregrina wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Ooops... Reading your reply shows me that I was unclear ;) > > Zope will be the CMS system of the architecture (so it will render HTML). Ah. Well, it's not too bad at doing that either. ;-) > I only meant that it would get dynamic data using XML-RPC queries, but I > already have an efficient product for this, so it's not an issue. > > So what they want is a Web Management Framework and CMS system. > And they wonder if Zope is better than a JSP/Struts/Velocity solution. Considering you're likely the one that will be implementing it, I'd say so as you know Zope very well. But they're probably thinking "strategically" (which IMO is a mistake ;-). > Don't get me wrong, I have been using Zope for almost 2 years now, I love > it. > The problem is that I don't do any Java development since then so I miss > knowledge about Java evolutions in terms of Web Management Framework and CMS > systems. I don't know much about Struts either, sorry. I have never actually implemented a CMS using Java so I may be the wrong person to speak up. I did give a minor look-see to Cocoon lately and was distinctly unimpressed because it doesn't do some things that you just take for granted in Zope (declarative security being the big one). - C ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Help need for a Zope presentation to java lovers...
Hi Chris, Ooops... Reading your reply shows me that I was unclear ;) Zope will be the CMS system of the architecture (so it will render HTML). I only meant that it would get dynamic data using XML-RPC queries, but I already have an efficient product for this, so it's not an issue. So what they want is a Web Management Framework and CMS system. And they wonder if Zope is better than a JSP/Struts/Velocity solution. Don't get me wrong, I have been using Zope for almost 2 years now, I love it. The problem is that I don't do any Java development since then so I miss knowledge about Java evolutions in terms of Web Management Framework and CMS systems. So any links, advice, opinion, experience would be appreciated. Thanks a lot. Pascal -Original Message- From: Chris McDonough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 August 2005 15:47 To: Pascal Peregrina Cc: zope@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] Help need for a Zope presentation to java lovers... Zope excels at providing web services via XML-RPC. Basically: - You need to do exactly nothing to make a Zope application accessible via XML-RPC. - When Zope isn't responsible for rendering HTML, it can be quite fast. - Zope is capable of interfacing transactionally with many data stores. - C On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 12:59 +0100, Pascal Peregrina wrote: > Hi, > > I know that this is an unusual request, but if some of you have some > time to help me on this it would be great ! > > Basically, I can summarize the question I will have to answer this way : > "why should we use Zope 2 instead of JSP/struts" ? > > All the business logic of the company is implemented in services that > talk to backend and can be queried through xmlrpc (so this is fine for > Zope integration). > > So the context is to use Zope or JSP/struts to manage the presentation > layer. > > I am currently planning to talk about built-in ZMI and transaction > management, TAL, ... > > Thanks a lot for your help. > > Pascal > > > ** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ** > > ___ > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Help need for a Zope presentation to java lovers...
Zope excels at providing web services via XML-RPC. Basically: - You need to do exactly nothing to make a Zope application accessible via XML-RPC. - When Zope isn't responsible for rendering HTML, it can be quite fast. - Zope is capable of interfacing transactionally with many data stores. - C On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 12:59 +0100, Pascal Peregrina wrote: > Hi, > > I know that this is an unusual request, but if some of you have some time to > help me on this it would be great ! > > Basically, I can summarize the question I will have to answer this way : > "why should we use Zope 2 instead of JSP/struts" ? > > All the business logic of the company is implemented in services that talk > to backend and can be queried through xmlrpc (so this is fine for Zope > integration). > > So the context is to use Zope or JSP/struts to manage the presentation > layer. > > I am currently planning to talk about built-in ZMI and transaction > management, TAL, ... > > Thanks a lot for your help. > > Pascal > > > ** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ** > > ___ > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Help need for a Zope presentation to java lovers...
Hi, I know that this is an unusual request, but if some of you have some time to help me on this it would be great ! Basically, I can summarize the question I will have to answer this way : "why should we use Zope 2 instead of JSP/struts" ? All the business logic of the company is implemented in services that talk to backend and can be queried through xmlrpc (so this is fine for Zope integration). So the context is to use Zope or JSP/struts to manage the presentation layer. I am currently planning to talk about built-in ZMI and transaction management, TAL, ... Thanks a lot for your help. Pascal ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
