Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Winkler
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 08:31:29PM +0100, Maciej Wisniowski wrote: > > As for me, I am lazy. ZPT does things in a way that few other frameworks do, > > although Ruby's Amrita2 sort of resembles ZPT. Not really. It's more closely related to the Meld family (pymeld, pymeldlite, meld3), and to XMLC.

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-09 Thread Maciej Wisniowski
> As for me, I am lazy. ZPT does things in a way that few other frameworks do, > although Ruby's Amrita2 sort of resembles ZPT. > Displaying phantom text in a static page which will > not be there dynamically is not superior to DTML. > It is just more confusing. I have never learned ZPT > well an

RE: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-09 Thread Mark, Jonathan (Integic)
nal Message- From: Dieter Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:01 PM To: Andreas Jung Cc: Mark, Jonathan (Integic); zope@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do? Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-1-8 19:08 +0100: > ... >

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-09 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-1-8 19:08 +0100: > ... >The question is: what is easier to learn and to understand - DTML or ZPT? >Can you explain the "nonsense" of the _ namespace in DTML to a newbie? Sure. There is only one caveat: that two positional arguments need to be passed for recursive calls

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-09 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 9. Januar 2007 07:47:28 + Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: The question is: what is easier to learn and to understand - DTML or ZPT? The correct answer is, of course, Twiddler ;-) http://www.simplistix.co.uk/software/python/twiddler Yes, you dese

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-09 Thread Chris Withers
Andreas Jung wrote: The question is: what is easier to learn and to understand - DTML or ZPT? The correct answer is, of course, Twiddler ;-) http://www.simplistix.co.uk/software/python/twiddler Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simpli

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-08 Thread John Schinnerer
Aloha, Mark, Jonathan (Integic) wrote: What does matter is that DTML is very similar to RHTML (as in Ruby On Rails), ASP, etc. ZPT requires a new way of thinking. I would much rather convert RHTML to or from DTML than to or from ZPT. So I don't really get the benefit of using ZPT. The fact that

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-08 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 8. Januar 2007 13:01:26 -0500 "Mark, Jonathan (Integic)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: """Why (the hell) are you (still) using DTML (as newbie). You are strongly encouraged to use ZPT.""" My sense is that ZPT solves a problem which for most of us does not exist. If you wish to have design

Re: [Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-08 Thread JPenny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/08/2007 01:01:26 PM: > """Why (the hell) are you (still) using DTML (as newbie). You are strongly > encouraged to use ZPT.""" > > My sense is that ZPT solves a problem which for most of us does not > exist. If you wish to have designers work directly on markup in a

[Zope] Isn't DTML more like what other frameworks do?

2007-01-08 Thread Mark, Jonathan (Integic)
"""Why (the hell) are you (still) using DTML (as newbie). You are strongly encouraged to use ZPT.""" My sense is that ZPT solves a problem which for most of us does not exist. If you wish to have designers work directly on markup in an HTML WYSIWYG editor then yes, ZPT is great. But most of us