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Rob Page wrote:
We've been asked to share the membership of the
committee we have helping with the formation documents
for the Zope Foundation.
We're grateful to the following people for sharing
their valuable time to participate:
o Takeshi
Rob Page wrote:
We've been asked to share the membership of the
committee we have helping with the formation documents
for the Zope Foundation.
We're grateful to the following people for sharing
their valuable time to participate:
o Takeshi Yamamoto, CEO, Zope Japan KK
o Jan Smith, OzZope
o
Hadar Pedhazur wrote:
Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
Can the name of people that are part of this small committee be
published ? I'd like to know who might be representing me, this way I
can ask him or them about the direction taken and maybe actually give
them my opinion.
I don't
Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
Hadar Pedhazur wrote:
Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
Can the name of people that are part of this small committee be
published ? I'd like to know who might be representing me, this way I
can ask him or them about the direction taken and maybe actually give
them
Hadar Pedhazur wrote:
Andreas Jung wrote:
What is the current status of the ZF?
The process is proceeding swiftly, and hopefully smoothly. We have draft
documents of the TM Agreement and the By-Laws, and are well along the
way to drafts of the IP Policy and the remaining documents.
We
Hadar Pedhazur wrote:
We have had _numerous_ discussions (all in email) with two members of
ZEA. We came to an agreement and all seemed perfectly on target, which
is why we began all of the other ZF documents and committee meetings, etc.
Unfortunately, ZEA never delivered a single draft of
Whoops. Sorry. I would have replied to the list, except that I didn't
realize that you wrote to the list when I saw it in my personal email.
Here it is :-)
Original Message
Subject: Re: Zope Foundation?
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 10:20:00 -0400
From: Godefroid Chapelle [EMAIL
Matt Hamilton wrote:
Hadar,
These are serious claims. I talked to Paul who looked into it and
gave me the following information. Note that, since the negotiations
are finished and the terms are agreed to, we can talk about this with
whomever is interested.
We have always been here to
Andreas Jung wrote:
What is the current status of the ZF?
The process is proceeding swiftly, and hopefully smoothly. We have draft
documents of the TM Agreement and the By-Laws, and are well along the
way to drafts of the IP Policy and the remaining documents.
We have formed a small
Hi Christian,
Thanks for this long and balanced post.
Far less heated than I (or other hot people of the community) can produce.
I hope ZC will take time to answer your legitimate questions...
I suppose you'll await some progress on the negotiation before joining
us in ZEA...
BTW, do you
Hi!
Thanks for this long and balanced post.
Far less heated than I (or other hot people of the community) can produce.
I hope ZC will take time to answer your legitimate questions...
I'd also prefer some answers by some independant people regarding legal
topics (as long as it can be told
Hi!
Andrew Milton wrote:
You took someone else's work and claimed it as your own. This is the worst
crime
you can commit in the Open Source world.
I think it's not really a discussion about Open Source here as it should
make no difference to the Zope community whether ZC or ZEA is
(Sorry about the lateness of this post, a combination of interesting SMTP
blocks + Zope mailing list policies made this message not come through the
first time around, which was the 20th of July. I discovered this today
while browsing the archives.)
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:07:25 +0200, Rob
--On 26. Juli 2005 22:40:18 +0200 Alexander Limi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They did the work on our behalf, and most excellently executed the
worldwide registration of the mark. The trademarks were transferred fully
to the
Plone Foundation as agreed.
So any idea why the WIPO database tell us
I would like to inform that ZEA is in the process to transfer the trademark to Zope Corporation. A number of actions will be taken including the preparation of the list of expenses to secure the trademark, and meetings with our trademark expert to work on the administrative details. We would like
+---[ Xavier Heymans ]--
| I would like to inform that ZEA is in the process to transfer the trademark to
| Zope Corporation. A number of actions will be taken including the preparation
| of the list of expenses to secure the trademark, and meetings with our
| trademark
Andreas Jung wrote at 2005-7-21 08:29 +0200:
... ZEA silently registering the Zope logo ...
If it wasn't a secret I am sure that ZC would know about the secret.
This reminds me a discussion between two business students:
They planned how to make money with little effort.
Their business
HAHAHHAHA!!! LOL!
Man! There has got to be some humor in this at some point!
Honestly, though, I appreciate your discussions being held here. I
truly appreciate the fact that I have Zope to work with and offer to
my customers. I feel that I owe that thanks not only to Zope
Corporation, but to
Andreas Jung wrote:
--On 20. Juli 2005 19:17:59 -0500 George Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hadar Pedhazur wrote:
ZC says: the marks were stolen
ZEA seems to be saying: the marks were registered defensively.
My read on this is that there is a serious communication problem going
on
--On 21. Juli 2005 08:02:32 +0200 robert rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I am a casual watcher of what happens in the Zope community (I only check
the development things actively).
However I believe that I knew that ZE did register the Zope logo.
(All tough instinctively I would have to
Am Mittwoch, den 20.07.2005, 19:17 -0500 schrieb George Donnelly:
Hadar Pedhazur wrote:
ZC says: the marks were stolen
ZEA seems to be saying: the marks were registered defensively.
My read on this is that there is a serious communication problem going
on here between the lines. Why
Tino Wildenhain wrote:
The statement of ZC indicates they want to transfer their trademark
to ZF and now find the european trademark in other hands. OTOH, why
not just transfer/licence what they have (the .us trademark) and
just agree to ZEA transfer/licence the european trademark to ZF
too?
George Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ZC says: the marks were stolen
ZEA seems to be saying: the marks were registered defensively.
I am amazed at how people pick and choose what to read and
repeat, and what to ignore. I will mix in a few quotes from
a few
Hadar Pedhazur wrote:
Beyond that point, _we_ are the first registrants of the
ZOPE trademark in WIPO. ZEA registered our LOGO, not the
word ZOPE, which we registered _before_ they registered the
LOGO. So, everyone, please pay attention. We did _not_
ignore our trademark rights in Europe. We
Hadar Pedhazur wrote:
George Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Making either side into the bad guy is not only innacurate but also
inappropriate and is not conducive to building a community around the
software we all love and are grateful to ZC and non-ZC
ZC: Potay-to.
ZEA: Potah-to.
ZC: Potay-to!
ZEA: Potah-to!
ZC: Potay-to!!
ZEA: Potah-to!!
ZC: POTAY-TO, you evil thief!!!
ZEA: POTAH-TO you dictatiorial pig!!
Not a communications problem? My ass.
___
Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org
Pre-amble: I post this as a principal in a decently-sized Zope-focused
business in the UK. Our company is also partnering with ZEA for some
work. I will try to correct some of Rob's factual errors, and set the
record straight for some of the issues discussed here.
I am not an official
--On 20. Juli 2005 12:43:22 +0100 Matt Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
ZEA's registration represents an abuse of registration
and management of international trademarks and the
misappropriation of a mark that is clearly the property
of Zope Corporation.
So why is Zope Foundation
Andreas Jung wrote:
--On 20. Juli 2005 12:43:22 +0100 Matt Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
ZEA's registration represents an abuse of registration
and management of international trademarks and the
misappropriation of a mark that is clearly the property
of Zope Corporation.
So
Hi Godefroid,
Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
It's definitely better to speak about it in the open air, where we all
will be able to think about it together.
Amen.
I wasn't aware of this until ten minutes ago, and now it seems a whole
bunch of stuff has gone on, up to and including people getting
Philip Kilner wrote:
This has the potential to make the Zope community look like muppets, and
not in a good Swedish chef kind of way...
I'm not sure muppetism applies to the Zope community, it appears to be
Zope Corporation who are coming out of this looking less than clever.
It's a shame,
Hi Chris,
Chris Withers wrote:
This has the potential to make the Zope community look like muppets, and
not in a good Swedish chef kind of way...
I'm not sure muppetism applies to the Zope community, it appears to be
Zope Corporation who are coming out of this looking less than clever.
Philip Kilner wrote:
Agreed/understood - but ZC are part of the community, too - the BDFL
part, I guess.
Well, ZC are becoming less benign and more dictatorial, and that's where
the BDFL model breaks down...
Chris
--
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting
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Godefroid Chapelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is nothing against the ZF : there is sthing against ZC being the
sole owner of the TMs when the current value of it has been established
by the community as a whole, especially out of USA.
This is why I support the proposal made by a few
Dave Kuhlman wrote:
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 07:07:25PM -0400, Rob Page wrote:
[snip]
During my stay at EuroPython I learned that eighteen
months ago (and without Zope Corporation's knowledge or
consent) Zope Europe Association (ZEA) registered a
trademark consisting of the Cirlce-Z (the
Florent Guillaume wrote:
The current state of what ZC proposes doesn't prevent anyone from doing
anything reasonable.
Give them your hand, and they'll ask for your arm...
Indeed. I don't have any problem with ZC keeping the trademarks, but why
are they tying the creation of the foundation
Hadar Pedhazur wrote:
ZC says: the marks were stolen
ZEA seems to be saying: the marks were registered defensively.
My read on this is that there is a serious communication problem going
on here between the lines. Why doesn't Paul come out and state what the
ZEA position is? Why are ZC's words
Everybody needs to calm down, stop insulting each other and stop
broadcasting this problem to the whole world on zope-announce (for
example). Its making us all look childish.
+1. Please folks, remember that this is a public venue and your
words will be archived for a long time. Let's have no
--On 20. Juli 2005 19:17:59 -0500 George Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hadar Pedhazur wrote:
ZC says: the marks were stolen
ZEA seems to be saying: the marks were registered defensively.
My read on this is that there is a serious communication problem going
on here between the lines.
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