[Zope] ZStylesheet, Whoops, hold that problem!

2006-03-27 Thread John Huttley

I've just realised  it was a bit of TAL that  ZSS had put in there.

sorry about that--

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[Zope] Re: Re: [Zope] ZStylesheet

2000-07-16 Thread Guest User

Thanks for the encouragement George. By the way, my director uses Netscape 4 :-(

Neil

 try http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/Core/
 
 dont give up on css yet! frankly i woudnt even worry about netscape 4.x,
 
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  Warning: This is a 'get it off my chest' e-mail.
  
  Well, I am going to give up with CSS. I am sure ZStylesheet is a fine
  product, its just that CSS implementations lets it down.
  
  I have struggled for ages to get anything more sophisticated than
  font-family* to work on both IE5 and Netscape 4.6 - no chance. It seems
  they have both implemented CSS from a different hymn sheet :-( Basically,
  nothing to do with sizes works the same, and it boils down to Netscape
  ignoring the inheritance model of CSS. table rows and cells are a
  particular mystery.
  
  If anyone has cracked it and has developed a ZStylesheet which can second
  guess both browsers, please let me know. Until then, I will go back to
  using font sizeng
  things to worry about.
  
  Regards
  
  Neil
  
  *even font-family doesn't work for the BODY selector. Tables in Netscape
  ignore it so you have to use BODY TR TD as the selector.
 
 
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Re: [Zope] Re: Re: [Zope] ZStylesheet

2000-07-16 Thread George Donnelly

h. thats too bad. you should upgrade him to mozilla at least ... :-)

seriously tho i think (havent tried it) that the stylesheets at w3c will get
as muuch mileage out of nn4 as possible ( tho you probably knew this
already)

well hth

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 Thanks for the encouragement George. By the way, my director uses Netscape 4
 :-(
 
 Neil
 
 try http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/Core/
 
 dont give up on css yet! frankly i woudnt even worry about netscape 4.x,


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Re: [Zope] ZStylesheet

2000-07-16 Thread Chris Withers

Neil Burnett wrote:
 Well, I am going to give up with CSS. I am sure ZStylesheet is a fine
 product, its just that CSS implementations lets it down.

I find the following page really useful:
http://webreview.com/wr/pub/guides/style/mastergrid.html

It lists exactly what does and doesn't work in CSS on all the major
browsers.

Of course Luis made a very valid point, validate your HTML first before
you worry about CSS. I find Dreamweaver 3's checks for browser
compatability quite useful here as well.

Of course, nothing beats plain checking all your pages on loads of
different browsers ;-)

cheers,

Chris

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Re: [Zope] ZStylesheet

2000-07-16 Thread Neil Burnett

Chris

Thanks for that. I know and use their (much shorter) safe list:

http://webreview.com/wr/pub/guides/style/safegrid.html

I do use styles to get rid of font face color from throughout my pages
although I try and use small and big for font sizes. Anything more
sophisticated than that seems to cause all sorts of problems. (View
http://neil.efc.be:8080/test/test.html in more than one browser for a
couple of simple examples of oddities.)

Thanks to all for the tip on broken html - syntax errors can always mislead.

I guess I'll just have to cope with the real world :-)

Regards

Neil
At 19:56 16/07/2000 +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
Neil Burnett wrote:
 Well, I am going to give up with CSS. I am sure ZStylesheet is a fine
 product, its just that CSS implementations lets it down.

I find the following page really useful:
http://webreview.com/wr/pub/guides/style/mastergrid.html

It lists exactly what does and doesn't work in CSS on all the major
browsers.

Of course Luis made a very valid point, validate your HTML first before
you worry about CSS. I find Dreamweaver 3's checks for browser
compatability quite useful here as well.

Of course, nothing beats plain checking all your pages on loads of
different browsers ;-)

cheers,

Chris


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Re: [Zope] ZStylesheet

2000-07-16 Thread Loren Stafford

I found the series of articles on CSS compatibility at www.webreview.com
helpful in sorting out the incompatibilities and finding a middle ground
that would work.

-- Loren

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Subject: [Zope] ZStylesheet


 Warning: This is a 'get it off my chest' e-mail.

 Well, I am going to give up with CSS. I am sure ZStylesheet is a fine
 product, its just that CSS implementations lets it down.

 I have struggled for ages to get anything more sophisticated than
 font-family* to work on both IE5 and Netscape 4.6 - no chance. It seems
 they have both implemented CSS from a different hymn sheet :-( Basically,
 nothing to do with sizes works the same, and it boils down to Netscape
 ignoring the inheritance model of CSS. table rows and cells are a
 particular mystery.

 If anyone has cracked it and has developed a ZStylesheet which can second
 guess both browsers, please let me know. Until then, I will go back to
 using font size="12pt" or whatever. Shame, but I have more interesting
 things to worry about.

 Regards

 Neil

 *even font-family doesn't work for the BODY selector. Tables in Netscape
 ignore it so you have to use BODY TR TD as the selector.

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[Zope] ZStylesheet

2000-07-15 Thread Neil Burnett

Warning: This is a 'get it off my chest' e-mail.

Well, I am going to give up with CSS. I am sure ZStylesheet is a fine
product, its just that CSS implementations lets it down.

I have struggled for ages to get anything more sophisticated than
font-family* to work on both IE5 and Netscape 4.6 - no chance. It seems
they have both implemented CSS from a different hymn sheet :-( Basically,
nothing to do with sizes works the same, and it boils down to Netscape
ignoring the inheritance model of CSS. table rows and cells are a
particular mystery.

If anyone has cracked it and has developed a ZStylesheet which can second
guess both browsers, please let me know. Until then, I will go back to
using font size="12pt" or whatever. Shame, but I have more interesting
things to worry about.

Regards

Neil

*even font-family doesn't work for the BODY selector. Tables in Netscape
ignore it so you have to use BODY TR TD as the selector.

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Re: [Zope] ZStylesheet

2000-07-15 Thread Martijn Pieters

On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 09:40:58PM +0200, Neil Burnett wrote:
 Warning: This is a 'get it off my chest' e-mail.
 
 Well, I am going to give up with CSS. I am sure ZStylesheet is a fine
 product, its just that CSS implementations lets it down.
 
 I have struggled for ages to get anything more sophisticated than
 font-family* to work on both IE5 and Netscape 4.6 - no chance. It seems
 they have both implemented CSS from a different hymn sheet :-( Basically,
 nothing to do with sizes works the same, and it boils down to Netscape
 ignoring the inheritance model of CSS. table rows and cells are a
 particular mystery.
 
 If anyone has cracked it and has developed a ZStylesheet which can second
 guess both browsers, please let me know. Until then, I will go back to
 using font size="12pt" or whatever. Shame, but I have more interesting
 things to worry about.

CSS in current 4.x and IE 5 is a nightmare. There are lobying groups you can
join, like the web standard initiative.

Mozilla does an excellent job of fully implementing CSS1, and practically all
of CSS2 as well. Opera also has a good stab at it, all the test pages list
that as a good 2nd. Until Netscape 6 is out (based on Moz), don't count on CSS
being all that useful.

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Re: [Zope] ZStylesheet

2000-07-15 Thread Luis Cortes

Neil,

I don't know if you are aware of this, but netscape really gets
confused if you don't have end-tags for TR and TD (this just might be part of
the problem you are facing ).

Hope this helps a little,
Luis.


On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Neil Burnett wrote:
 Warning: This is a 'get it off my chest' e-mail.
 
 Well, I am going to give up with CSS. I am sure ZStylesheet is a fine
 product, its just that CSS implementations lets it down.
 
 I have struggled for ages to get anything more sophisticated than
 font-family* to work on both IE5 and Netscape 4.6 - no chance. It seems
 they have both implemented CSS from a different hymn sheet :-( Basically,
 nothing to do with sizes works the same, and it boils down to Netscape
 ignoring the inheritance model of CSS. table rows and cells are a
 particular mystery.
 
 If anyone has cracked it and has developed a ZStylesheet which can second
 guess both browsers, please let me know. Until then, I will go back to
 using font size="12pt" or whatever. Shame, but I have more interesting
 things to worry about.
 
 Regards
 
 Neil
 
 *even font-family doesn't work for the BODY selector. Tables in Netscape
 ignore it so you have to use BODY TR TD as the selector.
 
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Re: [Zope] ZStylesheet

2000-07-15 Thread Maik Roeder

Hi Neil !

Neil Burnett wrote:
 
 Warning: This is a 'get it off my chest' e-mail.
 
 Well, I am going to give up with CSS. I am sure ZStylesheet is a fine
 product, its just that CSS implementations lets it down.

Well, perhaps you can have a look at the Web Designers Portal
under the subject Stype and Topic CSS.

http://zdp.zope.org/portals/webdesigners/style/css

There are some good reasons for CSS, that I have collected
there. Maybe you can also have a look at the link, which you
can find there to Webreview.com's CSS Master Compatibility 
Chart.

Best regards,

Maik Röder

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Re: [Zope] ZStylesheet

2000-07-15 Thread George Donnelly

try http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/Core/

dont give up on css yet! frankly i woudnt even worry about netscape 4.x,

Regards,
GEORGE DONNELLY
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http://cyklotron.com/
The one who tells the stories rules the world. --Hopi proverb


 Warning: This is a 'get it off my chest' e-mail.
 
 Well, I am going to give up with CSS. I am sure ZStylesheet is a fine
 product, its just that CSS implementations lets it down.
 
 I have struggled for ages to get anything more sophisticated than
 font-family* to work on both IE5 and Netscape 4.6 - no chance. It seems
 they have both implemented CSS from a different hymn sheet :-( Basically,
 nothing to do with sizes works the same, and it boils down to Netscape
 ignoring the inheritance model of CSS. table rows and cells are a
 particular mystery.
 
 If anyone has cracked it and has developed a ZStylesheet which can second
 guess both browsers, please let me know. Until then, I will go back to
 using font size="12pt" or whatever. Shame, but I have more interesting
 things to worry about.
 
 Regards
 
 Neil
 
 *even font-family doesn't work for the BODY selector. Tables in Netscape
 ignore it so you have to use BODY TR TD as the selector.


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[Zope] ZStylesheet multiple browser question

2000-07-11 Thread Neil Burnett

I am new to ZStyleSheet.

How do I create a rule which is different for, say, IE and Netscape?

E.g.

If I want a color to be red in IE and blue everywhere else (just an 
example :-) I can't do it in the same rule as attribute ids have to 
be unique, but they are also the name of the selector attribute.

Is it right to create two rules (myclass_ie and 
myclass_everythingelse) or is there a better way?

Thanks in advance

Neil



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