On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Christopher Lozinski
lozin...@freerecruiting.com wrote:
I would think that the world has to move to massive class libraries of
reusable software components, maybe not on the client side, because it
takes time to download, but certainly on the server side. Not
Wops. I have no idea why this thread popped up in my inbox today. Sorry.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Christopher Lozinski
lozin...@freerecruiting.com wrote:
I would think that the world has to move to massive
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Christopher Lozinski wrote:
On 8/4/14, 7:09 AM, Andreas Jung wrote:
You are arguing and blathering every other year the same nonsense
without any outcome.
There has been a huge outcome. I now recognize that grok and ZTK are
a human
On 8/4/14, 7:09 AM, Andreas Jung wrote:
You are arguing and blathering every other year the same nonsense
without any outcome.
There has been a huge outcome. I now recognize that grok and ZTK are a
human factors disaster. It is way too complex for an ordinary mortal to
begin using. I was
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Christopher Lozinski wrote:
On 7/31/14, 9:13 PM, Fernando Martins wrote:
I wonder if it was not a case of over-engineering that helped
zope's community fragmentation.
That is correct. You know the famous saying by P.J. Eby
Those who do not
On 7/31/14, 9:13 PM, Fernando Martins wrote:
I wonder if it was not a case of over-engineering that helped zope's
community fragmentation.
That is correct. You know the famous saying by P.J. Eby
Those who do not study Zope, are condemned to reinvent it.
Well that is because every concept
On 7/30/14 6:07 AM, Christopher Lozinski wrote:
On 7/30/14, 2:11 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
Maybe, but Unix file system development is at least 36 years old.
Heheh, touché.
Some reasons many Zope developers may have moved on, with a tear in
their eye:
- fashion
- community
- maintaining
On 07/31/2014 06:33 AM, Christopher Lozinski wrote:
On 7/30/14, 10:50 PM, Fernando Martins wrote:
I don't know about ZTK, Grok.
...
Okay so that tells you what ZTK and Grok are. Back to your application.
I never needed it directly and I wonder if it was not a case of
over-engineering that
I have a basic version of Zopache running internally. It is a zope-2
like ZMI running on top of
grok on top of ZTK. ZTK is really very nicely written.
Grok makes it so much easier to use the ZTK.
I an focused on using it to build my next generation recruiting website,
but it would be good to
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Christopher Lozinski wrote:
It is very very hard to find anyone who both appreciates TTW
development, and understands the multiple layers of ZTK and Grok.
Guess why? Because it is technology of the last decade and everybody
moved on?!
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On 7/30/14, 3:59 PM, Eric Bréhault wrote:
Hello,
Did you have a look to Substance D
? http://substanced.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
Yes I did. Thank you. Someone on the Grok mailing list mentioned it.
My understanding is that Pyramid is based on ZTK, but not on Grok.
Personally I find ZTK
Hello,
Did you have a look to Substance D ?
http://substanced.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
It is based on Pyramid, it uses a ZODB for storage, and it provides a ZMI
like management interface.
And you can use all the good ZCA stuff if you want to.
Eric
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 12:56 PM,
On 7/30/14, 2:11 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
Guess why? Because it is technology of the last decade
Maybe, but Unix file system development is at least 36 years old.
Is that what you are still using? Technology from the last century?
On 7/30/14, 6:32 PM, zopyxfil...@gmail.com wrote:
Pyramid uses _some_ ZTK modules internally however the ZTK stuff
is not exposed to Pyramid.
Thank You. That is why I love Grok and ZTK. It is this rich library
of extensible python components conforming to ZCA.
Maybe Pyramid is closer to a
Christopher Lozinski wrote:
On 7/30/14, 6:32 PM, zopyxfil...@gmail.com wrote:
Pyramid uses _some_ ZTK modules internally however the ZTK stuff
is not exposed to Pyramid.
Thank You. That is why I love Grok and ZTK. It is this rich library
of extensible python components conforming to ZCA.
On 7/30/14, 8:01 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
I am only sorry that more people are not actively developing on Grok and
ZCA.
This is your annual complaint for 2014?
It is not a complaint. It is really more of a question. Let me spell
it out in detail.
I would think that the world has to move
On 07/30/2014 12:56 PM, Christopher Lozinski wrote:
I have a basic version of Zopache running internally. It is a zope-2
like ZMI running on top of
grok on top of ZTK. ZTK is really very nicely written.
Grok makes it so much easier to use the ZTK.
I an focused on using it to build my next
On 7/30/14, 10:50 PM, Fernando Martins wrote:
I don't know about ZTK, Grok.
Well let me start of by describing them, and some history, so that we
are all on the page. At the risk of overloading the term, so that we
share the same context.
First there was Zope 2. It was pretty cool for its
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