Re: [Zope] newbie changingover to zope from html/cgi??

2000-06-18 Thread Cary O'Brien

 can i replace javascript with python/DTML. I have used drop down menus in
 the pages using javascript. Is these available in Zope or is there some
 way of using these.

I'd keep the drop-down menus in javascript.  You can do similar things
in zope (i.e. the tree tag or the tab bar at the top of the management
interface), but then every change is a fetch back to the web server.
If you keep the javascript then it all happens at the client.

If you want you can generate the javascript with dhtml.  That way
the contents of the menus can follow your site.  You'd have to set the
comtent type so that the browser thinks it is javascript. (hmm, how
is javascript cached??)


-- cary

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[Zope] newbie changingover to zope from html/cgi??

2000-06-17 Thread Rajil Saraswat

On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Rajil Saraswat wrote:

 Hi,
 I am newbie to zope(infact installed it yesterday). Just impressed with
 its capabilities. But there are somethings i cant figure out. 
 
 I want to transfer a whole website containg javascript/html/cgi on
 zope. how do i do it. is it possible.
 
 Do i need to have zope on the ISP for my zope website to run.
 
 I only have ftp access on my ISP. Which files should i transfer so that
 the zope application works. btw i couldnot locate the files/database on my
 system about the webiste i am building. where is the database for the
 application kept.
 
 I donot know python but do know perl, can i add modules to zope in perl.
 
 Thanks.
 
 


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RE: [Zope] newbie changingover to zope from html/cgi??

2000-06-17 Thread Rajil Saraswat

can i replace javascript with python/DTML. I have used drop down menus in
the pages using javascript. Is these available in Zope or is there some
way of using these.
Is there some book released on zope/DTML for reference. 
Does this mean a complete rewrite of the code is required of all the
javascript and cgi files , or is there some method to convert them to
DTML.
Thanks 
On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Richard Folwell wrote:

 Hi Rajil,
 
   I want to transfer a whole website containg javascript/html/cgi on
   zope. how do i do it. is it possible.
 
 You would have to re-write the scripts, using DTML/Python as appropriate.  The HTML 
remains the
 same.
 
   Do i need to have zope on the ISP for my zope website to run.
 
 Yes.
 
   I only have ftp access on my ISP. Which files should i transfer so that
   the zope application works. btw i couldnot locate the files/database on my
   system about the webiste i am building. where is the database for the
   application kept.
 
 You will definitely need an ISP that provides Zope support before you can do this.  
The Zope
 database is normally:
 
 your Zope root/var/Data.fs
 
   I donot know python but do know perl, can i add modules to zope in perl.
 
 There are plans to provide Perl support, but this is for the future.  For the moment 
learn Python -
 if you already know Perl then it will be straightforward, since they cover similar 
territory.
 Python has some advantages over Perl, particularly for larger development works.
 
 Hope that helps,
 
 Richard
 
 
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RE: [Zope] newbie changingover to zope from html/cgi??

2000-06-17 Thread Stephan Richter

At 12:12 AM 6/18/00 +0530, you wrote:
can i replace javascript with python/DTML. I have used drop down menus in
the pages using javascript. Is these available in Zope or is there some
way of using these.

Javascript is client based, whereby Zope handles only server-side 
activities similar to CGI. You usually have no way to replace Javascript, 
except in a few places.

Is there some book released on zope/DTML for reference.

There is the ZDP (http://zdp.zope.org), which includes the ZQR (Zope Quick 
Reference) that lists all the tags, but is outdated. We are currently 
working on a model to include a DTML reference into the Zope Online Help 
System. That should appear at the end of the summer in the Zope distributions.

Does this mean a complete rewrite of the code is required of all the
javascript and cgi files , or is there some method to convert them to
DTML.

Yes, you have to convert everything to DTML by hand. If you understand Zope 
well, you will find that you can do many thing easier and shorter in Zope. 
For most everyday tasks you have usually already a product written for you.
I think before converting the entire site you should first learn Zope and 
Python till you feel comfortable and then redesign your site from scratch, 
since Zope's advanced features and object model will allow you to do things 
differently (read: The right way!).

Regards,
Stephan
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RE: [Zope] newbie changingover to zope from html/cgi??

2000-06-17 Thread Richard Folwell

 can i replace javascript with python/DTML. I have used drop down menus in
 the pages using javascript. Is these available in Zope or is there some
 way of using these.

Sorry, I just re-read my posting and realized that I had not been clear on this point. 
 Your
client-side scripting (javascript/whatever) remains the same whether under Zope or 
conventional web
serving.  It is only the server-side scripting that changes.

 Is there some book released on zope/DTML for reference.

Make sure that you have downloaded all of the documentation available on the Zope 
site, and have
read it thoroughly.  Zope is not yet adequately documented (this is not a criticism of 
what has been
done already, which is very good, but a reflection on the size and scope of system, 
which needs much
much more good documentation).  However what is available is sufficient to work with, 
if you are
persistent.

 Does this mean a complete rewrite of the code is required of all the
 javascript and cgi files , or is there some method to convert them to
 DTML.

Javascript, as above.  CGI, you do not say what you are using for your CGI scripting.  
If Perl, then
for the moment you will need to re-write in Python (but that is not too difficult, you 
will have a
valuable learning experience doing it, and your scripts will be more easy to maintain 
in the
future).

There is nothing available to do an automatic conversion of an existing similar site 
(say using PHP)
to Zope, and as you learn about Zope the reason for this will become clear.  (The same 
would be true
for alternatives).

Richard


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Re: [Zope] newbie changingover to zope from html/cgi??

2000-06-17 Thread George Donnelly

you do need zope to be installed on your isp (webhost). not all hosts will
allow it though. you should ask whether they have any policy about
long-running processes.

in order to install you need to download the appropriate version of zope,
ftp it into the appropriate place and then unpack it and there's more.

download zope and then take a good look at the included documentation. it
can be confusing but you'll just have to work thru it. there are also some
how-to's on the zope.org site that can help fill in some of the gaps.

as far as perl goes maybe this will help:
http://www.zope.org/Members/Mamey/PHP

as far as converting your previous site, it will most-likley not be a
one-click thing. it shouldn't be too difficult though. the strcuture and
organization that works well for html/perl stuff is not the optimal one for
zope. in zope you can break stuff down into pieces, like a header footer and
etc and then include them anywhere for example (maybe you are already doing
this with ssi.)

hth


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tried. --Bud Wilkinson

 
 Hi,
 I am newbie to zope(infact installed it yesterday). Just impressed with
 its capabilities. But there are somethings i cant figure out.
 
 I want to transfer a whole website containg javascript/html/cgi on
 zope. how do i do it. is it possible.
 
 Do i need to have zope on the ISP for my zope website to run.
 
 I only have ftp access on my ISP. Which files should i transfer so that
 the zope application works. btw i couldnot locate the files/database on my
 system about the webiste i am building. where is the database for the
 application kept.
 
 I donot know python but do know perl, can i add modules to zope in perl.
 
 Thanks.


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