Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-16 Thread Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)


which publications?
it sounded like  dunno, if there is a publication that dares to
say that, they ARElying.
knight wrote:
> Don't you all Zope mailinglist participants think
that Aitor Grajal owe us all an excuse in the form of a NEW TEST with the
Win32 ZServer running properly?
> ;-)
> Especially to all Linux supporters for the badwill of the emails
title.
>
> I would really be interested in its correct results.
>
> Cheers everyone
Especially with all this press I've seen in publications over the last
month or two regarding Windows 2000 is outperforming *nix. (over my
dead
_dead_ body)
Knight
>
> > > Failed requests: 137
> >
> > No - look at your results. Every request failed on the win32
> > box (and they all succeeded on linux). You have some sort of
> > problem in your windows setup, and you'll always get higher
> > throughput for errors than you can for completed requests...
> >
> >
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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-16 Thread Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)


I feel zserver somewhat dumber on windows 95 than on linux. a p200
machine with windows 95 is considerably slower inrentering pages than a
p166 with linux.

Toby Dickenson wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2000 01:57:40 +0200, "Ansgar W. Konermann"
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>Definitely, yea!
>
>> I would really be interested in its correct results.
We have been stress testing our Zope application on NT and Linux. Our
conclusion is that OS is not a factor in Zope performance.
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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-11 Thread Riku Voipio

On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 01:39:41PM +0100, Toby Dickenson wrote:
 We have been stress testing our Zope application on NT and Linux. Our
 conclusion is that OS is not a factor in Zope performance.

 Its all application-specific, and theres nothing I can release at the
 moment. Essentially the timings were all within a 15% band after a
 little tweaking.

 Personally I don't think this result is at all suprising: In a loaded
 Zope system the processor spends all its time executing the python VM,
 not OS code.

...which takes us to the obvious question - howto make python faster?
Has anyone tried diffrent compiler flags for python etc. to make it 
faster?

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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-09 Thread Toby Dickenson

On Sat, 07 Oct 2000 01:57:40 +0200, "Ansgar W. Konermann"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Definitely, yea!

 I would really be interested in its correct results.

We have been stress testing our Zope application on NT and Linux. Our
conclusion is that OS is not a factor in Zope performance.

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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-09 Thread knight

 On Sat, 07 Oct 2000 01:57:40 +0200, "Ansgar W. Konermann"
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Definitely, yea!
 
  I would really be interested in its correct results.
 
 We have been stress testing our Zope application on NT and Linux. Our
 conclusion is that OS is not a factor in Zope performance.
 
 Toby Dickenson
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Can we see some profiling data from that to support your statement?

Regards,

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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-09 Thread Toby Dickenson

 We have been stress testing our Zope application on NT and Linux. Our
 conclusion is that OS is not a factor in Zope performance.

Can we see some profiling data from that to support your statement?

Its all application-specific, and theres nothing I can release at the
moment. Essentially the timings were all within a 15% band after a
little tweaking.

Personally I don't think this result is at all suprising: In a loaded
Zope system the processor spends all its time executing the python VM,
not OS code.


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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-08 Thread Stephan Goeldi

There's a big difference in the number of requests per second, four times 
more in the Windows machine.
Anyone knows why? Does it mean that Zope running in Windows is better than 
in Linux?

When you think that this is the reality in the web, then yes.

But, if you think of the following scenario:

1 file accessed:
windows very fast
linux normal speed

1 file accessed by 10 peoples at the same time:
windows very fast
linux normal speed

1 file accessed by 100 peoples at the same time:
windows fast
linux normal speed

100 files accessed by 1000 peoples at the same time:
windows, stalled
linux, umm, normal speed

A windows web server is nothing but a bad emulation of a Unix system.

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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-08 Thread Stephan Goeldi

Correct me, if i am wrong, but AFAIK ZServer (coming with Zope)
is multi-threaded by default, whereas Apache/Zope uses PCGI or
FCGI and is *not* multi-treaded.

You can use Apache/Zope without PCGI or FCGI (via ProxyPass) too.
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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-06 Thread Ansgar W. Konermann

Hi all.

Correct me, if i am wrong, but AFAIK ZServer (coming with Zope)
is multi-threaded by default, whereas Apache/Zope uses PCGI or
FCGI and is *not* multi-treaded.

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RE: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-06 Thread Brian Lloyd


 Concurrency Level:  25
 Time taken for tests:   1.807 seconds
 Complete requests:  1000
 Failed requests:137
(Connect: 0, Length: 137, Exceptions: 0)
 Non-2xx responses:  864
 Total transferred:  660974 bytes
 HTML transferred:   473471 bytes
 Requests per second:553.40
 Transfer rate:  365.79 kb/s received
 
 Linux
 
 Concurrency Level:  25
 Time taken for tests:   7.688 seconds
 Complete requests:  1000
 Failed requests:0
 Total transferred:  595000 bytes
 HTML transferred:   396000 bytes
 Requests per second:130.07
 Transfer rate:  77.39 kb/s received
 
 There's a big difference in the number of requests per second, 
 four times more in the  Windows machine. Anyone knows why? Does 
 it mean that Zope running in Windows is better than in Linux?

No - look at your results. Every request failed on the win32
box (and they all succeeded on linux). You have some sort of 
problem in your windows setup, and you'll always get higher
throughput for errors than you can for completed requests...


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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-06 Thread Tom Deprez

Why do you test the one with ZServer and the other with Apache?
If you want correct results you've to test both with ZServer or both with
Zope behind Apache. Not?

Tom.

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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-06 Thread Aitor Grajal Crespo

both of them go through the apache server, cos I have installed a proxy server (the 
reason is that windows is located on a different machine, and the proxy redirects to 
the windows zserver)
thanks.

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Why do you test the one with ZServer and the other with Apache?
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[Zope] Fwd: Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-06 Thread Diego Rodrigo Neufert

Are you using Zope behind apache under Linux? Or it's a direct request to
ZServer? As I can see the files are not the same, try to bench exactly the same
file...


On Fri, 06 Oct 2000, you wrote:
 
 Hi, I have a problem with Zope speed.
 I've done benchmarking in two machines, with the same hardware. (K7 700 MHz, 128 MB, 
20GB HD)
 
 Windows machine : W 2000 Professional with Zope for Windows
 Linux machine : Linux RedHat 6.1, with Apache Server 1.3.12 and Zope 2.2.1
 
 Windows 2000---
 
 Server Hostname:windows
 Server Port:80
 
 Document Path:  /index_html
 Document Length:486 bytes
 
 Concurrency Level:  25
 Time taken for tests:   1.807 seconds
 Complete requests:  1000
 Failed requests:137
(Connect: 0, Length: 137, Exceptions: 0)
 Non-2xx responses:  864
 Total transferred:  660974 bytes
 HTML transferred:   473471 bytes
 Requests per second:553.40
 Transfer rate:  365.79 kb/s received
 
 Connnection Times (ms)
   min   avg   max
 Connect:0 010
 Processing:1142   356
 Total: 1142   366
 
 ---
 Linux---
 
 Server Hostname:linux
 Server Port:8088
 
 Document Path:  /Contactos
 Document Length:396 bytes
 
 Concurrency Level:  25
 Time taken for tests:   7.688 seconds
 Complete requests:  1000
 Failed requests:0
 Total transferred:  595000 bytes
 HTML transferred:   396000 bytes
 Requests per second:130.07
 Transfer rate:  77.39 kb/s received
 
 Connnection Times (ms)
   min   avg   max
 Connect:0 8   224
 Processing:   102   18154
 Total:102   189   278
 
 
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 There's a big difference in the number of requests per second, four times more in 
the Windows machine.
 Anyone knows why? Does it mean that Zope running in Windows is better than in Linux?
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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-06 Thread Peter Bengtsson

Don't you all Zope mailinglist participants think that Aitor Grajal owe us all an 
excuse in the form of a NEW TEST with the Win32 ZServer running properly?
;-)
Especially to all Linux supporters for the badwill of the emails title.

I would really be interested in its correct results.

Cheers everyone

  Failed requests:137
 
 No - look at your results. Every request failed on the win32
 box (and they all succeeded on linux). You have some sort of 
 problem in your windows setup, and you'll always get higher
 throughput for errors than you can for completed requests...
 
 
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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-06 Thread Ansgar W. Konermann

Hi all!

Peter Bengtsson wrote:
 
 Don't you all Zope mailinglist participants think that Aitor Grajal owe us all an 
excuse in the form of a NEW TEST with the Win32 ZServer running properly?

Definitely, yea!

 I would really be interested in its correct results.

Me too. :-)

Cheerio!

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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-06 Thread knight

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Tom Deprez wrote:

 Why do you test the one with ZServer and the other with Apache?
 If you want correct results you've to test both with ZServer or both with
 Zope behind Apache. Not?
 
 Tom.

Exactly, or atleast both ZServer. You can definately attribute some
latency due to the Apache integration... (minimal, but still needs to be
noted!)

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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-06 Thread knight

To get ACCURATE timings, you need to create the situations almost
identical, other than the operating system.

So, that means:

  1) Windows and Linux tunings should be similar; are you running extra
daemons on the Linux box that Windows isn't (smtp, ftp, etc)?
  2) The server architecture should be the same (identical hardware)
  3) The software architecture should be the same; are you running
both Zope and Apache on each machine, or are you spliting these services
up somehow. A server with Apache+Zope, and then another server with just
Zope will NOT match up.

Just keep that in mind...

Knight
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On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Aitor Grajal Crespo wrote:

 both of them go through the apache server, cos I have installed a proxy server (the 
reason is that windows is located on a different machine, and the proxy redirects to 
the windows zserver)
 thanks.
 
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Re: [Zope] Zope in Windows is faster than Linux ???

2000-10-06 Thread knight

 Don't you all Zope mailinglist participants think that Aitor Grajal owe us all an 
excuse in the form of a NEW TEST with the Win32 ZServer running properly?
 ;-)
 Especially to all Linux supporters for the badwill of the emails title.
 
 I would really be interested in its correct results.
 
 Cheers everyone

Especially with all this press I've seen in publications over the last
month or two regarding Windows 2000 is outperforming *nix. (over my dead
_dead_ body)

Knight

 
   Failed requests:137
  
  No - look at your results. Every request failed on the win32
  box (and they all succeeded on linux). You have some sort of 
  problem in your windows setup, and you'll always get higher
  throughput for errors than you can for completed requests...
  
  
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