Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMFTestCase: Best way to create the CMF site?
Exactly! ZopeTestCase (CMFTestCase, PloneTestCase) was designed for testing *applications*. As you say, when I write a CMF application I should be able to assume the CMF below works. In this case a "fat fixture" makes perfect sense (to me). Also, I firmly believe application developers should not need to dig deep into the framework just to be able to write some tests; this was my motivation for starting ZTC in the first place. I am not in the business of shoving CMFTestCase down anybody's throat. CMFCore.tests.base has everything CMF-the-framework needs, and SecurityRequestTest provides basically the same fixture you would get from using ZTC (app object, transaction, request, and security context). Whether tests you write turn out to be unit or integration tests does not depend on the test framework, IMO. It depends on where you draw the line in the stack. Stefan On 6. Okt 2005, at 17:47, Tres Seaver wrote: I do not believe that "trusting the stack" makes senses when trying to test a component of the stack. If you are writing tests for an application (or higher layer) which *uses* the stack, then you can safely trust it. For instance, I'm willing to use OFS.SimpleItem and OFS.Folder when building out a test jig, because they belong to a lower layer of the stack, and have their own tests. -- Anything that happens, happens. --Douglas Adams ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMFTestCase: Best way to create the CMF site?
OK, so I misunderstood the actual problem Paul was reporting... Can someone explain it for a stupid person like me? ;-) Chris Stefan H. Holek wrote: Oh, setupCMFSite is sufficiently clever, it's the CMF tests that aren't ;-) Stefan On 5. Okt 2005, at 10:45, Chris Withers wrote: Stefan H. Holek wrote: I see two options: a) Use a different portal name portal_name = 'mysite' CMFTestCase.setupCMFSite(portal_name) Can setupCMFSite not do something more clever if it finds the object already there? -- Anything that happens, happens. --Douglas Adams -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMFTestCase: Best way to create the CMF site?
Lennart Regebro said: > On 10/5/05, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Stefan H. Holek wrote: >> > I see two options: >> > >> > a) Use a different portal name >> > >> > portal_name = 'mysite' >> > CMFTestCase.setupCMFSite(portal_name) >> >> Can setupCMFSite not do something more clever if it finds the object >> already there? It simply doesn't do anything in that case. >> > b) Use getPortal() to create a new portal per test >> > >> > def getPortal(self): >> > manage_addCMFSite(self.app, portal_name) >> > return getattr(self.app, portal_name) >> >> hahaha, and watch your tests take hours to run ;-) Maybe that way, but setupCMFSite() is pretty quick. > Any test including PortalTestCase should really not be seen as a unit > test, but a fucntional test. ;) Regardless of which, we still need to run it :) > If we could put in some effort of > making a minimal dymmy-portal that can be deleted and recreated very > quickly, then that would be very interesting. I would assume that that > involved a lot of work though... CMFTestCase's setupCMFSite() is already pretty quick. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMFTestCase: Best way to create the CMF site?
Oh, setupCMFSite is sufficiently clever, it's the CMF tests that aren't ;-) Stefan On 5. Okt 2005, at 10:45, Chris Withers wrote: Stefan H. Holek wrote: I see two options: a) Use a different portal name portal_name = 'mysite' CMFTestCase.setupCMFSite(portal_name) Can setupCMFSite not do something more clever if it finds the object already there? -- Anything that happens, happens. --Douglas Adams ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMFTestCase: Best way to create the CMF site?
On 10/5/05, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stefan H. Holek wrote: > > I see two options: > > > > a) Use a different portal name > > > > portal_name = 'mysite' > > CMFTestCase.setupCMFSite(portal_name) > > Can setupCMFSite not do something more clever if it finds the object > already there? > > > b) Use getPortal() to create a new portal per test > > > > def getPortal(self): > > manage_addCMFSite(self.app, portal_name) > > return getattr(self.app, portal_name) > > hahaha, and watch your tests take hours to run ;-) > > Chris Any test including PortalTestCase should really not be seen as a unit test, but a fucntional test. ;) If we could put in some effort of making a minimal dymmy-portal that can be deleted and recreated very quickly, then that would be very interesting. I would assume that that involved a lot of work though... -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: CMFTestCase: Best way to create the CMF site?
Stefan H. Holek wrote: I see two options: a) Use a different portal name portal_name = 'mysite' CMFTestCase.setupCMFSite(portal_name) Can setupCMFSite not do something more clever if it finds the object already there? b) Use getPortal() to create a new portal per test def getPortal(self): manage_addCMFSite(self.app, portal_name) return getattr(self.app, portal_name) hahaha, and watch your tests take hours to run ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-CMF maillist - Zope-CMF@lists.zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-cmf See http://collector.zope.org/CMF for bug reports and feature requests
