Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Robert Rottermann
Friends,first thing I want is to express my huge gratitude to have something like Zope and its community.I have read all the all the mail that has been stirred by "that" open letter.I agree very much and I am willing to contribute as much as I can that zope should grow 10x.I found two

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Paul Everitt
Agreed completely on both of those points. There's double good news on both: 1) Someone plans to do something about it. 2) Both are with community involvement. On documentation, someone in the community has committed to taking over the Documentation page on zope.org and finally organizing

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Hi! This is a totally different business model than the one Zope Corp. is using right now, but it might help refinancing the overhead a good community needs to have ... Would it have to be done by ZC? No, of course not. And there could be more than one of course (though we'd need a

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Joachim Werner
The second is pretty exciting as well. I saw a presentation in Paris by Juan David Palomar, of Localizer fame. (The presentation is now up at http://estce.act.uji.es:9673/localizer). The presentation impressed me on the need to get someone into the core of Zope that knows all these

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Andreas Jung
- Original Message - From: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Everitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 08:22 Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev The second is pretty exciting as well. I

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Joachim Werner
Of course there are hot spots. I have asked multiple times for help on the mailing lists and the Eurozope site to identify such related hot spots. Also I had expect some input of the community regarding at unicode support inside Zope. But there has been no feedback. It looks like no one

core i18n support (was [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev)

2001-12-01 Thread Robert Rottermann
Andreas, sorry if I have not reacted to a questions for assistance in the realm of i18n. I must have missed them. I rarely go to EuroZope since this site seems badly maintained. However I really would like to help with the internationalization of Zope since most of what we do here a my company

[Zope-dev] FileStorage index size optimizaion (Re: FileStorage patch)

2001-12-01 Thread Jim Fulton
Thanks Chris, Important note: To get the benefit of this, you have to remove your old index. FileStorage uses an index object that it pickles to it's index file when you save the index (normal shutdown or pack). If FileStorage reads the old index from the index file, the index will have the old

[Zope-dev] Regarding translation of Zope

2001-12-01 Thread Lennart Regebro
I've been trying to get updated and maybe even involved in the efforts take make Zope translatable, but failed. Are there such an effort going on seriously or have it died? The ZIP list is totally dead at least... I have some knowledge about the area since earlier work with creating easily

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Clark O'Brien
If anyone has seen how open source works, there is usually a strong core team - like the ZC folks- who provide direction to the project. There are also dozens if not hundreds of enthusiastic folks who are less involved but contribute features, patches, bug fixes, documentation ... Despite the

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zip] Regarding translation of Zope

2001-12-01 Thread Dirk Datzert
Hello Lennart, there are currently 2 prjects for zip: localizer and ZBabel. I prefer ZBabel for I18N . Currently a ZBabelMaster-Tower is being build with all necessary phrases of Zope, CMF and a lot of products. Regards Dirk Lennart Regebro schrieb: I've been trying to get updated and maybe

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Robert Rottermann
Clark, where is the problem?? Yes ZC ties to make money out of Zope. And I hope they are successful. Don't you know that only those that have can give? If ZC does not make the money to cover their cost how can they give us Zope?? Open source is not only for fun. Also to make money! Robert

[Zope-dev] Scrollbar off the page in manage_workspace

2001-12-01 Thread Walter Miller
Both in 2.4.3 and 2.5.0 b1, the scrollbar seems to be off the end of the page and the Wider and Narrower buttons don't work. For example, in 2.5.0 b1, editing http://localhost/index_html in the browser seems to work fine but the http://localhost/standard_template.pt doesn't. I'm using IE 6.0

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Bill Anderson
On Sat, 2001-12-01 at 06:02, Joachim Werner wrote: Hi! This is a totally different business model than the one Zope Corp. is using right now, but it might help refinancing the overhead a good community needs to have ... Would it have to be done by ZC? No, of course not.

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letter to zope-dev

2001-12-01 Thread Chris Withers
Clark O'Brien wrote: In my humble opinion if the open source process had been allowed to progress unfettered by corporate greed Zope would even now have a state of maturity that it is not likely to reach even in 10 years of development at the current rate. Oh go back to your troll hole

[Zope-dev] Open letters, hijacking and the like

2001-12-01 Thread Danny William Adair
Hi! Wow, this is the first time I have more zope-dev mails in my inbox than from the main list (and I'm very happy that all this stays on one list). What I have seen from ZC up til now seems like they disclose practically everything but their client base, ok and maybe plans for a commercial

[Zope-dev] Zope expansion to 10x

2001-12-01 Thread Richard Volpato
It's ambitious as it is sensible -- to have Zope use expand tenfold. But a 10x zope base needs to be clearly defined. It impacts on markets, architecture and community. Talk about moving from a cathedral to a bazaar is confusing (despite Raymond pitching it). A Tenfold (10x) expansion can

[Zope-dev] Fully Zope-based Mailman Version

2001-12-01 Thread Stephan Richter
Hello everyone, I just had a look into Mailman again. The API seems to be very clear, even though I could not find any UML diagrams anywhere. However I found out that porting Mailman to Zope (as a Python Product) might be a very simple task. Due to the nature of the project, the