Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3

2001-12-04 Thread Martijn Pieters
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 10:37:55PM +0900, Joseph Wayne Norton wrote: p.s. It is my own personal taste but I don't really care for the tkgui interface for running the zope test suite. Any possibilites of making the test suite run in a fashion similar to the python installation test suite?

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3

2001-12-04 Thread Shane Hathaway
Andy Dawkins wrote: Zope 3X requires Python 2.2b2. Are you sure you mean Python2.2b2? I tried this but seem to get problems with the pyexpat module. Would a different version do, Or have you solved any problems with the pyexpat module in 2.2.b2? Make sure you have expat, including

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3

2001-12-04 Thread Andy Dawkins
YAY *There was much rejoicing* Thanks Shane, once again you have solved my problems. -Andy Shane Hathaway wrote: Andy Dawkins wrote: Zope 3X requires Python 2.2b2. Are you sure you mean Python2.2b2? I tried this but seem to get problems with the pyexpat module. Would a

Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Matt Hamilton wrote: if index1 is in SQL and index2 is in ZODB, for example, how would you go about efficiently combining results? Is there not a set datatype in python that could be used? There is, but what would happen if index1 returned 25,000 results and index2 returned 250 and you

Re: [Zope-dev] Sets

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Chris McDonough wrote: There are also set objects like OOSets and IISets that can be used in intersection and union operations as documented in the BTrees module. I never understood the documentation :-( What's the difference between an OOSet and and IISet? (I think i know the answer to

Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB

2001-12-04 Thread Matt Hamilton
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Chris Withers wrote: (it can do boolean searches too, but the book is mainly about ranking). Please god tell me they cover phrase matching :-S No they don't really (if I remember right). I think they do talk about storing the position of the word in the document, so

Re: [Zope-dev] Sets

2001-12-04 Thread Chris McDonough
AFAIK, OOSet is a set of objects and IISet is a set of integers. That's the simplest usage of them. Anything beyond that you'll need to experiment. - Original Message - From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Matt Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED];

[Zope-dev] CM(S/F), ZODB, M$, Indexing

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Joachim Werner wrote: Zope 2.x, together with the CMF, was sold bei DC/ZC as a content management product, No it wasn't, it was sold as a Content Management Framework, ie one of these: It is a good start for building one, Zope is a nearly perfect document storage, except for its server

[Zope-dev] Funding, SourceForge

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Joachim Werner wrote: My experience from EuroZope is that we would desperately need some paid community workers. The Zope community seems to be much more professional than others, which means that there are not enough people with too much free time to run the infrastructure. Most of us

[Zope-dev] #zope, beer, etc ;-)

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Paul Everitt wrote: Chris was just drinking a beer with us at Orbit's twenty minutes ago, and now he's responding to email on a Friday night. That's just sick. No, sick was the conversation that happened on #zope from 2am-4am UK time when what felt like half of ZC showed up (most having

[Zope-dev] PythonScript

2001-12-04 Thread Dirk Datzert
Hi, I have following trivial problem: A DTML-Mthode calls a PythonScript suchThemen with Argumen themen like this dtml-in suchThemen(themen) dtml-var themas /dtml-in The PythonScript should return values and I want to display in the dtml-in-loop the result variable themas. Question:

[Zope-dev] *bang*

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Matt Hamilton wrote: No they don't really (if I remember right). I think they do talk about storing the position of the word in the document, so that could help. I need to dig the book out, I looked at it about 18 months ago. *puts gun to head* Chris

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3

2001-12-04 Thread Jeffrey P Shell
On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 06:37 AM, Joseph Wayne Norton wrote: [SNIP[ p.s. It is my own personal taste but I don't really care for the tkgui interface for running the zope test suite. Any possibilites of making the test suite run in a fashion similar to the python installation test

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: fishing for dinosaurs...

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Stephan Richter wrote: Well, I want to demonstrate that Zope can do it. I will not have the patience to make a nice interface on top of it (unless I get paid for it), but at least tight Mailman and CVS integration are awesome examples of the capabilities of Zope. Hmm, on the Right vs Happy

[Zope-dev] Roundup?

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Richard Jones wrote: plug http://roundup.sf.net/ ... is in heavy development, but is also being used right now. /plug Well, it's written in Python, so probably a good candidate. Could it be integrated into Zope? cheers, Chris ___

Re: [Zope-dev] Open letters, hijacking and the like

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Lennart Regebro wrote: He is wrong. Open your mind, 'dude'... I did _not_ inhale ;-) Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists -

RE: [Zope-dev] Funding, SourceForge

2001-12-04 Thread Trevor Toenjes
I am confused? is this a zope-dev or zope-web topic? Is the goal to provide this for new.zope.org to share with the community via XML-RPC and release as a Zope product? Either way we need a component architecture plus identifying all the existing product snippets or objects that could be used.

Re: [Zope-dev] my comments on i18n

2001-12-04 Thread Juan David Ibáñez Palomar
Joachim Werner wrote: Hi! Just a very short comment: As Paul said in the Paris meeting and as Joachim W. has stated in a previous mail, one thing we can work on is in a common way to get translations from message catalogs, from Python code and DTML and ZPT templates. exactly Don't matters

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Shane Hathaway wrote: BTW another correction: it turns out we will be implementing some DTML in Zope 3X. acckkk... why? Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML

[Zope-dev] ZPT Plain Text

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Phillip J. Eby wrote: I personally would like to see ZPT support plain text at some point, and it already has some of the things necessary to do it. But that's a separate issue from Zope 3X or Zope 3 itself. It already can: dummy tal:omit-tag= tal:content=mymethod Some dummy text

Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Martijn Faassen wrote: So what am I trying to get at with this mail? One thing is that the process is too heavy-weight right now. The other thing is that the core coders at Zope Corp snip are the only ones that can get around the fishbowl if they so desire. Here! Here! Chris

Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Chris McDonough wrote: I actually think that with Zope3 in progress, it's a great time to completely and formally hand off bits and pieces of Zope2 ownership to folks within ZC and without. Hang on, surely you mean Zope3 there? What's the point of handing off responsibility for what is

Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process

2001-12-04 Thread Chris McDonough
No I mean Zope2. That's not in exclusion of handing off bits of Zope3, but Zope2 is still the current stable release and as such isn't dead code. Huge parts of Zope3 are in flux at the moment, and though folks are more than encouraged to contribute, it's not for the faint of heart. Zope2 is

Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process

2001-12-04 Thread Chris McDonough
The other thing is that the core coders at Zope Corp snip are the only ones that can get around the fishbowl if they so desire. Here! Here! Not really. I couldn't, at least. - C ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff!

2001-12-04 Thread Martijn Faassen
Phillip J. Eby wrote: P.S. Speaking of naming, I still dislike feature as a term for interface implementations; various suggestions available on the Feature page of the ComponentArchitecture Wiki. :) I agree. I still much prefer 'adaptor' and I don't buy the 'adaptors sound too much like

RE: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3

2001-12-04 Thread Brian Lloyd
BTW another correction: it turns out we will be implementing some DTML in Zope 3X. acckkk... why? Because it still has legitimate uses (try formatting a MIME-multipart email message with ZPT...). The beauty of Z3, though, is that you should have much more flexibility in what you choose

Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB

2001-12-04 Thread Casey Duncan
Can you all recommend any other books on information retrieval? I was looking at Amazon last night, and I found a few that looked interesting, I'm just the type of guy that has to leaf through before I buy the damn thing. I guess I just need to find a good tech book store around here... I think

Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB

2001-12-04 Thread Casey Duncan
Chris, hows about adding me to this project, my s'forge username is cduncan. Thanks. -Casey --- Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Hamilton wrote: if index1 is in SQL and index2 is in ZODB, for example, how would you go about efficiently combining results? Is there not

[Zope-dev] Searching

2001-12-04 Thread Dirk Datzert
Hi, I'm looking for a search tool which can do semantic/synonym search. Can this be done via ZCatalog ? Regards Dirk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding!

Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB

2001-12-04 Thread Matt Hamilton
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Casey Duncan wrote: Can you all recommend any other books on information retrieval? I was looking at Amazon last night, and I found a few that looked interesting, I'm just the type of guy that has to leaf through before I buy the damn thing. I guess I just need to find a

SV: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3

2001-12-04 Thread Magnus Heino
The beauty of Z3, though, is that you should have much more flexibility in what you choose to use. Don't like DTML? Don't use it. Really hate Thats really not the problem imho. The problem is that some products will use DTMLFile and standard_html_header/footer, and that is a real mess...

Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process

2001-12-04 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris McDonough wrote: The other thing is that the core coders at Zope Corp snip are the only ones that can get around the fishbowl if they so desire. Here! Here! Not really. I couldn't, at least. You guys can use the fishbowl as what is in effect an announcement service. I'm

Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process

2001-12-04 Thread Chris McDonough
There really is a lot more work that goes into the stuff in the fishbowl from the folks at ZC than just an announcement. That said, I agree that a ZC proposal driven by a consulting project will more likely end up in the core than anything else, so I think I understand what you're saying. The

Re: [Zope-dev] Roundup?

2001-12-04 Thread Richard Jones
On Wednesday 05 December 2001 04:01, Chris Withers wrote: Richard Jones wrote: plug http://roundup.sf.net/ ... is in heavy development, but is also being used right now. /plug Well, it's written in Python, so probably a good candidate. Could it be integrated into Zope?

[Zope-dev] Searching

2001-12-04 Thread Dirk Datzert
Hi, is there anybody how knows a product which combines the open-source search-engine htdig with zope ? Dirk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! **

Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Chris McDonough wrote: One of the remediations has been to extend CVS commit privileges to Completely agree with everything you say, but what's wrong wit hthe word 'remedies'? ;-) Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Casey Duncan wrote: I think my first real proposal of any significance will be to replace the catalog with a truely industrial strength indexing bohemoth, that can be plugged into this whole component arch. thingamawhammy. *cough* --- http://sourceforge.net/projects/pythonindexer Care

Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Casey Duncan wrote: Chris, hows about adding me to this project, my s'forge username is cduncan. done... lemme know if ya need anything else :-) Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev **

Re: [Zope-dev] Roundup?

2001-12-04 Thread Chris Withers
Richard Jones wrote: Roundup has complete flexibility in the front and back ends. Sounds cool :-) I'd go and persuade the Iuveno guys now, since they seem to have lots of energy right now... cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.3 and MySQL problems

2001-12-04 Thread Matthew T. Kromer
Radu Buzea wrote: I have a problem with a Zope 2.3.0 (source release, Python 1.5.2 [GCC 2.96 2731 (experimental)]) on Linux and MySQL. I'm using ZMySQLDA to connect to a MySQL database. I use a single database table (witch has over 3500 records right now). There are over 1000 records posted

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3

2001-12-04 Thread Matt Behrens
Shane Hathaway wrote: Q: Will Zope 3X be compatible with Zope 2 products? A: No. What's up with the ZopeLegacy stuff in the co I'm getting now? Yes I am grabbing the branch... To check out Zope 3X from CVS: cvs -d :pserver:cvs.zope.org:/cvs-repository co -r Zope-3x-branch Zope3

Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3

2001-12-04 Thread Paul Everitt
Matt Behrens wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: Again, this is all quite exciting and I hope you can join the action. I hope to. Who's in charge of packaging and installation? I see an opportunity to do it right this time, I hope I'm not too late to the party. I think this is an excellent

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff!

2001-12-04 Thread Bill Anderson
On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 11:38, Chris Withers wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: If people agree, I will go through the Zope 3 CVS and change all references from Feature to Adaptor. :) +1 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff!

2001-12-04 Thread Andreas Jung
- Original Message - From: Bill Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 18:30 Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff! On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 11:38, Chris Withers wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: If people

Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process

2001-12-04 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris McDonough wrote: There really is a lot more work that goes into the stuff in the fishbowl from the folks at ZC than just an announcement Exactly. But in the end, if nobody responds except internally at ZC, and you implement it, the fishbowl stuff is kind of an announcement, right? And

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT Plain Text

2001-12-04 Thread Martijn Faassen
Chris Withers wrote: Phillip J. Eby wrote: I personally would like to see ZPT support plain text at some point, and it already has some of the things necessary to do it. But that's a separate issue from Zope 3X or Zope 3 itself. It already can: dummy tal:omit-tag=

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff!

2001-12-04 Thread Martijn Faassen
Andreas Jung wrote: [snip] On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 11:38, Chris Withers wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: If people agree, I will go through the Zope 3 CVS and change all references from Feature to Adaptor. :) Please try to avoid crossposts over zope-dev and zope3-dev. Apologies.

Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff!

2001-12-04 Thread Andreas Jung
- Original Message - From: Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bill Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 19:29 Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff! Andreas Jung wrote: [snip] On Tue,

Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT Plain Text

2001-12-04 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 05:58 PM 12/4/01 +, Chris Withers wrote: Phillip J. Eby wrote: I personally would like to see ZPT support plain text at some point, and it already has some of the things necessary to do it. But that's a separate issue from Zope 3X or Zope 3 itself. It already can: [example

Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB

2001-12-04 Thread Wolfram Kerber
Could you explain the problems that should be solved by this a little? I find it rather hard to contribute anything useful without knowing some concrete examples ... Btw, i have a prototype Catalog that speeds up things a bit in usual scenarios. It is cacheable, implements an extended query